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08-29-2018 at 06:36 AM
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Submission Points !!!! Stats and Clarifications

Dear Community


We have added the submission points calculation and the formula under the Activity tab in the user profile page.

The Activity page shows the total count and details of each count .

Users may check the numbers and report any discrepancies. Please use the exact formula provided on the profile page.


We have checked the following profile :

https://www.twingalaxies.com/barthax/activity#activitystream


Regards

Admin Staff



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  1. admin staff's Avatar

    Dear Community


    We have not included the points used by users for submissions in queue in our calculation service . By doing this we are essentially giving a credit of submission points to encourage participation.


    We will have to eventually include the submissions-queue points in the formula to calculate submission points.


    We will inform the community once we are ready to make this change.


    Regards

    Admin Staff

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  2. Barthax's Avatar

    Thank you for the continued concentration on the problem. I know my language on the matter of late hasn't been ... eloquent.

    I'm trying to understand your text above about something not being calculated so here's what I see currently:

    - Calculation shown on activity page: 3 SP.

    - My profile's indicated amount: 9 SP.

    - The number of submissions in the queue: ~19 pages = ~570 SP.

  3. admin staff's Avatar

    Hi Barthax

    Ideally Submission Points= Total Right Votes - (submissions queue +accepted submission +rejected submission-1) *3-donated sp - certificates

    25032-( 6851+220+188-1)*3 - 3819 = -561


    As per the activity page

    25032 -(6851+220-1)*3819 =3


    The profile page SP is not in sync cause there are submissions being accepted or rejected and taking the total submissions count ( This seems to be a bug)


    As stated on multiple occasions, the fundamentals are right , we have a record of each and every submission and votes which helps us finding and reconciling the stats .

    Regards

    Admin Staff

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  4. admin staff's Avatar

    FYI We changed the formula for recalculation service to support participation from the users including you @Barthax who got negative points due to a system error in 2017 .


    We value our user base and want to work towards making their experience a pleasant one on the site .


    Regards

    Admin Staff





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  5. Barthax's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by admin staff

    Hi Barthax

    Ideally Submission Points= Total Right Votes - (submissions queue +accepted submission +rejected submission-1) *3-donated sp - certificates

    25032-( 6851+220+188-1)*3 - 3819 = -561


    As per the activity page

    25032 -(6851+220-1)*3819 =3


    The profile page SP is not in sync cause there are submissions being accepted or rejected and taking the total submissions count ( This seems to be a bug)


    Thanks for the clarification. So I've overspent by 561 in a system that we've repeatedly been assured that's impossible to overspend. See the problem with the assurances given?


    Quote Originally Posted by admin staff
    As stated on multiple occasions, the fundamentals are right , we have a record of each and every submission and votes which helps us finding and reconciling the stats .


    Regards

    Admin Staff


    The history kept may be eventually have been correct if the user stopped posting new submissions. <- The fundamentals were flawed if people used it. It's like saying I'm a millionaire of my own currency. Means nothing.


    Cheers,


    Pete

  6. admin staff's Avatar

    Hi Barthax


    I have repeatedly assured our user base saying "there is no issue with the calculations ".

    I have acknowledged previously that due to multiple parallel transactions submissions points might not be displayed properly on the profile page

    This is the reason why the recalculation services were created . This was done to correct any issues on a daily basis .

    The fundamentals lie in using the correct formula and being able to reconcile everything .

    Going forward , we will update the SP calculations on the profile every 10 minutes. We will make this change including the formula change and update the users .




    Regards

    Admin Staff

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  7. Barthax's Avatar

    I feel at this point that "You have highlighted I have 561 reasons why I don't agree with your view point" is the only thing that is worth saying. Pursuing this current dialogue is not worth my time or yours.

    Thank you for the efforts to finalise. I truly hope it is ... finalised.

  8. GibGirl's Avatar

    Thank you for listing the votes on the activity page!


    Now I'm able to properly find this submission where the submitter expressly said to REJECT his submission, yet people voted to accept anyway. I'll be able to dispute it once I hit the 4000 credibility mark and fix this hiccup...


    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/163362-PlayStation-3-Gran-Turismo-5-The-Top-Gear-Test-Track-Lap-Time-01-05-704-Shaun-Michaud

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  9. MyOwnWorstEnemy's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by GibGirl

    Thank you for listing the votes on the activity page!


    Now I'm able to properly find this submission where the submitter expressly said to REJECT his submission, yet people voted to accept anyway. I'll be able to dispute it once I hit the 4000 credibility mark and fix this hiccup...


    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/163362-PlayStation-3-Gran-Turismo-5-The-Top-Gear-Test-Track-Lap-Time-01-05-704-Shaun-Michaud


    I lost credibility on that adjudication too. Since I asked for a reject, I won't object to anyone disputing it.

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  10. Conjured Entertainment's Avatar

    I have repeatedly assured our user base saying "there is no issue with the calculations "


    it's not accurate


    in the past 5 days I have "earned" submission points and credibility from 9 different submissions, yet my SP's went from 16 to only 18


    I should have earned 9 submission points, not 2


    Please review my notifications to confirm.


