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07-31-2021 at 02:12 PM
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  1. Arcade101's Avatar

    Yes does anyone what glitch he is talking about

  2. stella_blue's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcade101

    Yes does anyone what glitch he is talking about


    The only thing that comes to mind is the "ladder cheat" on TKG3 boards, where you can position yourself near the top of a ladder (just below the girder directly above), without having to worry about a barrel rolling down that ladder and causing a death.

    I am not aware of any other glitches.


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    Updated 07-31-2021 at 03:29 PM by stella_blue
  3. Barra's Avatar

    It was a TKG4 so that wouldn't work. He might be talking about the pie ladder glitch which isnt a banned technique AFAIK (not at DKF anyway, so it shouldn't be here)

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  4. stella_blue's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Barra

    It was a TKG4 so that wouldn't work. He might be talking about the pie ladder glitch which isnt a banned technique AFAIK (not at DKF anyway, so it shouldn't be here)


    Yes, I only mentioned the ladder trick because I couldn't think of anything else.

    In my haste, I momentarily forgot about the pie factory "reverse finish", and there is nothing in the rules to prohibit its use.

    The only other glitches I know of apply only to Crazy Kong, not DK.


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    Updated 07-31-2021 at 03:30 PM by stella_blue
  5. wwdkong's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by stella_blue

    The only other glitches I know of apply only to Crazy Kong, not DK.

    Yes, the jump-off-the-2nd-barrels-girder-to-end-the-board deal that AGardikis was looking for not long ago.


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  6. Barthax's Avatar

    Could be foot-in-mouth problem. :P Isn't there a jump which warps a level? My memory tells me it's there but searching for anything DK typically turns up masses about its descendant games (DK Country especially).


    (No I'm not confusing the NES ladder trick.)

  7. Barra's Avatar

    That's crazy kong

    Shows how farcical the credibility voting system is. Thanks to all the other people who voted to reject without a single comment

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  8. Fly's Avatar

    Go team!

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  9. Kibbey93's Avatar

    @Barthax what an absolute joke. Verify your info instead of speaking and voting about something you clearly know nothing about.

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  10. wwdkong's Avatar

    it's embarassing that the mame nibbler submission is lasting longer than barra's submission.

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  11. lexmark's Avatar

    What's the problem here? Isn't the new TG verification catch cry" no vid no did" ?

    It got rejected. So it should. (i stand to be corrected if there is video of the entire performance)

    Not picking on you this time Barra. But fair is fair, yes?

    john


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  12. Barra's Avatar

    Yeah I dont care if it was rejected for partial vid (kind of expected). What is annoying though is people who have no clue about something commenting and voting based on incorrect information and assumptions. Other voters probably saw the post and voted accordingly. It highlights what a mess the system is.

    Stay out of submissions if you don't know what you're talking about, especially if your voting power outweighs all of the people that actually do have a clue.

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    Updated 07-31-2021 at 11:36 PM by Barra
  13. dedmunds's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Barra

    Yeah I dont care if it was rejected for partial vid (kind of expected). What is annoying though is people who have no clue about something commenting and voting based on incorrect information and assumptions. Other voters probably saw the post and voted accordingly. It highlights what a mess the system is.

    Stay out of submissions if you don't know what you're talking about, especially if your voting power outweighs all of the people that actually do have a clue.

    1000% agree. He'd be the first bloke to jump in given that the shoe were on the other foot if someone else made a false assumption.

    Further to the score itself, why would this score not be valid if the hardware used was both original and verified, and this score was achieved during a Kong Off? The reason I ask is that many DK scores on the TG's DK Arcade leaderboard show the verification source as "Referee", and they occurred during official competitions too.

  14. lexmark's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by dedmunds



    Further to the score itself, why would this score not be valid if the hardware used was both original and verified, and this score was achieved during a Kong Off?

    It's not the first "KONG OFF" score to be rejected due to "no vid"!

    Once again, most of you's guys are the ones complaining that vid is all that counts! Nothing to do with what Barthax said.

    Stop blaming others.



    john


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  15. Barthax's Avatar

    Resubmissions are possible, disputes are possible. If it was genuinely rejected for the "wrong" reason, Barra could resubmit it as many have in such circumstances. It's correctly reject for one of the two reasons I stated.

    If anyone actually bothered to check: I make mistakes, I correct my mistakes where I understand that I have made them. :P LOL, keep piling on the insults, water off a ducks back, fuckwits.

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    Updated 08-01-2021 at 12:43 AM by Barthax
  16. freeko's Avatar

    I stated my reason for why I chose to reject that score. It has nothing to do with any glitches. It has everything to do with a lack of evidence sufficient for approval. On one hand, I do want to accept the score since there are people who witnessed it first hand. When I had control of things, that was enough. If I saw the score live, then that was all the verification that was needed once I finished my review of the video recording.

