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Dispute: Brandon Finton - Nintendo 64 - Cruis'n Exotica - NTSC - Challenge - Mars - Venusville To Cerberus Race - Player: Tom Duncan - Score: 20.51

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    There hasn't been a video from me yet until I'm absolutely sure there are no other ways. I was able to do a barrel roll on a part of a wall once inside the ufo area. I have not been able to replicate it.
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    I just found out that if you angle your car into the wall, you can get some flips, but it's at the cost of you slowing down.
    Managed to get 1:40.55 doing that.
    MAYBE you can get sub 1 minute doing that along with car flips, but 20 seconds, I don't think so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starcrytas View Post
    I just found out that if you angle your car into the wall, you can get some flips, but it's at the cost of you slowing down.
    Managed to get 1:40.55 doing that.
    MAYBE you can get sub 1 minute doing that along with car flips, but 20 seconds, I don't think so.
    is that the "wall riding" i hear poeple talking about which is against the rules?
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    It has to state wall riding is against the rules. It's not global.
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    This "wall riding" can possibly result in a 1:20.51 from what I've been able to do.
    I'm done testing unless there's any other ideas.
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    So far, asking questions has yielded results for both of my questionable issues with some 0f Tom's scores. I will admit I was wrong.

    This dispute is not valid. Proof is converting and will be uploaded soon. Big thanks to @hydef .
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    We got one user who said it was supposed to be 1:20.51 because of a typo according to old PM's, then we have Tom not want his scores on TG, to all of a sudden this score is actually valid the whole time and it should stay.
    What a wild dispute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starcrytas View Post
    We got one user who said it was supposed to be 1:20.51 because of a typo according to old PM's, then we have Tom not want his scores on TG, to all of a sudden this score is actually valid the whole time and it should stay.
    What a wild dispute.
    Alas again its not just if the time is possible its if they did it. C'est la vie Tom could have very easily just said "I did like 30 flips with the xxx car" and we would have gotten somewhere but did he? Too many of these are people grinding out out a score and that somehow gives validity to it.... whatever im kinda done with all these at this point most likely.
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    The dispute system has given answers to my questions. If I would have put that Burnout crash record as a dispute I'm sure it would have been the same thing. This is just the system working as it should. Now the world can at least see how it's done without going through hoops to find answers.

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    I've voted yes in your score submission, but food for thought:

    The rules say Nitro can't be used, or instant disqualification. I assume the Nitro is a speed boost, and that by barring its use, the track author wanted to promote a "normal" (eg. without enhancements) race. That said, this jumping technique appears to be part of regular game play, and you've identified a way to use it in ways presumably unanticipated by the track author, to the point of taking a real-time game of a couple of minutes and reducing the final time to 5.79 seconds (!).

    As you mentioned in the dispute thread, the wall jump is not cited as a banned tactic in the global rules, and its not in the track rules. Still, it troubles me that a former referee and former record holder for this track used such a technique - one that, I would say, would not occur to most people based on the spirit of banning Nitros - and would wish to keep said technique secret during the resolution of this dispute. TG's decision to "respect" this practice is another discussion, not to mention Tom's contradictory documentary account as relayed by Marcade -- eg. it was a typo, and actually, it wasn't.

    Thanks for solving the mystery.
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