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Dispute: Matthew Felix - Game Boy / Game Boy Color - The Legend Of Zelda: Link's Awakening - Fastest Completion - Player: Rodrigo Lopes - Score: 01:22:57.0

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    Dispute: Matthew Felix - Game Boy / Game Boy Color - The Legend Of Zelda: Link's Awakening - Fastest Completion - Player: Rodrigo Lopes - Score: 01:22:57.0

    Game Boy / Game Boy Color - The Legend Of Zelda: Link's Awakening - Fastest Completion
    Score Trackhttp://www.twingalaxies.com/scores.php?scores=10579
    Rules
    • Starting Point: When the player hits start on a newly created file.
    • Ending Point: When the player inflict the final blow to "The Nightmare"
    • Player may go through the dungeons in the order they wish
    • Player may not die at any time within the game -- Usage of the Secret Potion is allowed.
    • Thief Technique is allowedSave & Quit Technique isn't allowed

    Player NameRodrigo Lopes
    Original AdjudicationN/A
    Verification MethodVideo
    Verification Date2006-07-09
    Disputed Score01:22:57.0 (Rank 1)
    Disputed Bystarcrytas
    Dispute Evidence / RationaleAccording to the final moments of this record that Rodrigo Lopes posted on his YouTube channel, Super Game Boy was used for this submission.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FLN89VZjro

    However, Super Game Boy runs Game Boy games at a faster frame rate, which allow for faster speedruns.
    There has been some talk in the past about banning Super Game Boy usage such as this topic:
    http://www.twingalaxies.com/showthre...Super-game-boy

    A couple years ago, I brought this up in the "Impossible Scores on the Scoreboard" thread and suggested a time conversion using the Speed Demos Archive (SDA) time conversion.
    Using this SDA topic:
    https://kb.speeddemosarchive.com/Super_Game_Boy_timing

    Multiplying Rodrigo Lopes's time of 1:22:57 by 1.024115, which is the number that SDA came up with, the result is 1:24:57.

    Please note that I do believe this speedrun to be done without cheating, splicing, or whatever. It's a technically invalid due to Super Game Boy use for a manually timed speedrun track.
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    Lesser known: I did run LA/LADX competitively and what Matthew is saying here is absolutely correct.

    Valid input methods for GB(C) runs typically are:
    - Real original hardware
    - Super Gameboy 2 (only released in Japan and fixes the speed issues)
    - Gameboy player using original disc
    - Gameboy player using GBI

    The SGB has been banned by virtually all speedrunning communities for as long as it has been known there were timing differences in the hardware. It's possible that when this run was submitted, that fact was not known, but it still does not change the fact. If it was using a SGB, the run is invalid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WCopeland View Post
    The SGB has been banned by virtually all speedrunning communities for as long as it has been known there were timing differences in the hardware.
    Speedruns in the past that have been done on SGB have had their time adjusted, so it has not been banned everywhere.
    An example of this is the Donkey Kong '94 (GB) speedruns on speedrun.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by starcrytas View Post
    Speedruns in the past that have been done on SGB have had their time adjusted, so it has not been banned everywhere.
    An example of this is the Donkey Kong '94 (GB) speedruns on speedrun.com
    Fair enough. I know that LADX speedruns using the SGB are instantly disqualified by the community.
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    Additionally supporting evidence concerning how the Super Game Boy can be used - and not used - for submissions:

    http://www.twingalaxies.com/showthre...Super-Game-Boy
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    I think this falls into the realm of score correction. In that vein, can we propose that TG edit the current score based on the calculation you cited, starcrytas? Or is the expectation that the score is removed, and then the player needs to resubmit the score themselves with the adjusted time?
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    Sorry starcrytas - you had the hyperlink all along in your evidence package, which I completely overlooked! Where's my Homer GIF...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Evener View Post
    I think this falls into the realm of score correction. In that vein, can we propose that TG edit the current score based on the calculation you cited, starcrytas? Or is the expectation that the score is removed, and then the player needs to resubmit the score themselves with the adjusted time?
    I'm not sure what TG would want to do.

    I think that since Super Game Boy is banned for a track like this, the speedrun should be removed from the scoreboard. If others aren't able to use SGB for speedruns here, then why should Rodrigo Lopes be an exception?

    Anyone else have any thoughts on what to do?
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    Good job Matthew this IS a guy who should have ALL his scores disputed just like Patrick he also as caught and admitted cheating to refs in the Archives
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudy J. Ferretti View Post
    Good job Matthew this IS a guy who should have ALL his scores disputed just like Patrick he also as caught and admitted cheating to refs in the Archives
    Reminder: you've been caught cheating too. Try not to lay it on so thick. ;)

    Are you on my radar?
    I'd rather be last on every game than throw my time away chasing only one score.
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