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07-11-2019 at 09:24 AM
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Accolade recording & leaderboards over time

An idea that's been brewing for some time & was more recently fleshed out by various events on the leaderboards.

Old TG (to about 2008, perhaps?) had a leaderboard of "most WRs" and this new era has several different ways to analyse "top dog" events. However, there's little to no history recorded in who had what, when. I was thinking of a graph function which records time vs. achievement for the leaderboards to show the history of changes taking place. Also a player page which tracks the accolades of the individuals - lots of players have targeted platform leaderboards, for example, so little badge awards with the time periods for when they achieved some top-dog stats, perhaps.

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  1. Marcade's Avatar

    I MEMBA!!!

    The "archive" web page searches are the best bet for those stats.

    Otherwise, to get an accurate daily history can be tough. To use your own words, "you will just be pissing against the wind". ;)

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  2. Jace Hall's Avatar

    Good ideas.

    Hopefully we will be able to really lean into the profile and history stuff like this as soon as we get the tournament system more debugged and functional.

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  3. Pixe Sukola's Avatar

    @Jace Hall I remember you posting something like: "What would you like to be fixed right away if you could choose one thing?" or something like that, and I couldn't think of something then but now I know and it is about the profile so I'll post it here hoping not to be bothering Barthax.

    It is the problem of the avatar of the 1st place not showing in the game leaderboard. It is frustrating to submit so many records and grind so much time and not being able to see my stupid face when I finally got first place in these games. Thanks.



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  4. SincerelyFranny's Avatar

    @Pixe Sukola

    This was a suggestion I also made when these scoreboard mock ups were created.
    It obviously never made it to the live site....
    I will follow up with @admin staff to see when we can add this. :)

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  5. RTM's Avatar

    Andrew, if you go to the "Dragster" dispute thread, final page 271, post #2708, I chronicled TG's top world record count holders for a specific time span largely relying on the "Way Back Machine", but it was do-able. Not sure if TG has access to the world record count at specific points in time, but what I used is at least a viable resource.

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/175364-Dispute-Dick-Moreland-Atari-2600-VCS-Dragster-NTSC-Game-1-Difficulty-B-Fastest-Time-Player-Todd-Rogers-Score-05-51/page271?highlight=omnigamer

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  6. Barthax's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by RTM

    Andrew, if you go to the "Dragster" dispute thread, final page 271, post #2708, I chronicled TG's top world record count holders for a specific time span largely relying on the "Way Back Machine", but it was do-able. Not sure if TG has access to the world record count at specific points in time, but what I used is at least a viable resource.

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/175364-Dispute-Dick-Moreland-Atari-2600-VCS-Dragster-NTSC-Game-1-Difficulty-B-Fastest-Time-Player-Todd-Rogers-Score-05-51/page271?highlight=omnigamer


    The Wayback Machine is a great resource. Thanks for the link and compilation. If TG are going to implement graphs over time, people are going to want to see how they stack up individually too (I know I do) and, for the most part, the achievements have dates against them for tallies to be produced. It's no small task and is complicated by individual scores being improved over time - if the data still holds what we both know as the old audit system (for the general reader: if an individual improved their own score, the old score was still there in the database).

  7. Snowflake's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Barthax



    The Wayback Machine is a great resource. Thanks for the link and compilation. If TG are going to implement graphs over time, people are going to want to see how they stack up individually too (I know I do) and, for the most part, the achievements have dates against them for tallies to be produced. It's no small task and is complicated by individual scores being improved over time - if the data still holds what we both know as the old audit system (for the general reader: if an individual improved their own score, the old score was still there in the database).


    old scores are not purged, but i'm not sure theres antying i'd call an audit system per se. i know this because links to old scores of mine still worked after newer scores were accepted. if you know the particular score you're searching for, you can look through the "accepted" archives. i believe thats even categorized by player and game, so you have some chance of filtering.

    if you wanna ask "who was first place in january 2017" -- well that could be pretty tough, whereas looking a particular players history of scores is fairly easy. naturally, with some work, you could look at the history of every player on the chart and figure it out from that, but that does not sound fun.

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  8. Snowflake's Avatar

    oh, and i dont know if you want to deal with the complexity of purged scores. for example, TG acknowledges steve weibe as the first to a million, so does that mean from your point of view he held first place during that time period? intellivsion, atari (vcs and computers) had ALOT of mass removals so the question isnt just some fringe case if you care about those platforms

  9. Barthax's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake



    old scores are not purged, but i'm not sure theres antying i'd call an audit system per se. i know this because links to old scores of mine still worked after newer scores were accepted. if you know the particular score you're searching for, you can look through the "accepted" archives. i believe thats even categorized by player and game, so you have some chance of filtering.

    if you wanna ask "who was first place in january 2017" -- well that could be pretty tough, whereas looking a particular players history of scores is fairly easy. naturally, with some work, you could look at the history of every player on the chart and figure it out from that, but that does not sound fun.

