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Dispute: Matthew Felix - ColecoVision / Adam - Exerion Prototype - NTSC/PAL - Skill 1 - Player: Tom Duncan - Score: 117,000

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    Dispute: Matthew Felix - ColecoVision / Adam - Exerion Prototype - NTSC/PAL - Skill 1 - Player: Tom Duncan - Score: 117,000

    ColecoVision / Adam - Exerion Prototype - NTSC/PAL - Skill 1
    Score Trackhttp://www.twingalaxies.com/scores.php?scores=127967
    RulesThis variation is for both NTSC and PAL as there is no difference between the two on the ColecoVision Video Game Console.
    Player NameTom Duncan
    Original AdjudicationN/A
    Verification MethodVideo
    Verification Date2010-09-09
    Disputed Score117,000 (Rank 1)
    Disputed Bystarcrytas
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    I'm not sure about tracking prototype games on Twin Galaxies, but this one is ultra rare. Only 5 copies are known to exist.

    Exerion Prototype is a port of the SG-1000 version of Exerion see here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf7QaRsm2qo

    I cannot find a Colecovision ROM of this, so the 5 copies are the only way to compete on this variation which limits the competition.
    I cannot find a video of the prototype anywhere, so I don't even know if the port plays the exact same as the original.

    The only references to this game are on Atari Age and a Colecovison website talking about the guy who ported some prototypes to cartridges.

    http://atariage.com/forums/topic/161548-exerion-prototype-for-the-colecovision/
    http://www.colecovision.dk/eduardo.htm

    The score itself may be possible, but why track a prototype and only you compete on it?
    How would a prototype like this be added to the database if only 5 copies were produced? There's no other way to play this game.
    Tom Duncan was a referee, so did that give him the ability to add tracks to the database and give himself an unfair advantage?

    Side note:
    Galaga Prototype for Colecovision has the same problem. Five copies, no available ROM, yet Tom Duncan has a score on a track with limited competition.
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    Given some of the other things brought to light regarding Mr Duncan this is a yes for me. There needs to be something more than just typing stuff into TG to track. If he played these he should have some proof of this. After all who would dispose of an ultra rare title like this?\
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    Thought I already voted on this one. No way this game deserves to be on the boards. Too uncommon to justify. After all, this place is about competition right? So why have a track no one can compete on. Lame Tom, real lame
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    I have the same feeling of this that I have on Tom's other prototype scores.

    Nothing wrong with tracking a prototype, the track is valid but,.....

    How was it possible to verify this? Even if the ref verified the score how could he/she be the score was for the right game for something so rare?

    This comes from a time period where plenty of games were refused to be tracked. Games many people had access, were popular, and competition was strong for, were deemed not worthy to be tracked, yet somehow this one got tracked. Certainly raises my suspicions of self entered track and score, but good look proving that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake View Post
    How was it possible to verify this? Even if the ref verified the score how could he/she be the score was for the right game for something so rare?
    Verifying ones own score would easily fix that problem
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWK View Post
    Verifying ones own score would easily fix that problem
    is it possible to find when a track was created? Is such a thing even worth looking into? Although I cant prove it, I think we all conclude only a person with the prototype would've created the track (and nothing wrong with that), but if the score was entered the same day the track was created that might imply self entering. or maybe it wouldnt? i dont know how track creation worked then. Just questions I thought I'd throw out there in and see if looking into these things might have a chance of finding anything valuable.
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    Guessing it's not possible and also wouldn't prove anything
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    I remember hearing and reading about referees being the only ones to create tracks back then. Users would request games and the referee for that platform would set them up if they were able to be tracked.
    Tom was a Coleco referee, and he has a score on a prototype with only 5 copies known to exist. Not sure if he was the Coleco ref at the time though.
    If there are more than 5 copies of Exerion Prototype, then please show proof because I was not able to find any. Not even a ROM dump.

    Tom did say in the PM's I posted that TG is a worldwide scoreboard and any game, regardless of release (ex. Japan exclusive games) or rarity (ex. 1990 Nintendo World Championships, though reproduction carts exist), should be tracked. While I do agree, at least there's more than 5 copies of the examples I mentioned and ROM dumps of the examples exist for Everdrive, flashcart, or emulator play.

    What if I made a game, released only 5 copies and sold them to 5 lucky people on Amazon and set up a track on TG for only 5 plus whoever else they let play. Plus, they may not resell the game. Would that be fair? Does not sound like worldwide competition to me.

    Maybe Tom should explain how this track got created and defend his score since he was willing to explain and defend his Cruis'n Exotica time and get that dispute reopened, YET he wants his scores removed from TG.
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    Timeline of events:

    Announcement that Tom Duncan became a Colecovision referee on 3-18-2005:
    http://www.twingalaxies.com/archive/.../t-113130.html

    Tom was reported to no longer be a referee and topic made May 18, 2010:
    http://www.classicarcadegaming.com/f...ic,2669.0.html

    Apparently Tom was fired for some misdoings?
    http://www.classicarcadegaming.com/f...ic,2777.0.html

    Game was made and sold between April 15, 2010 and May 16, 2010:
    http://atariage.com/forums/topic/161...-colecovision/

    Score verified on 2010-09-09, which had to be done by a referee.
    Date score was achieved is unknown
    Date track was created is unknown
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    Wow that post at CAG sheds some very interesting info....not surprised either.
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