    I would be happy to agree with your statement that there is no issue in the calculations, if you can explain how earning points from 9 different submissions only results in 2 SP's.

  11. Conjured Entertainment's Avatar

    Just received this notification while I was in here commenting, and I am still at 18 SP's.


    As far as I am concerned, "there IS an issue with the calculations"


    I guess there is not point in trying to do them one at a time either, so farewell.


    Updated 09-03-2018 at 09:31 PM by Conjured Entertainment
  12. admin staff's Avatar

    Hi @Conjured Entertainment


    To understand the calculations you dont need to stop voting . Please go to your profile page

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/conjured-entertainment/activity#activitystream


    The numbers at 10:43 pm look like this

    Total Right Votes=380

    Submissions queued=1

    Accepted Submissions =99

    Rejected Submissions =14

    SP donated Tracks=23


    So your SP calculation looks like this

    380 -( 1+99+14-1)*3 - 23 = 18


    We are fully transparent in showing calculations to the users. You may reconcile your numbers at any point of time .


    Regards

    Admin Staff

  13. Conjured Entertainment's Avatar

    "The numbers at 10:43 pm look like this ..."


    okay, I see I can click them for more details.


    I will proceed to sorting through them all and comparing them to the notifications to see which ones did not get applied correctly.


    Takes time away from the more important things, but I guess regular checks should keep things right,


    Thanks

    Updated 09-03-2018 at 09:59 PM by Conjured Entertainment
  14. admin staff's Avatar

    Hi Conjured Entertainment

    You do not need to record the numbers manually . These numbers are already on your profile page.

    We changed the formula 2 days ago and that affected the numbers . The reason we are displaying all the numbers on your profile page is to make sure that you can reconcile and check if you have any doubts .

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/conjured-entertainment/activity#activitystream

    You may click on any of the stats to see the details .




    Regards

    Admin Staff





  15. Max's Avatar

    Whatever modifications have been made come along with some sort of delay in point distributions. I've not yet determined what is actually happening yet other than I too can absolutely confirm that points do not change in real time.


    @barthax's simple formula:


    I spend 3, my total goes down by 3.

    I earn 1, my total goes up by 1.


    Sometimes simple is best.


    Such is the price I suppose for creating and maintaining a virtual economy.


  16. Conjured Entertainment's Avatar

    It still doesn't answer how I can get 10 notifications of earned points in a 5 day period of not further activity. but then only receive 2 points.


    Nothing happened in those 5 days to subtract any SP's, so I should have gained 10 points.


    I will go through , but we will have to reconcile our entire history to get up to date if there is not way to look at those totals at specific dates/times.


    A lot of work, but having the information readily available is a big help.


    I will probably just start taking screen shots from this date forward instead of doing my entire history, but I hope we will be getting notifications of disputed submissions or other things that change any of those numbers, especially the total right votes.


    Thanks again

    Updated 09-03-2018 at 10:11 PM by Conjured Entertainment
  17. Conjured Entertainment's Avatar

    Found my problem right away!


    The RIGHT VOTES details do not include many of the submissions that I voted on and received notifications of earned points.


    I review > I vote > It gets Accepted > I get the notification of points earned > Right Votes may or may not get incremented.



  18. admin staff's Avatar

    Hi Conjured Entertainment

    The entire history is available in your profile . There is no need to take screenshots .

    The disputed submissions only change your numbers when the submission gets rejected.

    Once it is rejected your Right votes will change and the wrong votes will increase .

    At that point if you click on your wrong votes , you will see the rejected submission due to dispute


    Regards

    Admin Staff





  19. admin staff's Avatar

    Hi


    Can you give me one example of the many submissions that you voted on and it is not included in Right Votes




    Quote Originally Posted by admin staff

    Hi Conjured Entertainment

    The entire history is available in your profile . There is no need to take screenshots .

    The disputed submissions only change your numbers when the submission gets rejected.

    Once it is rejected your Right votes will change and the wrong votes will increase .

    At that point if you click on your wrong votes , you will see the rejected submission due to dispute


    Regards

    Admin Staff





  20. Conjured Entertainment's Avatar

    I hope that the list of RIGHT VOTES is being ordered in the order of our notifications (as each submission gets accepted) rather than by the dates of the submission.


    Are they?


    That way the lists would match when comparing.



    Can you give me one example of the many submissions that you voted on and it is not included in Right Votes



    NO , I CANNOT!


    I try to review the data for the RIGHT VOTES, but it only displays a portion of them.


    When I click "More Activity" to expand the list, it only repeats the same data instead of adding to it.


    So, I cannot review one of my latest notifications, because it was submitted in February, and since the data is displayed in order by submission date rather than accepted date, I cannot go back further than June in the RIGHT VOTES details.


    Here is the one I needed to check because it was not appearing on that first page pf details even though it is one of my latest notifications.


    Well done! you earned Submission point and Credibility for : M.A.M.E. - Track &amp; Field - High Jump. Highest jump ! - 2.44 - paul kearns


    I would like to review my entire history, but even if the 'more activity' button would actually list them all, I doubt that I would have time to sort it all out when the order is not that same as the notifications.




    Updated 09-03-2018 at 10:41 PM by Conjured Entertainment
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