Originally Posted by TK2014

I disagree, the players with same score must be equals.

They will all be listed as having 1st place but it is simply which name is at the top of the list that is being discussed. The site already functions like this but thegamer has noticed that the time of day is not factored into the existing sort order.

Originally Posted by thegamer1185

I'm not saying the scores aren't the same. They are equals. The person who achieved it first should be the one above them in the list. If someone does something 20 years before someone, and another comes along and ties them, does that original person not deserve the credit for achieving the score before anyone else?

They scores are still equal, absolutely. They should be ranked exactly the same. Order achieved is what I'm referencing, not the score itself

Originally Posted by Barthax

They will all be listed as having 1st place but it is simply which name is at the top of the list that is being discussed. The site already functions like this but thegamer has noticed that the time of day is not factored into the existing sort order.

Like I said, I disagree with this. If there are multiple people with the same score, the order should be random and change at every refresh. And if that's not possible, then alphabetical.

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on a list someone has to be shown first. even if everyone was shown side by side someone would have to be leftmost

i like numbers and analogies. Imagine all i know is you scored between 60 and 100 (you may have get a 99) someone else scored between 70 and 100 (may have been 71). entirely possible you're the better one, but if all i know is you're between 60 and 100 and they're between 70 and 100, then i have to put them in the higher spot until i know more

the person to do something later had others before them to learn from. they may have done it without looking but they at least had a chance of doing it easier. the person who did it first may have had a group of friends helping who knows. But in general doing it when noone else has yet means you had a harderr time as there was noone (or at least no known pubilc people) to learn from. Also the sooner you do it the harder.

look its most fair for people born the same year. obvoiulsy a younger generation even if brillaint is kinda scrwed. but again, you play the odds. the younger generation also had the advantage of being able to learn from earlier

doesnt mean the young person is the worse play they may be better, but nothing in the real world is perfect. we play the odds and go with best we can. the first to do it isnt definitely the best, but its the best guess we got.

Originally Posted by TK2014

Like I said, I disagree with this. If there are multiple people with the same score, the order should be random and change at every refresh. And if that's not possible, then alphabetical.

I appreciate your opinion, but in competitive anything I've never seen that be a thing. So the first team to win the World Series shouldn't be labeled as such, they should all be put into one long random list? Is that what you are saying?

Time and year absolutely matter. Technology, strategies, etc make it either much easier or much harder for the next group. Again, exactly matching scores are exactly matching scores, and they are equal, but the time of when it happens makes a big deal.

I promise you the speedrunning community would completely disagree with you. Since we are talking about a racing game that is dealing with speed, it absolutely matters who did it first because people can learn from it.

I'm still requesting TG changes it's leaderboard algorithm to Date submitted, then time of submission, then alphabetical by name. Thank you

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If I see a 1 beside my username and I get the same points as the others with the same rank, I don't care. I guess we all have different ways of looking at it but I only care about the esi and not placement.

Originally Posted by thegamer1185

I appreciate your opinion, but in competitive anything I've never seen that be a thing. So the first team to win the World Series shouldn't be labeled as such, they should all be put into one long random list? Is that what you are saying?

Time and year absolutely matter. Technology, strategies, etc make it either much easier or much harder for the next group. Again, exactly matching scores are exactly matching scores, and they are equal, but the time of when it happens makes a big deal.

I promise you the speedrunning community would completely disagree with you. Since we are talking about a racing game that is dealing with speed, it absolutely matters who did it first because people can learn from it.

I'm still requesting TG changes it's leaderboard algorithm to Date submitted, then time of submission, then alphabetical by name. Thank you

I appreciate your opinion as well, but I don't believe that just because someone happened to be the first to upload a hiscore, he has to stay on top forever."The first team to win the World Series..." is a different matter, we're talking about the ranking of hiscorers in games, right? The time and year are of historical interest. We can see if the community agrees or disagrees, let's take a poll. What's "speedrunning"?

And someome has to fix this sub, its Potential Rank 1, not 2.

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/278512-M-A-M-E-Cool-Riders-Fastest-Time-03-25-16

Originally Posted by TK2014

I appreciate your opinion as well, but I don't believe that just because someone happened to be the first to upload a hiscore, he has to stay on top forever."The first team to win the World Series..." is a different matter, we're talking about the ranking of hiscorers in games, right? The time and year are of historical interest. We can see if the community agrees or disagrees, let's take a poll. What's "speedrunning"?

And someome has to fix this sub, its Potential Rank 1, not 2.

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/278512-M-A-M-E-Cool-Riders-Fastest-Time-03-25-16

Perhaps I see what you are saying now. Anyone who has the exact same score as someone else, those scores are equal. 100%, completely agree with you, they both deserve whatever ranking they earned. Sorry if I was making it sound like, "Hey, I did it first! I deserve to be first place even thought you tied me, you get second place." That is not what I meant at all. My bad if that is how I was coming off.

All the other stuff I've mentioned was more of a nod to the person who achieved the score first. Some people would never have even considered using a strategy had they not watched someone else do it first, things like that. The rankings of the scores would be equal, but the order of the persons who achieved it first would be above them, and so on on down.

