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05-28-2020 at 11:44 PM
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Another fake hero, who doesn't answer real questions

[size=3]So, the protagonist of the "kok doc" has come to TG, shortly after its antagonist got more attention for lawsuits against TG. Predictably, this occurrence was met with an outpouring of hero worship. Just as predictably, the "hero" neglected to answer my question concerning his role in the "documentary", a film which depicts a number of actual events equal to zero.

Am I the only TG member who knows that the "kok doc" is fictitious?

Please note that this is not another ass licking thread. Sensible and truthful answers are required. Lapdogs, stalkers and sidekicks will be silenced.[/size]

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  1. The Evener's Avatar

    I don't understand. You argue and conclude that the film is fictitious. From that vantage, Wiebe's position, or the position of any other TG member on this point, is irrelevant.



  2. Fly's Avatar

    Most of us know. But I've heard there is money involved in not saying for some of the people in the MOVIE.

  3. Snowflake's Avatar

    I think to say there are "zero" factual events is an overstatement. However, its innacurate enough that yes, i would call it fiction. its no longer just a biased documtary with mistakes based on reality, the leaving out of tim zerbie and purposeful false info on the progression of score just to push a narrative makes it outright fiction loosely inspired by reality.

    i'm not sure anyone is required to give anyone an interview or answer any questions. Steve is perfectly within his right to chose to stay silent and avoid arguments or questions.

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  4. Marcade's Avatar

    It was once a "docu-drama"...But after the film went mainstream, it was labeled a "Mocku-drama".


  5. Almighty Dreadlock's Avatar

    [QUOTE=The Evener;bt58048]I don't understand. You argue and conclude that the film is fictitious. From that vantage, Wiebe's position, or the position of any other TG member on this point, is irrelevant.[/QUOTE]
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    On the contrary, as this character from "kok doc" has announced himself as a genuine competitive gamer, so I would like to know the basis on which he expects to be taken seriously. Given the desperate quest for attention the Mullet Muppet has been on, I would like to know if anyone else realises that this is probably just another manufactured celebrity out to legitimise himself.

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  6. Almighty Dreadlock's Avatar

    [QUOTE=Fly;bt58050]Most of us know. But I've heard there is money involved in not saying for some of the people in the MOVIE.[/QUOTE]
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    Indeed, I have heard that there is quite a bit of money involved. It is abundantly clear that the Mullet Muppet is contractually obliged to play his role, for the rest of his life, otherwise his earnings will be forfeit, hence the laughable legal posturing. Something similar going on with Weepy, perhaps?

  7. Almighty Dreadlock's Avatar

    [QUOTE=Snowflake;bt58052]i'm not sure anyone is required to give anyone an interview or answer any questions.[/QUOTE]
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    Yeh, like Todd Fraudgers, when he was on your "show".

  8. Snowflake's Avatar

    exactly. i asked the questions, he gave the answer, or non-answer in your opinion. i dont understand people faulting me for not arguing with him. I could see if i was one of those people who was afriad to even ask the questions, but i asked, and he was free to respond how he wanted.

    you cant force someone to answer how you want. the only point i see engaging in arguing with soemone who doesnt want to play ball is when theres concern of them tricking others. but one on one arguments make far less sense. also when the goal is to learn what the person believes arguing doesnt help.

    now all that said, just as people are free not to answer, you're of course free to go on asking anyway.

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  9. The Evener's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Almighty Dreadlock
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    On the contrary, as this character from "kok doc" has announced himself as a genuine competitive gamer, so I would like to know the basis on which he expects to be taken seriously. Given the desperate quest for attention the Mullet Muppet has been on, I would like to know if anyone else realises that this is probably just another manufactured celebrity out to legitimise himself.

    Wouldn't being the world record holder multiple times on Donkey Kong and Donkey Kong Junior qualify him as a "genuine competitive gamer"? How else do we measure a "genuine competitive gamer" here?

    Is this all rooted in a fundamental objection that Wiebe appeared in a film and enjoyed some celebrity as a result?

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  10. Almighty Dreadlock's Avatar

    [QUOTE=Snowflake;bt58057]i dont understand people faulting me for not arguing with him.[/QUOTE]
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    That's because nobody wanted you to argue with Fraudgers. As an interviewer, you are expected to press your subject on significant points, and call him or her out for evasion, dishonesty, etc. You put no real effort into getting the truth out of him, that's why your "interview" sucked.

