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12-06-2017 at 07:43 AM
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Dragster and a taste of things to come...

From the looks of it Todd Rogers will be on the Ben Heck show. He is going great lengths to show the world 5.51 is possible.

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  1. CWK's Avatar
    What about the scores that are not possible? Maybe we should we just forget they exist....
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  2. Marcade's Avatar
    This could be fun and interesting. The Hollywood DRAGumentary story continues...

    However, I thought the original intention of Ben's modding and testing was to see if a 5.51 was simply possible on its own program, not to have Todd actually test out Ben's system.

    Jumping the gun here, but is this 2600 with the Dragster cart - an original system and cart?
    Otherwise, anyone who achieves a 5.61 on a regular basis, might be able to pull it off, with this specific setup (just the same) in due time as well.

    APPLES TO APPLES.
    ORANGES TO ORANGES.
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    Updated 12-06-2017 at 08:04 AM by Marcade
  3. Snowflake's Avatar
    I thnk its good todd is invovled. If he proves 5.51 is possible, well proof is proof. If ben still cant find a 5.51 even with todd's help though that says alot against it. I think this helps the validity either way
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  4. CWK's Avatar
    yes I see it looks like the atari was modded for composite video. That's a reject, no?
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  5. Marcade's Avatar
    And from watching Ben's first video segment of testing, there were times of impossible "hundredths" , that the program was performing, as only a 1, 4 and a 7 were only possible under normal conditions. Ben was not getting those 1,4, and 7's...CORRECT?
  6. Snowflake's Avatar
    well yes, we would need to consider the test equipment itself may alter results. thing is though, anything that can be done on the test system should be able to be reprouced on another system. if all we see if the final 1 second of him getting a 5.51 i expect a lot fo complaints if howeve we see the whole thing including hands and inputs we'll be able to know if its a hacked rom or not when we try the same inputs on standard roms
  7. Marcade's Avatar
    THIS is where I become a skeptic!
    THIS is not normal conditions...
    @19:30



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    I really hope Todd pulls it off and destroys all the haters out there!
  9. bensweeneyonbass's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by CWK
    yes I see it looks like the atari was modded for composite video. That's a reject, no?
    I am looking now but I do NOT think modding the output is an autoreject. Just a hunch. I'll try to find some evidence today.

    EDIT: If you were joking, uh, then I am too. *phew*
  10. Snowflake's Avatar
    also, i feel this has been very helpful in informing me of my internal bias.
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  11. francoisadt's Avatar
    Hi I do not agree having Todd play on with an assistant system from Ben. Then it is NOT how real conditions exist. Normally you are not allowed to have ANY form of assistance when playing games for records purposes.

    This should not be allowed at all becuase now Todd can check the permutations and outcome on code level to adjust his pattern of play to produce gameplay that were not humanly analytically possible without having the interpreter of Ben on the side.

    Todd should play without any assistance because that what the essence of his claim is!!!!!!

    Sorry but TG contradict there own terms here...

    Let Todd play without any assistant system or any screen next to atari 2600 but a disconnected dedicated atari 2600 with only a single console screen without Ben's system attached to it.
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  12. francoisadt's Avatar
    Please note: The essence is that if Todd can produce 5.51 not a system or a robot. It is a huge difference. He need to defend his score by put his deeds where his mouth is, by playing now directly without assistance. Otherwise this is just another marketing fluff cleverly used by Todd and also sorry to mention Jace,...indirectly TG.
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  13. datagod's Avatar
    Anyone can play with assistance in order to practice and hone their skills. People use M.A.M.E. for that very reason.

    A world record attempt would need to be made on a regular setup though.
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  14. timhett's Avatar
    Francois - no need to check the permutations of the code, Omnigamer already did that.

    "He is going great lengths to show the world 5.51 is possible."
    I disagree. Him playing on video, live stream attempts, submit a 5.57, 5.54, or 5.51 and that would be "great lengths." Standing there smugly refusing to play the game is nothing.

    This is more slush while we wait for real answers.
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  15. The Evener's Avatar
    It's not about haters (if it were only that simple), it's about code and more recently submitting questionable supporting evidence.

    What's the source of the photo, Hector? I think this was a photo op - doesn't make sense for Todd to hang around while Ben examines the outputs of the RAM analyzer (if it isn't already done).
  16. The Evener's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcade
    THIS is where I become a skeptic!
    THIS is not normal conditions...
    @19:30



    The system can generate x.x8 if your time is "slow" enough. Snowflake pointed this out in the Dragster dispute review (eg. If you let the time max, you'll get a 99.99)
  17. Marcade's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by datagod
    Anyone can play with assistance in order to practice and hone their skills. People use M.A.M.E. for that very reason.

    A world record attempt would need to be made on a regular setup though.
    True, NOR would it settle the dispute, a 5.51 in this case.
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  18. francoisadt's Avatar
    Hi datagod, no, please I refer to actually play the game. According TG rules we are not even with MAME have assistance when recording games. For Todd to proof the score is possible, my view is that that would be the same as a live recorded performance, not speculating doing analytics.

    So if Todd playing with assistance and let's say he do get a 5.54 or 5.51 he is not proofing anything. That is my point. The only proof would be to play without assistance "by doing it".

    What I feel is Todd can only really proof humanly it is possible by playing the game without assistance. This is not the same as just inspecting the game and then use analytical results to proof your gameplay could have come close to be possible.
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  19. jjt_defender's Avatar
    You Still have Many Video Games That Todd Rogers that are in Question and some Video Games that have been Flat out Proven to be a Lie not True.

    It is Proven Fact that Todd Rogers has Unrealistic, Exaggerated 999,999,990,999999 & Impossible Made Up Scores & Times he made it up to be First Place WR when he was a Twin Galaxy Referee on Video Games Particularly Atari 2600 Video Games that have Clearly Been Proven Wrong & not Possible or Took Far Less Time to Finish by Sampson, Greg, AL, Roger, Snowflake, Rudy who are Clear Proven Master Expert Players on Atari 2600 Video Games
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    Updated 12-06-2017 at 09:06 AM by jjt_defender
  20. GibGirl's Avatar
    He is going great lengths to show the world 5.51 is possible.
    ...except the part that involves producing a video showing the score being achieved.
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