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12-06-2017 at 07:43 AM
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Dragster and a taste of things to come...

From the looks of it Todd Rogers will be on the Ben Heck show. He is going great lengths to show the world 5.51 is possible.

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  1. CONSOLEPLAYEROFTHECENTURY's Avatar
    I bet 999999999-1 he won't even get 5.57
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  2. hanasu's Avatar
    Putting aside any drama, as well as even ignoring the technical feasibility of getting a 5.51 - why is the person whose record is being investigated by an impartial third party allowed to have any contact with that third party whatsoever? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here.
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  3. datagod's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by hanasu
    Putting aside any drama, as well as even ignoring the technical feasibility of getting a 5.51 - why is the person whose record is being investigated by an impartial third party allowed to have any contact with that third party whatsoever? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here.
    It has been brought up before that programming a machine to try out every possible combination would take so long we would all be dead by the time it completes.

    My guess is that Todd may be able to steer Ben in the right direction by sharing his technique: Do this, then that, then time it right and to that! One if 3,000 tries will get it. (as an example)

    This will allow Ben to get the machine to do the same technique and hopefully we will both see it get 5.51 and also figure out WHY that score happened.

    As for investigators not being able to talk to key witnesses, that does't really make sense.
  4. Omnigamer's Avatar
    As for investigators not being able to talk to key witnesses, that does't really make sense.


    You've got dozens of investigators still waiting for the man to make a statement or discuss methods.
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  5. Max's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Omnigamer
    You've got dozens of investigators still waiting for the man to make a statement or discuss methods.[/FONT][/COLOR]
    None of those investigators paid for travel expenses...

    johnny de alba: you indicated that "they" paid for his flight. Who is "they" and where did you get this information?
  6. hanasu's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by datagod
    It has been brought up before that programming a machine to try out every possible combination would take so long we would all be dead by the time it completes.
    I agree. Surely this is not how the testing is being performed. Anyone skilled enough to build the test rig that has been demonstrated is also skilled enough to read the disassembled code and attack the most promising methods contained therein.

    My guess is that Todd may be able to steer Ben in the right direction by sharing his technique: Do this, then that, then time it right and to that! One if 3,000 tries will get it. (as an example)
    What I would say to that is - why not simply share this information as part of the dispute thread? Crowdsourcing the method among the tens if not hundreds of people that have started playing Dragster since the thread would surely eventually have borne a 5.51 out if it were possible before this whole contraption needed to be built. There have been numerous 5.57s already quickly performed since the strategy was publicized. I have no doubt the same would happen for 5.51.

    This will allow Ben to get the machine to do the same technique and hopefully we will both see it get 5.51 and also figure out WHY that score happened.
    This is what I don't understand. The technique, or secret, or whatever you want to call it is going to be published as part of Ben Heck's findings if 5.51 is possible. Why not just spill the beans directly?

    As for investigators not being able to talk to key witnesses, that does't really make sense.
    I get where you're coming from. But the 'witness' in question is already 'refusing to take the stand' in the court of the dispute thread. Outside of the public courtroom or recorded deposition, contact between a lawyer and a witness is allowable, but should not involve leading or tampering with them.

    Ben will do a thorough job on his own, but indulge me for a second - what if Todd (like he has done in the past when pressed about how 5.51 is possible) is giving Ben instructions that are a misdirection? What if as a result of these instructions Ben concludes erroneously that a certain line of thinking is not fruitful, when had he kept on that path on his own might have reached the desired result? Perhaps 5.51 is indeed possible, and Todd simply does not wish to ever allow another gamer to achieve it, and instead is hoping that the record will be allowed to stand regardless due to inconclusive evidence and his own 'brand power?'

    I'm sure you'll agree with me that these situations are a bit contrived or farfetched. But I guarantee you no one would even be thinking about similar possibilities before this picture surfaced. Allowing even the illusion that there might be impropriety here is unnecessary and will throw the whole process into doubt for some people, regardless of the outcome. In addition, this tarnishes the independent, third-party veneer that was giving this investigation its credence in the first place.

    For the record, I do not myself hold any of the above opinions. I am simply trying to show how someone could arrive at them given Todd's involvement, and why that should have been avoided.
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  7. thegamer1185's Avatar
    Hey, anybody else disprove of the guy some of us think cheated on some his scores going to "help" the guy performing TGs testing? Pretty sure that's the dumbest idea I've seen so far. Oh yeah, remember that time a guy was a suspect in a murder case and the cops flew him to the crime scene to help with the investigation that could put him jail for life? Remember that?

    Except replace " a guy" with "Todd", "murder case" with "cheating/collusion dispute", "cops" with "TG", "crime scene" with "code testing", and last but not least "jail for life" with "all scores removed and life time ban". Yeah, I'm sure Todd is doing all he can.
    Updated 12-06-2017 at 11:17 PM by thegamer1185
  8. thegamer1185's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by datagod
    It has been brought up before that programming a machine to try out every possible combination would take so long we would all be dead by the time it completes.

    My guess is that Todd may be able to steer Ben in the right direction by sharing his technique: Do this, then that, then time it right and to that! One if 3,000 tries will get it. (as an example)

    This will allow Ben to get the machine to do the same technique and hopefully we will both see it get 5.51 and also figure out WHY that score happened.