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Why is it when it comes to submissions that have been disputed, some of them say "view inactive dispute" and some of them say "undisputed"?

I feel like its a bit dishonest to put that 'undisputed' label on submissions that have, in fact, been disputed.
If its only there as a way for people to dispute a submission then it should be labeled differently, like a 'dispute' button on the submission page or something.

Originally Posted by thegamer1185

Perhaps I see what you are saying now. Anyone who has the exact same score as someone else, those scores are equal. 100%, completely agree with you, they both deserve whatever ranking they earned. Sorry if I was making it sound like, "Hey, I did it first! I deserve to be first place even thought you tied me, you get second place." That is not what I meant at all. My bad if that is how I was coming off.

All the other stuff I've mentioned was more of a nod to the person who achieved the score first. Some people would never have even considered using a strategy had they not watched someone else do it first, things like that. The rankings of the scores would be equal, but the order of the persons who achieved it first would be above them, and so on on down.

Honestly, "because I'm me", lol, any kind of me being full of myself is me being silly, I've came ahead on those, Rage mentioned one to ya, and also behind on a few, that I don't actually remember, and really, I don't mind, NBD, I'm after the ESI anyway, not really the ranking.

(NOT saying anyone else is full of themself, to be clear!).

BUT.

The date achieved is as important as any other stat here, for sure, and "matters", tho not on the ESI level.

I chase scores. Sometimes, someone in the 80's did it, perfectly, way before I got to it.

I respect that.

See, the World is changing, and it's instilled in some people now that this is "their World", they own it, the past doesn't matter.

Well, I'm a little more respectful of the people that helped lay the groundwork for the awesome lives we have in 2024.

We often play in real time here, the game in question is a clear example.

Just did too much Atari, that first 5.57 MATTERED. The first 81 on Night Driver, that MATTERED.

Someone broke new ground. They were "the one".

How that can be disrespected by modern thinking is beyond me, I guess.

Originally Posted by thegamer1185

Anyone who has the exact same score as someone else, those scores are equal. 100%, completely agree with you, they both deserve......The rankings of the scores would be equal,

You have repeated this many times, but I don't think anyone is confused.

Originally Posted by thegamer1185

....but the order of the persons.....

As I said this order should be random or alphabetical. I don't see any good reason for the oldest hiscorer to be on top forever

Originally Posted by TK2014

As I said this order should be random or alphabetical. I don't see any good reason for the oldest hiscorer to be on top forever

So because I flew in an airplane last month, I should randomly be recognized for flight before the Wright Brothers? Or better yet, always come first because my name comes first in the alphabet?

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Originally Posted by sdwyer138

So because I flew in an airplane last month, I should randomly be recognized for flight before the Wright Brothers? Or better yet, always come first because my name comes first in the alphabet?

Do you really think that people with a name starting with A have some advantage?

There's no way I'm going to change my mind, and it probably won't change yours either, so let's take a poll.

Originally Posted by TK2014

Do you really think that people with a name starting with A have some advantage?

There's no way I'm going to change my mind, and it probably won't change yours either, so let's take a poll.

No, but people who get to see how others did something before them certainly do. Lets take this poll off the Error thread. I'll start one.

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I am not sure if this issue has been reported already.

1. I posted a message yesterday on 10/4 from my location which is approx. 10/3 USA. TG shows that I posted with date 7/16, which is incorrect. Please correct the date and time on the server/application. I suggest perhaps all dates being posted now are incorrect.

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/275913-M-A-M-E-Circus-Charlie-Selectable-Level-Set-1-Points-74-200

2. Another example is https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/276317-M-A-M-E-Star-Force-Points-525-300?p=1234082#post1234082

Posted 10/4 (10/3 USA) and TG shows incorrect date 8/6. In fact every post in this thread, and the previous example above, all take the date of the original submission date.

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Originally Posted by thegamer1185

No, but people who get to see how others did something before them certainly do.

this doesn't always happen, it doesn't mean that whoever gets to be first has something to show others.

Who manages to score first is usually a matter of luck

Originally Posted by TK2014

this doesn't always happen, it doesn't mean that whoever gets to be first has something to show others.

Who manages to score first is usually a matter of luck

Nothing like insulting every gamer who has ever completed something before anyone else in one sentence. I've been lucky a ton then, and so have thousands of others!? WTF, I can't believe someone would actually say that it's luck, not skill, perseverance, dedication.

I've said my piece on this matter, either TG looks to make the change or they don't.

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Originally Posted by thegamer1185

Nothing like insulting every gamer who has ever completed something before anyone else in one sentence. I've been lucky a ton then, and so have thousands of others!? WTF, I can't believe someone would actually say that it's luck, not skill, perseverance, dedication.

Like I said, in most cases being the first to max score is just luck. U don't seem to understand what I' m talking about.

I would never insult people like me, the hiscorers.

Lets try again: in games where there's nothing to learn from others(most games), whoever gets the first highest score -a week early, a day early, or an hour early- is a matter of luck. So he shouldn't be first among equals forever.