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Dispute: Brandon Finton - Nintendo 64 - Cruis'n Exotica - NTSC - Challenge - Mars - Venusville To Cerberus Race - Player: Tom Duncan - Score: 20.51

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    I got a 2:20.41 on an emulator for this course.
    It's the first time I've ever played this, so my time is unoptimized and I used the Glide car, which might have an effect on speed.

    Even from that play I just did, I don't see how 20.51 is possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starcrytas View Post
    I got a 2:20.41 on an emulator for this course.
    It's the first time I've ever played this, so my time is unoptimized and I used the Glide car, which might have an effect on speed.

    Even from that play I just did, I don't see how 20.51 is possible.
    Because it isn't possible. Anyone can try it for themselves. You can't pull off enough barrel rolls while maintaining optimal speed to have that much time taken off. I do consider myself an expert of thst single game from the Cruis'n series.
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    I would like to state that there are other tracks from Mars that have the same stage setup or are reversed and there isn't any score listed as crazy as this time
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desidious View Post
    Because it isn't possible. Anyone can try it for themselves. You can't pull off enough barrel rolls while maintaining optimal speed to have that much time taken off. I do consider myself an expert of thst single game from the Cruis'n series.
    Are there any other records on this game that seem impossible like this one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by starcrytas View Post
    Are there any other records on this game that seem impossible like this one?
    Nope it's just this one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Hawksett View Post
    Tom Duncan has been in touch and informed us where theoriginal submission footage for this score is located. We will attempt to gethold of this. In the meantime we have put the score back and reopened thisdispute, pending retrieval of the original footage.
    Any luck locating this? Its kind of odd is this something TG needs to get or Tom is going to provide? Just curious because I believe someone posted that Tom said to just remove all his scores so it seems funny that now he has something for this. How long will you wait to receive this information if it is in fact coming from Tom?
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    I have spoken with Tom. We have not yet acquired the original footage but we are attempting to. Give us time to do this. Tom even explained his technique, which I will not reveal. I hope one day he will come here and tell everyone himself.

    Until then we will continue to attempt to retrieve the submission footage. Updates will be posted here as soon as we have any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Hawksett View Post
    I have spoken with Tom. We have not yet acquired the original footage but we are attempting to. Give us time to do this. Tom even explained his technique, which I will not reveal. I hope one day he will come here and tell everyone himself.

    Until then we will continue to attempt to retrieve the submission footage. Updates will be posted here as soon as we have any.
    Sure no problem why would anyone here have an expectation of knowing what people did to get impossible scores right? Its cool that doesnt apply to TGSAP but disputes hey its back to the good ol submit a tape and keep it secret club.... got it :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Hawksett View Post
    I have spoken with Tom. We have not yet acquired the original footage but we are attempting to. Give us time to do this. Tom even explained his technique, which I will not reveal. I hope one day he will come here and tell everyone himself.

    Until then we will continue to attempt to retrieve the submission footage. Updates will be posted here as soon as we have any.
    two questions on this.
    1. His technique. Do you believe it? Are you able to confirm it all? (I consider this two different ways of asking the same question so only counting it as one)
    2. I know some old evidence is in boxes in storage lockers or something. I totally get that could take a while to contact the person, have the mail it, then go through it. Are you able to provide any exact updates. Anything at all, something like "contacted the person with the footage waiting for a response" or "currently in the mail waiting for arrival". any details you can reveal without violating privacy would be much appreciated.
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    Tom’s description sounded credible.

    All details that do not violate privacy have already been stated. I will update as soon as I have the footage.

    I am not personally a fan of secret techniques in high scores. Nowadays that is impossible due to the TGSAP. However, scores submitted prior to this did not have the requirement to be publicly viewable by all. We must not apply the modern method to scores set before the modern method.

    Secret methods pre-TGSAP were part of general gaming culture and almost certainly come from the requirement to spend a tonne of cash in arcades in order to master a game. We must make sure that disputes against old scores are not instigated just in order to force a secret method to be revealed. That is not the purpose of disputes.
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