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Dispute: John McAllister - Atari 2600 / VCS - Sub-Scan - NTSC - Game 1, Difficulty B - Player: Todd Rogers - Score: 1,012,000

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    Dispute: John McAllister - Atari 2600 / VCS - Sub-Scan - NTSC - Game 1, Difficulty B - Player: Todd Rogers - Score: 1,012,000

    Atari 2600 / VCS - Sub-Scan - NTSC - Game 1, Difficulty B
    Score Trackhttp://www.twingalaxies.com/scores.php?scores=5430
    RulesDefault Settings
    Player NameTodd Rogers
    Original AdjudicationN/A
    Verification MethodReferee
    Verification Date2004-09-30
    Disputed Score1,012,000 (Rank 1)
    Disputed Byredelf
    Dispute Evidence / RationaleScore isn't possible. It is a possible score but only if you leave your game on and the demo keeps running. The score in the demo keeps going up and up. The game will reach a speed that makes it impossible to hit the subs going across the screen and you only have 10 lives. I'm not sure what the thresholds are as to when the difficulty or speed of the games goes up but it does every so many thousands of points. The game maxes out in speed well before 100k. I'll try to provide more evidence but I just wanted to get this started. You can see from my previous submission oh how the speed of the game goes and see that it is impossible for the shots to even get to the bottom and hit the subs before they make it across the screen and take away your lives.

    http://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/168039
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    Video showing the scoring in demo mode: (same video attached for permanent record)

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    I'll go ahead and get the counterarguments about another suspicious Todd score out of the way:

    "Did you consider the human element?"
    "Did you call Todd on the phone to talk to him about it?"
    "Could he have been using a prototype cartridge?"
    "Could a coffee stain have been involved during the data entry process?"
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    @Jace Hall , in order to document a complete review of the existing evidence, would it be possible to confirm what referee verified the score under review? I saw a thread (circa 2005) where the scoreboard contained metadata with the name of the referee attached to the score they verified. I have also read about instances where some scores were slated to be removed under the old TG, but weren't, so I'm curious if speaking to the referee (if possible) might provide additional information about the initial approval of this score.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Evener View Post
    @Jace Hall, in order to document a complete review of the existing evidence, would it be possible to confirm what referee verified the score under review? I saw a thread (circa 2005) where the scoreboard contained metadata with the name of the referee attached to the score they verified. I have also read about instances where some scores were slated to be removed under the old TG, but weren't, so I'm curious if speaking to the referee (if possible) might provide additional information about the initial approval of this score.
    I wish we had that data. We don't.

    Previous administrations were not as thorough in tracking the behavior, actions and decision making of the refs/admin staff as this new administration is.

    The vast majority of the "data" that exists regarding what ref did what thing, is primarily stored in the memory of the previous TG refs themselves.
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    I've played this on Stella. After watching the video and trying myself, it's impossible to hit ships near the bottom it out dumb luck. Good luck keeping up with the other ships passing by as well. Just my assessment, could be wrong though.
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    Biggest Issue fact with Todd's scores legit or Not relies on Ron and the Police Dept that obtained the video tapes
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    Can we just get from Todd an apology letter and a list of games/scores that he requests to be removed. I think that will just clear up the dozens of disputes that are on the way.

    Each one of us who are knowledgeable about our specific game for which Todd has an impossible score are going to dispute his scores one by one.

    For example, I don't play Dragster or Sub-Scan; however, I do play Lock-N-Chase and Stampede. One of which I will provide video evidence showing how Todd took a screenshot of 888,000 points while the next highest score is 200,000. I will take the same screenshot on video and show how he did it. The video evidence will be coming next month. If Todd wants to compete on Lock 'N Chase LIVE and achieve 900,000 points, I will eat my hat. I will forever-more back Mr. Rogers on every one of his scores in the database if he hits 900,000 points.

    But he won't do it.

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    So any word here on this? Its been around a while now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CONSOLEPLAYEROFTHECENTURY View Post
    Biggest Issue fact with Todd's scores legit or Not relies on Ron and the Police Dept that obtained the video tapes
    sounds like reason to strip all ron's scores. His fault evidence went missing. and in partiuclar it went missing due to him being a terrible person with no morals. I dont know why we should believe someone like that actually verified the scores they claimed to verify or got his own scores that he claimed to get. And to see him in the top 10 on so many classic consoles really gives the TG leaderboard an ugly look. Having a cheater (ron) in so many prominent places on the site is bad enough, having a criminal like him though in those same places makes it even worse
    Mr. Do's Castle champ
    Lode Runner champ
    Other kid's games champ

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