    Unfortunately in this case the standards are different now. If this score were accepted, it would be challenged for lack of evidence and almost certainly removed. At least I can say exactly why I voted no, and did so in the thread. It really does feel bad for me to have said no. Though at the end of the day, given the lack of proper evidence on the score, I think there was only one way to vote.

    My question is this, would it have made any difference if Andrew simply posted "insufficient evidence, voting no" without the qualifier of the rest of his post? At the end of the day I feel this part is the only part that matters.

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  17. Barthax's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by freeko

    My question is this, would it have made any difference if Andrew simply posted "insufficient evidence, voting no" without the qualifier of the rest of his post? At the end of the day I feel this part is the only part that matters.

    The way I see it, events are as follows:

    - Two reasons were present to vote no:

    1) Lack of evidence.

    2) The outside possibility of getting a glitch (even at a live event) unnoticed.

    - I voiced both.

    - The voting closed almost immediately after I voted+posted: the swell of No votes was there before I got to it.

    - Barra couldn't question me in the closed submission thread &, quite correctly, makes a wall post seeking clarity.

    - My knowledge of a glitch was incorrect placed (i researched for a couple of hours & expressed my new-found dumbassness) but through posts on this thread and serendipity I was actually correct all along. LOL

    + add in some outrage from the audience. :P

    Barra's expressed his expectancy of the outcome but just like other scores I've submitted: he gets to keep his score and evidence on the scoreboard, albeit in the reject pile on a technicality.

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    Updated 08-01-2021 at 02:59 AM by Barthax
  18. Kibbey93's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by freeko

    My question is this, would it have made any difference if Andrew simply posted "insufficient evidence, voting no" without the qualifier of the rest of his post? At the end of the day I feel this part is the only part that matters.

    Yes. That was all he needed to say as that was the reason for his rejection. Since the glitch was a subject Andrew was unfamiliar with he could've asked for someone to provide information regarding the matter. He stated it was a well-known glitch, but provided no reference to it apart from his 'memory' which ended up being incorrect, and in no way attempted to even clarify the details about it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Barthax

    - Two reasons were present to vote no:

    1) Lack of evidence.

    2) The outside possibility of getting a glitch (even at a live event) unnoticed.

    False. There was only one reason to vote no, lack of evidence. If you'd watched the video and knew more about the game you'd have seen it was a TKG-4 board which the level warp is unable to be performed on.

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    Updated 08-01-2021 at 05:03 AM by Kibbey93
  19. dedmunds's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by lexmark

    It's not the first "KONG OFF" score to be rejected due to "no vid"!

    Once again, most of you's guys are the ones complaining that vid is all that counts! Nothing to do with what Barthax said.

    Stop blaming others.

    Right, anyways I am just trying to ask a question.

    Is there a way to have Barra's score reviewed if TGSAP as a verification method is not the go?

    I reiterate that with Barra's score completed within an official competition and all that goes with this (Competition rules and conditions, verified hardware, live completion / multiple witnesses, majority of the game recorded during the comp, so on & so forth), would this not be sufficient enough evidence to confirm the score is legitimate, and would it help if a TG Referee were willing to verify it?

    Regardless of whether other scores were accepted/not accepted from previous Kong-Offs (we have a vid, others may not have), you must agree evidence exists to validate this score (because it was achieved, i saw the bloody thing lol).

    Barra played an incredible game, which I and many witnesses confirmed. I am keen to know what options there may be to have that performance recognised.

    Can you please assist or confirm?

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  20. freeko's Avatar

    The first Kong Off happened I think before we gained control of twin galaxies. My memory is a bit fuzzy since its been 10 years or so at this point. I am certain it was at the original location of the arcade. Same as the Tron-off.

    I believe David Nelson was there in an official TG capacity for the tron-off as I spent almost all my time watching side stuff. At the time I only did so as a part owner of the arcade and had no interest in or with TG at the time. The most relevant was a certain vs. super mario bros. rivalry that was developing between isaiah and andrew as I believe they swapped the record score back and forth during the event.

    To this day I am supremely confident that it was not accidental that isaiah set his record score while I went home to sleep for a while. With no one watching him as closely as I was at the time, magically he finds an extra 100k or two to retake the record score.

    That little trip down memory lane aside, at the kong-off specifically there was an installation day before the actual competition. We went through all the cabinets and made sure they were up to snuff and all running on the same boards. Probably even caused the price of cabinets to shoot upwards in the process with how many we ended up getting our hands on. Everyone that had their own dedicated cabinet for the competition had some time to play so that they were satisfied their cabinet was working correctly.

    We also had cameras on every single one of the cabinets showing the gameplay. At the time I am almost certain it was still justin.tv at the time. There was another site involved with that as well that acted as a hub so someone could jump between one feed or another depending on which cabinets were going at the time. I did not want anything to do with the event proper as there were just too many damn people in the arcade, so I was not physically there during the kong-off aside from that initial setup day.

    It kinda sucks that things are the way they are now. Not only because I think the adjudication process is at best atrocious. It simply is not good enough to "take someone's word for it". Nor is there a way to perform a score live like there was in the past.

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