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    Thank you Snowflake.

    I think if you ponder the " Statement" you will see its truth.
    Numerous people already have.

    As to my posts
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    Thanks for the posts here.

    The dispute/challenge system can remove any scores, historical or recent. No score will be removed without conclusive evidence. So far we have had disputes accepted over mistakes made while submitting and other simple issues. We have also had some emerge which are accumulating useful expert opinion and bringing technical issues to the forefront.

    There is no agenda to attack old scores which did not go through the TGSAP. There will be no blanket demands to resubmit old VHS tapes. We have to recognise how things were done in the past and let all sides of the arguments be presented. This new system is experimental but ones of its aims is to gather together genuine discussions, whispered conversations and conspiracy theories from across the web. This is clearly working so far and we will see what happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonnie View Post
    Thank you Snowflake.

    I think if you ponder the " Statement" you will see its truth.
    Numerous people already have.

    As to my posts
    thank you for counting them all😉
    Come on man, look at your own words here. What's it matter how many people agree, its either right or wrong. But if you dont want to make your beliefs based on popular vote then dont forget plenty of people disagree with you. Lets try to look at facts and not what the echo chamber says. As for counting your posts, i feel a hint of sarcasm there, but if i offended you with that i'll explain. I dont like to assume, so when i saw a series of negative posts I considered i might just have had the back luck of seeing your negative posts and missed your good ones. so yes, to make sure i wasnt judging you unfairly i tried to look for your other posts as well. I think if you ponder your statements and ask yourself what you would think if anyone else used similiar logic you'd see why you're not putting forth a very pursasive argument.

    I like you Lonnie, I hope you can come to examine yourself and see where improvement is possible. I hope you can come not to assume we votes are just doing things based on popularity for whatever reason you have to think that. A lot of us try really hard here to be fair. We treat video games as more than just games, we take the scores with seriousness a lot of people take crimes. Is that obsessive? quite possibly. But the point is if anything our flaw is taking things to seriously. To accuse of just doing things based on popularity, well, maybe you didnt realize how insulting that is.
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    Thank you Mr McEvoy.

    Your posts once again added no value.

    I have never edited the USNVGT wiki. But perhaps you can pull your self promotion ?
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    Thank you Snowflake.

    I dont need to "examine myself"
    My position is clearly stated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonnie View Post
    Thank you Snowflake.

    I dont need to rd to "examine myself"
    My position is clearly stated.
    I take this to mean you wont be changing your position any time soon. Perhaps discussion no longer serves any purpose then. I hope whatever involvement you choose to have here makes you happy. Best of luck to you.
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    Thank you.

    I have watched the system interested to see if it could work.
    Even with hard working people the system is taken advantage of.

    Until TG removes the Challenge System and creates a better format to adjudicate , you are correct, my mind is made up.

    Thank personally for all your hard work👍
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    People are more willing to listen to a complaint if it's paired with a viable solution.

    The majority of the newer generation of TG members want to see the integrity of the scoreboard held in high honors without scrutiny just as much as the older generation wants to hold on to their precious memories.

    Without a proper rebuttal in contrast to your negativity, it just seems a little whiney. I see nothing positively constructive in this thread at all.
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    Whiney, it seems if a person states a opinion about a system it's whining.

    No , it's a statement of fact.

    The system has flaws.
    TG understands the concerns.

    It is TGs responsibility to change it.

    Frankly , until TG makes money and can hired Paid impartial full time Refs , there are serious doubts that it can or will be fixed.
    If you can't see this then you don't understand adjudication.

    We dont vote on wether the score in valid in Football. basketball etc.
    It is a paid Ref - they are experts on the game.

    Currently as a corporation with no independent funding for staff the current adjudication system is the only one that works.
    But that doesn't make it good.

    Regardless, I appreciate the hard work of those invested in the process.

    Community isn't ideal, and the Challenge System only further empowers an imperfect system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonnie View Post
    Whiney, it seems if a person states a opinion about a system it's whining.
    "Seems like" is the keyword in our statements.

    I'm sure there are plenty if non vocal members who will not vote on disputes they are not an expert on and others may come to learn valuable insight.

    A few bad apples can ruin the experience I'm sure but it is the best answer we have at the moment and at least people are participating and new information is coming up.

    Yeah I know a lot of the older generation is in a tiff over the Todd Rodgers things but look at the Robotron dispute.. That dispute was a huge step in the right direction.
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