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Dispute: Marc Cohen - Atari 2600 / VCS - Grand Prix - NTSC - Game 1, Difficulty B [Fastest Time] - Player: Todd Rogers - Score: 29.47

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTM View Post
    I cannot envision a plausible explanation how a gamer, 35 years ago, could not realize or even think that playing with all collision detection turned off was honest never mind submitting it to Activision OR to TG for formal recognition.
    Welcome back, GFG!

    I agree with you. So would you consider this "cheating"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RTM View Post
    I'm choosing to reply even though this will get me skewered....I've spoken my peace.
    Welcome back RTM! Rudy has been banned for 256 years so far. This place is way better now.
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    Correct...I was responsible for the data import and the assumption was that all scores already verified by Ron were correct.

    It will be exceedingly hard to cross-verify this, but date-wise there were no challenges of any of Todd's scores as of 2002. It was until the data import that scores were questioned.

    To my best recollection the first questioning (not challenge) took place when Walter verbally asked me about the "Cosmic Swarm" Atari 2600 score which was nearly 100+ times that of the second place contender.

    The first formal challenge, again base on my recollection, came immediately before Brien King programmed in the block of self-entry. Tom Votava complained about Todd's DK NES score of 5M points being "impossible". This score was one of many which propelled Todd into at least 2nd place on the then leaderboard, surpassing Corcan nominally.

    I forget how fast that one came down, and it may in fact have survived until end of 2006 as I cannot recall removing it myself. TG also never received proof of this one, and with Corcoran gone I am not even sure which referee entered it but likely it was self-entered and Tom was the first person to catch it.

    Further, in the here and now, do some fact-checking. There were some recent posts that are in conflict. I gave one rendition (which I stand by) as to the catalyst behind Brien's eliminating self-entry. Todd gave another and the two cannot simultaneously be right as they differ widely. Use your own judgment.

    Not "back"...just wrapping up a loose-end on something that has been bothering me for some time.
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    I can sense your pain all over your posts, RTM.
    Again, I hate all this stuff, and just wish deception hadn't been programmed into us humans, but it is what it is.

    Would like to thank you again, to me it just seems like what it "right" is what matters to you, and I do feel like you are "letting it all hang out" in pursuit of the truth, with open ears and an open mind.
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    I'm waiting for Todd to chime in here and tell us how if you pass one specific car at just the perfect pixel a dragon appears on screen, swallows you up, and poops you out at the finish line with a 29.47.

    Until we get word on that, I'm voting yes on this dispute
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    This has unfortunate echoes of Barnstorming.

    Voting yes.
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    Thank you...please drive STRAIGHT thru!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVrJ8DxECbg
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    I am going here tonight!!! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

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    (OH, and there is no such thing as a Dragon)

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