Reporting fradulent submissions that were cancelled to try to hide the fraud

Wow. Guess he didn't catch the memo where cancelled submissions are archived.

There was a Track & Field MAME submission today which was fraudulent that was subsequently cancelled

I have to ask. IF a submission was cancelled, can it be adjudicated on in any way, shape or form, AS per what George is doing?

IF yes...eg..ban him for cheating? Can other cancelled submissions be challenged/adjudicated on?
@Jace Hall


john

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Yes, by way of a cancelled vote. If you already voted on it just make sure it's no which I would imagine you've already done unless someone cancels maybe a duplicate sub. And you will get a notif so John, check your notifs.

Basically, I agree with John. The dude is trying I believe to get banned. and, it's not fair to Barthax and Terencew.

Also, these submissions that are cancelled, will NOT ever get into the database, is what was stated.

As Hunky Dory as that sounds, I'm going to start a thread about priorities and #1 should be about fixing scoreboard errors and track errors.

Also, these submissions that are cancelled, will NOT ever get into the database, is what was stated.

SO...is that thread a non issue then? ie...it NEVER happened? What George said is irrelevant; That's my question!

john

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SO...is that thread a non issue then? ie...it NEVER happened? What George said is irrelevant; That's my question!

john

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It's basically this. If you placed a vote on a cancelled sub. You will receive a notification that it was cancelled. Then, just make sure you voted no after you receive the notification. Assuming you already did.The submission is contained in the cancel section.

What George said is relevant because it basically means keep your eye on this players submissions.

I think you should as an adjudicator always consider all factors. There was a questionable submission by the player in question. Yes, John, consider everything you observe.

If you didn't vote on it before cancellation then yes, don't worry about the vote. BUT, with all conspicuous submissions I would think you would consider future submissions by the user.

He is cancelling his other submissions now (trying to). Not sure if that's classed as a rebuttal or an admission.

He is cancelling his other submissions now (trying to). Not sure if that's classed as a rebuttal or an admission.

Probably just hit self-destruct as far as TG goes.

Managed to get a special restriction outside of a tribunal by the admins and still comes back to instant turd-dom.

I consider cheating to occur as soon as that submit button is pressed. Doesn't matter what happens after. If it was a joke, a test, or whatever else. He should be dealt with accordingly like he apparently wants so bad. A nice showing of how cancelling works and doesn't circumvent cheating with an attentive adjudication community.

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthre...l=1#post798139

Managed to get a special restriction outside of a tribunal by the admins and still comes back to instant turd-dom.

I consider cheating to occur as soon as that submit button is pressed. Doesn't matter what happens after. If it was a joke, a test, or whatever else. He should be dealt with accordingly like he apparently wants so bad. A nice showing of how cancelling works and doesn't circumvent cheating with an attentive adjudication community.

Exactly, as soon as he submitted the score, it doesn't matter if its accepted/rejected/canceled - it was submitted in good faith as a legit performance and it obviously wasn't, given what Hector noticed right away.

How much more time are people going to waste dealing with his submissions he's making?

Also, these submissions that are cancelled, will NOT ever get into the database, is what was stated.

In the future, can a cancelled submission be challenged is what I was asking?
Maybe I wasn't clear .


john

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@Aieoiue any word from you?

Much rather would hear from admins on this. This sort of thing needs a prompt response. Not a word though.

I made a video comparing the submitted T&F video and INP. The important thing to watch is the bottom left, in the MAME window, where it shows the inputs (the flashing 1, 2, and 3). Because of the difficulties in syncing live video and MAME replays, the two eventually desync by about 0.37 seconds after the hurdles...but it's clear from the outset that the original video was not a recording of live play.

I also have my suspicions that the INP might not have been recorded by the player. The PC specs from the "wlfview" utility do not match the two most common specs seen in submissions by this player. That doesn't necessarily mean anything (people get new computers and use different PCs for different things), but considering the history of this player it raises a red flag for me.

The fake submission video is an attempt to falsify evidence and, in my opinion, is worth a perma-ban...regardless of it being canceled.

I made a video comparing the submitted T&F video and INP.

The fake submission video is an attempt to falsify evidence and, in my opinion, is worth a perma-ban...regardless of it being canceled.

Thanks for posting this video xelnia! If you're watching the video the easiest places to watch for discrepancies is places where the INP file shows that inputs are occurring (so you see 1's 2's or 3's showing at the bottom of the MAME replay window) but the control panel video doesn't show an input occurring, or vice versa. There are numerous very clear places this occurs.

I also agree with xelnia that this was cheating and the fact the submission was canceled doesn't change the fact it was cheating. If you were playing in a sporting event and cheated, then withdrew after the cheating was noticed, you would still be penalized for the cheating. My reason for starting this thread was to both highlight the cheating in this case to the rest of the TG community since comments on the submission thread were locked and to bring this case to the attention of TG staff.

The main TG info page at https://www.twingalaxies.com/help.php states "While Twin Galaxies will always be as fair and as even-handed as possible in areas of policy violation, there are some things that will not be tolerated and if a user is found to be taking part in any of the activities below, they will be banned from participating in the Twin Galaxies Submission and Adjudication Process for life: Deliberate cheating of any kind".

I have to ask. IF a submission was cancelled, can it be adjudicated on in any way, shape or form, AS per what George is doing?

IF yes...eg..ban him for cheating? Can other cancelled submissions be challenged/adjudicated on?
@Jace Hall


john

No if it is canceled, it can not be 'additionally' adjudicated in that thread. However the submission still exists for reference in the cancellation area.

I've been observing this thread and see no need for admin intervention. The community has all the tools, experience and decision making power it needs to contemplate this situation and take action via tribunal if needed or not.