    I'm aware the TGSAP stuff is retained. The reference to "old audit system" was in the 2004~2009 era web site which retained all logged scores but only "published" the highest non-disputed. I don't know if this information was purged during the Pete B. overhaul in 2010 (which is the basis for the modern TG database, from memory).

  10. Barthax's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

    oh, and i dont know if you want to deal with the complexity of purged scores. for example, TG acknowledges steve weibe as the first to a million, so does that mean from your point of view he held first place during that time period? intellivsion, atari (vcs and computers) had ALOT of mass removals so the question isnt just some fringe case if you care about those platforms

    Accolades like "first million on x" weren't really something that I'd considered with this idea. It was more "what the scoreboard already tracks". Hey, if someone can piece together how such "first [...]" algorithms would work and TG considers it within computing power, sounds like something else to add to the list. :)

    My view on the purging: the algorithm needs to be created to generate the view of the scores in the first place, so the algorithm exists to re-generate post-purge - it just may take time to catch up across the entire scoreboard.

  11. Rogerpoco's Avatar

    Lol, I know you aren't necessarily looking for "look at me" examples, but one of my proudest things I've done here falls into what you are trying to note, I believe-

    I got my Odyssey 2, with 25 games, and they were exactly the right games-I went from having never seen an Odyssey2 to being the overall leader on the system, with ONLY the games I got with it(flash came later), in about a month-I've picked my way up several leaderboards, but that one stands out to me as a little special, "meteoric rise", haha!

    ;)


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  12. Snowflake's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogerpoco

    Lol, I know you aren't necessarily looking for "look at me" examples, but one of my proudest things I've done here falls into what you are trying to note, I believe-

    I got my Odyssey 2, with 25 games, and they were exactly the right games-I went from having never seen an Odyssey2 to being the overall leader on the system, with ONLY the games I got with it(flash came later), in about a month-I've picked my way up several leaderboards, but that one stands out to me as a little special, "meteoric rise", haha!

    ;)



    i'm going into sore loser mode now, and i'm admitting that, and hopefully the admission of it with limit the bad looksomewhat

    when psi first came out (predecessor to esi), it did take into account everyone you beat to figure out your score where those socres were tgsap or not. however, when you calculating your esi it only looked at your tgsap scores. so tgsap scores did and ddint count. when calculating your score it only counted your tgsaps, but it counted everyones total scores

    as a result, since the majority of many peoples scores where pre-tgsap i was temporarily number 1. and outside of 3 test submissoin on submissions (technically my first 3 subs, all innaugrals and therefore records at the time fyi) on the genesis, i started on odyssey 2.

    when people got credit for their pre-tgsap rtm took over first spot and i had alreayd moved onto arcade and atari. no big deal, i can always come back to o2 later. but then damn it roger came in pushing it further

    so this is what barthax is talking about. i want some record that i use to be #1 there!!!!!!

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  13. Rogerpoco's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake



    i'm going into sore loser mode now, and i'm admitting that, and hopefully the admission of it with limit the bad looksomewhat

    when psi first came out (predecessor to esi), it did take into account everyone you beat to figure out your score where those socres were tgsap or not. however, when you calculating your esi it only looked at your tgsap scores. so tgsap scores did and ddint count. when calculating your score it only counted your tgsaps, but it counted everyones total scores

    as a result, since the majority of many peoples scores where pre-tgsap i was temporarily number 1. and outside of 3 test submissoin on submissions (technically my first 3 subs, all innaugrals and therefore records at the time fyi) on the genesis, i started on odyssey 2.

    when people got credit for their pre-tgsap rtm took over first spot and i had alreayd moved onto arcade and atari. no big deal, i can always come back to o2 later. but then damn it roger came in pushing it further

    so this is what barthax is talking about. i want some record that i use to be #1 there!!!!!!


    Ironically, I've had a bit of a workaround for that on my "about me" on my personal page here-

    I have my leaderboard positions listed, but I refer to them as "highest positions attained"(or something like that), so I'll always get to say I WAS #1 on NDS, tho I'll never catch Rodrigo now, etc, etc,!

    ;)

    (Hey...there's Mario Kart on NDS...hmmm...).


    That's just one way to do it I guess, and I've had it that way for a while, so this idea has honestly occurred to me before.


    Would be fun to butt heads with you on O2 someday-you're more skilled than me, IMO, but I have a LOT left in the tank on that system that I'm saving for later.

    :)

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