    As for investigators not being able to talk to key witnesses, that does't really make sense.
    There is no way you can possibly believe this. All Todd has to do is record a God damn session and he WILL NOT ****ING DO IT! Why? All of his friends are around him some times watching him do it and none of YOU record either? It's bull****. I can not believe the people who support Todd are still using these BS excuses. He could record it. End of story. Period.
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  9. CWK's Avatar
    Too many fake scores. Delete them all. Who really cares about dragster. That boat has sailed
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  10. DadsGlasses's Avatar
    @HectorTelloc : when you said “they flew him out there” were you referring to Twin Galaxies or the Ben Heck show?
    Updated 12-07-2017 at 04:04 AM by DadsGlasses
  11. bensweeneyonbass's Avatar
    Amazing. What a joke. Kyle and Brendan have put it very well, from a couple different angles, so I have nothing more to say about the substance of this spectacle that has become a convoluted tale full of asinine reasoning. This is a spectacle and nothing more, and as much as I like a good spectacle now and then, at a certain point you stop cheering on the horse and feel sorry for that poor girl.
  12. CONSOLEPLAYEROFTHECENTURY's Avatar




    So called Legends public threats to me the other Legend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  13. Snowflake's Avatar
    I see things are continuing to escalate. I'll still take the new system over refs any day, but man, what this is turning into, i can understand some people disagreeing.
  14. jjt_defender's Avatar
    Here are Todd Rogers Disputed Video Game Submissions Currently


    1. Dispute: Dick Moreland - Atari 2600 / VCS - Dragster - NTSC - Game 1, Difficulty B [Fastest Time] - Player: Todd Rogers - Score: 05.51
    2. Dispute: John McAllister - Atari 2600 / VCS - Skiing - NTSC - Game 03, Difficulty BB [Fastest Time] - Player: Todd Rogers - Score: 27.51
    3. Dispute: Marc Cohen - Atari 2600 / VCS - Slot Machine - NTSC - Game 1, Difficulty B - Player: Todd Rogers - Score: 9,999


    4. Dispute: Clay Karczewski - TurboGrafx-16 - The Legendary Axe - Points - Player: Todd Rogers - Score: 99,999,990
    5. Dispute: Marc Cohen - Atari 2600 / VCS - Taz - NTSC - Game 1, Difficulty B - Player: Todd Rogers - Score: 999,900
    6. Dispute: Marc Cohen - Atari 2600 / VCS - Wabbit - NTSC - Game 1, Difficulty B - Player: Todd Rogers - Score: 1,698
    7. Dispute: John McAllister - Arcade - Gorf - Points [3 Ships] - Player: Todd Rogers - Score: 653,990
    8. Dispute: John McAllister - Atari 2600 / VCS - Sub-Scan - NTSC - Game 1, Difficulty B - Player: Todd Rogers - Score: 1,012,000
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  15. jjt_defender's Avatar
    I do Not Think Todd Rogers Cheated it is Pretty Obvious that he Exaggerated a Lot of his Video Game WR High Scores & Times to Be in 1st Place & Maxed Out Scores to Look Great his Ego.

    verb (used with object), exaggerated, exaggerating.
    1.
    to magnify beyond the limits of truth; overstate; represent disproportionately:
    to exaggerate the difficulties of a situation.
    2.
    to increase or enlarge abnormally:
    Those shoes exaggerate the size of my feet.
    verb (used without object), exaggerated, exaggerating.
    3.
    to employ exaggeration, as in speech or writing:
    a person who is always exaggerating.


    Cheating is the receiving of a reward for ability or finding an easy way out of an unpleasant situation by dishonest means. It is generally used for the breaking of rules to gain unfair advantage in a competitive situation. This broad definition will necessarily include acts of bribery, cronyism, nepotism, sleaze and any situation where individuals are given preference using inappropriate criteria.[1] The rules infringed may be explicit, or they may be from an unwritten code of conduct based on morality, ethics or custom, making the identification of cheating conduct a potentially subjective process. Cheating can refer specifically to marital infidelity. Someone who is known for cheating is referred to as a cheat in British English, and a cheater in American English. A person described as a "cheat" doesn't necessarily cheat all the time, but rather, relies on unfair tactics to the point of acquiring a reputation for it
  16. jjt_defender's Avatar
    It has Never Been found that Todd Rogers Cheated on a Video Game Yet.

    Their No Evidence but if a Twin Galaxy Member Can bring forth the Evidence only then you can get a Lifetime Ban remember it must be Hard Physical Evidence

    Only thing is that Todd Rogers May have been Considered Cheating Is when he was a Twin Galaxy Referee He Maybe Might Have Altered his & Maybe other Twin Galaxy Members Video Game WR High Scores and Times????????

    Their Are No Really Hard Physical Evidence if a Twin Galaxy Member Can bring forth the Evidence only then you can get a Lifetime Ban remember it must be Hard Physical Evidence

    Their Many Presumptions Twin Galaxy Members that show that Something might have been going Wrong when Todd Rogers was a Twin Galaxy Referee which is not Not Kosher, & would be deceitful, & going Against Twin Galaxy Rules of Conduct in Adjudicating Twin Galaxy Members Video Game Submissions Back then. Favoritism to their Friends and doing their Own Video Game Submissions.
  17. GibGirl's Avatar
    video of a Dragster discussion on Twin Galaxies:

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  18. The Evener's Avatar
    "The only winning move is not to play the game."

    ??????

    Nah...
  19. EVN's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by jjt_defender
    I do Not Think Todd Rogers Cheated it is Pretty Obvious that he Exaggerated a Lot of his Video Game WR High Scores & Times to Be in 1st Place & Maxed Out Scores to Look Great his Ego.
    In my world that's pretty clearly cheating. You say "exaggerated" I think the word you're looking for is "lied".
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  20. Snowflake's Avatar
    I agree those are some interesting semantics. "exagerrating" a score is cheating. The only time i'm willing to distinguish between cheating and other errors is whether or not its intentional. For example, purposely stating a false score is cheating, accidentally hitting the wrong key during key during entry is an accident. I would not however distinguish intentional misentry or intentional misstatement of score/exageration from cheating. The only time exagerating a score isnt cheating is if you're exagerating how hard it was, not if you're exagerating the actual accomplishment itself
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