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Dispute: Marc Cohen - Atari 2600 / VCS - Challenge of Nexar - NTSC - Game 1, Difficulty B - Player: David B Yancey - Score: 999,995

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    Dispute: Marc Cohen - Atari 2600 / VCS - Challenge of Nexar - NTSC - Game 1, Difficulty B - Player: David B Yancey - Score: 999,995

    Atari 2600 / VCS - Challenge of Nexar - NTSC - Game 1, Difficulty B
    Score Trackhttp://www.twingalaxies.com/scores.php?scores=5091
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    Player NameDavid B Yancey
    Original AdjudicationN/A
    Verification MethodVideo
    Verification Date2005-05-30
    Disputed Score999,995 (Rank 2)
    Disputed ByMarcade
    Dispute Evidence / RationaleImpossole final score. Scores cannot end in a 5 digit. All scoring is in 10's. Therefore, last digit is always a 0.
    Refer to Glen Sampson's gameplay: http://www.twingalaxies.com/showthre...0-glen-sampson
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    as glen pointed out in his submission, the instructino book incorrectly says 999,9995 is the maxout
    https://atariage.com/manual_html_pag...SoftwareID=912

    now, i find that particularly relevant. What are the odds a typo on score entry here, and a typo on score entry in the instruction booklet just happen to be the exact same typo? Seems pretty darn unlikely to me. Looks like somebody read the instruction, saw what the max score is, and claimed it for themselves without even taking the time to learn much else about the game.

    I know "cheating" is different than typo, or honest mistake, but this is extremely extremely suspicious to me. A coincidence like this definitely makes me think we have to consider the possibility of intentional cheating.

    all that said, i'd be interesting in hearing from david, as well as looking at some of his scores to see what the pattern is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake View Post

    now, i find that particularly relevant. What are the odds a typo on score entry here, and a typo on score entry in the instruction booklet just happen to be the exact same typo? Seems pretty darn unlikely to me. Looks like somebody read the instruction, saw what the max score is, and claimed it for themselves without even taking the time to learn much else about the game.
    Id say the odds are 999,995 to 1. Score should of been rounded down to a 999,990 entry, to make it more believable. ;)

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    ok i've now reviewed all of David Yancey's scores. He has a lot of believable scores, some great score, some low, seems normal. Alot of maxouts though, some really good maxouts, whatever though right?

    Well get a load of this, demons to diamons, two players were tied for 14434 http://www.twingalaxies.com/game_det...93&ref=fbshare in 2001 and 2003, then in 2004 david comes along and gets the exact same 14434 score. Here's the catch, ITS NOT A MAXOUT. redelf beat the score. So, do we really believe 3 people coincidentally tied with the exact same score? How could all three best players get the exact same score if its not a maxout?

    put these two scores in perspective. Of all the believed maxouts at the time, only two were incorrect -- one due to the instruction book, one due to a false belief. As an amazing coincidence, david yancey just happens to get the exact same score as the believed maxout in both games -- one of which isnt even a possible score.

    Coincidens like that dont exsit. I'm calling it, David looked to see if something was a maxout, and if it was, he just lied and claimed he got the maxout. What a cheater.
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    oh look at this, another miracle by david the liar

    in 2004 todd got 10,110 and that was first place. As far as david knew that was best possible score and as an amazing coincidence, the amazing david pulled exactly 10,110 out of his ass. thing is though, its not maxout frankie beat it by a factor of 10
    http://www.twingalaxies.com/game_det...89&ref=fbshare

    yet again, david miraculously coincidentally ties the score that he would've thought was maxout at the time
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    http://www.twingalaxies.com/game_det...86&ref=fbshare
    starship, david coincidentally tied top score at the time he submitted -- spoiler, it was later learned thats not the top score.

    to be fair, this one has some randomness, he may have stopped trying once he tied. This isnt nearly as strong evidence as some of the other ones, but it all starts to add up to form a pattern
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake View Post
    oh look at this, another miracle by david the liar

    in 2004 todd got 10,110 and that was first place. As far as david knew that was best possible score and as an amazing coincidence, the amazing david pulled exactly 10,110 out of his ass. thing is though, its not maxout frankie beat it by a factor of 10
    http://www.twingalaxies.com/game_det...89&ref=fbshare

    yet again, david miraculously coincidentally ties the score that he would've thought was maxout at the time
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    space invaders atari 5200 at the time todd was first with 9250 and the amazing david ties him with that same score -- not a maxout (its space invader, and if you think this one version might max 2 others beat it)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake View Post
    oh look at this, another miracle by david the liar

    in 2004 todd got 10,110 and that was first place. As far as david knew that was best possible score and as an amazing coincidence, the amazing david pulled exactly 10,110 out of his ass. thing is though, its not maxout frankie beat it by a factor of 10
    http://www.twingalaxies.com/game_det...89&ref=fbshare

    yet again, david miraculously coincidentally ties the score that he would've thought was maxout at the time
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    http://www.twingalaxies.com/game_det...90&ref=fbshare

    oh look, stephen knox in 2001 had first place with 19,300. In 2004 the amazing david ties first as yet another strange coincidence getting exactly just barely enough to tie first even though its not a maxout.

    its almost like he wasnt greedy cheated just enough to get first, but didnt try to push it to get much higher a score...
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