    Anyway, the reason I asked the question of Weepy was to see if he'd have the nuts to respond. There is much I can infer, from his silence. Am happy with that, for now.

  11. Snowflake's Avatar

    understood. well i've considered bringing it back, and we all have our preferences. the commitment i'll make to the viewer is to ask all relevant questions. the commitment i'll make to the guests is that i'll accept the answers and move along. if thats unsatisfactory to some i fully respect that and i wont try to pretend my show fits your requirements.

  12. Almighty Dreadlock's Avatar

    [QUOTE=The Evener;bt58058]Wouldn't being the world record holder multiple times on Donkey Kong and Donkey Kong Junior qualify him as a "genuine competitive gamer"?[/QUOTE]
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    In the case of Donkey Kong, no, because he never actually held that record. Donkey Kong Junior, maybe, assuming he presented proper evidence of his performances.


    [QUOTE=The Evener;bt58058]How else do we measure a "genuine competitive gamer" here?[/QUOTE]
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    By his or her submitting evidence of at least one gaming accomplishment to TG, or another record keeping website.


    [QUOTE=The Evener;bt58058]Is this all rooted in a fundamental objection that Wiebe appeared in a film and enjoyed some celebrity as a result?[/QUOTE]
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    This is rooted in a fundamental objection to fiction's being put forward as fact.

  13. Snowflake's Avatar

    hold up, the claim is TG never held the record as well as he never submitted "at least one gaming accomplishment to TG"?

    he's had several submissoins to TG and i'm pretty sure he had the record. i guess he didnt hold it until this day, but he did hold it for a period of time. i also suppose any of his scores could be deemed not worthy of "accomplishment" status but the claim suprises me. is there something you know that we dont?

  14. The Evener's Avatar

    This is a new line of argumentation for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Almighty Dreadlock

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    In the case of Donkey Kong, no, because he never actually held that record. Donkey Kong Junior, maybe, assuming he presented proper evidence of his performances.

    As you know Wiebe's name has appeared on the TG scoreboard as world record holder on DK at least four times. At the risk of mischaracterization, are you arguing that he never held the record legitimately?

    Quote Originally Posted by Almighty Dreadlock

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    By his or her submitting evidence of at least one gaming accomplishment to TG, or another record keeping website.

    http://donkeykongblog.blogspot.com/2011/12/donkey-kong-world-record-history.html

    Quote Originally Posted by Almighty Dreadlock

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    This is rooted in a fundamental objection to fiction's being put forward as fact.


  15. Almighty Dreadlock's Avatar

    [QUOTE=The Evener;bt58064]At the risk of mischaracterization, are you arguing that he never held the record legitimately?[/QUOTE]
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    From what I've heard, there was always at least one US player, known to TG, with a higher score than either of the "kok doc" characters. So, neither of them earned the right to be called, 'record holder'.

  16. Snowflake's Avatar

    thats interesting. does the person have a name and is there any documentation anywhere of their score? It certainly wouldnt be the first time for tg to remove or refuse to authenticate scores for nonsense reasons.

  17. Almighty Dreadlock's Avatar

    [QUOTE=Snowflake;bt58070]thats interesting. does the person have a name and is there any documentation anywhere of their score? It certainly wouldnt be the first time for tg to remove or refuse to authenticate scores for nonsense reasons.[/QUOTE]
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    Tim Sczerby, whom you've already mentioned. It may be a bit of speculation on my part, but I'd be willing to bet that he beat both their scores more than that one time we know about. Since TG just wanted to milk the Bitchell & Weepy fake rivalry for all it was worth, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that he just didn't bother submitting any of his scores. The true history of the Donkey Kong high score will likely never be known.

  18. Ragequit's Avatar

    Guy competes for DK WR...doesn't know that current DK WR holder at the time wasn't billy mitchell lolz!! The one good thing i can take away from that "documentary" is that it really showed how shady billy mitchell is...

  19. Snowflake's Avatar

    Tim has multiple times turned down opportunities to compete. He was screwed for sure. But hes a guy that would rather curse the darkness than light a candle. Now that goes with your theory, cause if he turned down a chance to compete and refused to submit, then sure its entirely possible he beat them both and kept it to himself. At that point though, if he didnt submit I dont see how that makes weibe's score any less valid. TG can only take into scores they know about and are submitted to them.

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