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08-19-2019 at 03:55 AM
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Help with Disputes

This is a plea for community help and administrator action with open and stale disputes. For several submissions that I adjudicated, I brought up reasons why the submission is invalid. Unfotunately, the way the adjudication system works, sometimes there's not enough time for others to agree or debate my points or change their vote once the adjudication 'timer' is set. The submission went through and the disputes that I started sit 'parked in the mud', some for several months. I think these disputes are valid and really cut-n-dry. No need to analyze code or hire 3rd parties to form an opinion on score validity and conforming with stated rules.

Please take a look at these disputes and if you agree that these aren't valid submission per the rules stated, please vote Yes and maybe there's enough community 'sway' to get the @admin staff , @Jace Hall , or @Dave Hawksett to act.

Thank you to those that took the time to review and respond to the dispute.


Older Disputes:

VIOLATION OF DEFAULT SETTINGS

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/202876-Dispute-Shaun-Michaud-PlayStation-2-Tony-Hawk-s-Underground-2-PAL-New-Orleans-Best-Combo-Player-Johnny-Bonde-Score-2-554-166


VIOLATION OF SPECIAL RULES

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/201920-Dispute-Shaun-Michaud-PlayStation-2-Tony-Hawk-s-Pro-Skater-4-PAL-Chicago-Single-Session-Points-Player-Johnny-Bonde-Score-3-500-443


New Dispute:

WRONG TRACK

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/208284-Dispute-Shaun-Michaud-Xbox-360-Forza-Motorsport-3-Camino-Viejo-de-Montserrat-Extreme-Circuit-Race-5-Laps-Time-No-Rewind-Player-Andrew-Peter-Mee-Score-13-07-059


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  1. GibGirl's Avatar

    Yeah, this could easily be extended to a number of other "open-and-shut" disputes on there. Games that don't exist, scores that don't make any sense on the track, etc.

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  2. Jace Hall's Avatar

    I will look at these


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  3. Jace Hall's Avatar

    Post a list of all the "no brainers" and I will go through them and verify.

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  4. MyOwnWorstEnemy's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Jace Hall

    I will look at these


    Much appreciated!


  5. GibGirl's Avatar

    Thanks, @Jace Hall - here's a few more "no-brainers".

    This game doesn't even exist. The score, track, and game should be removed.

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/196475-Dispute-Angela-Stefanski-Atari-Jaguar-The-Space-Marine-Default-settings-Player-Paul-Hicks-Score-1-175-850


    This score makes no sense for the game. The score and track should be removed.

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/184760-Dispute-Sean-Dwyer-Atari-Jaguar-Doom-Default-Settings-Player-Stephen-Knox-Score-9


    This score is just "Default Settings" for a title that's actually a collection of multiple games, and therefore doesn't make sense. The score and track should be removed.

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/188166-Dispute-Sean-Dwyer-Sega-Saturn-Capcom-Generation-5-NTSC-Default-Settings-Points-Player-Jonathan-Elson-Score-938-600


    This score makes no sense for the game. The score and track should be removed.

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/202377-Dispute-Angela-Stefanski-Atari-Jaguar-Iron-Soldier-Completed-Player-Dave-Homenuck-Score-250

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  6. Jace Hall's Avatar

    Handled. Thank you.

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  7. starcrytas's Avatar

    @Jace Hall

    I went through the dispute forum and came across a bunch of easy disputes from outright impossible times, to wrong digits, and missing evidence. I'm sure that I missed many other easy disputes, but here's what I came across:



    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/188042-Dispute-Pete-Hahn-Sega-Saturn-Darius-Twin-NTSC-default-settings-Player-Stephen-Krogman-Score-5-365-200

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/188578-Dispute-Brandon-Finton-Nintendo-64-Excitebike-64-NTSC-Kyoto-Japan-Fastest-Lap-Player-John-Pompa-Score-28-46-0

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/game/gran-turismo-3-a-spec/playstation-2/ntsc-arcade-mode-easy-difficulty-class-b-trial-mountain-circuit-fastest-race/

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/184563-Dispute-Sean-Dwyer-Nintendo-Game-Cube-Mario-Party-6-NTSC-Sunday-Drivers-Points-Player-Mr-Kelly-R-Flewin-Score-14

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/183746-Dispute-Matthew-Felix-Nintendo-Wii-Virtual-Console-Wave-Race-64-N64-Drake-Lake-Normal-Course-Fastest-Race-Player-Magnus-Andersson-Score-34-97

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/181760-Dispute-Kyle-Nelson-NES-FAMICOM-DISK-Formula-1-Built-To-Win-NTSC-Formula-1-Mexican-GP-Fastest-Race-Player-Ryan-Johnson-Score-01-04-099

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/200739-Dispute-Sean-Dwyer-SNES-SFC-On-The-Ball-NTSC-1st-Plane-Training-Course-Fastest-Completion-Player-Ryan-Johnson-Score-05-8

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/196648-Dispute-Angela-Stefanski-Atari-Jaguar-Primal-Rage-Arcade-default-settings-Player-Stephen-Knox-Score-113-207

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/202970-Dispute-Rodrigo-Lopes-Nintendo-Game-Cube-Mario-Kart-Double-Dash-PAL-Peach-Beach-Fastest-Lap-Player-Magnus-Andersson-Score-11-804

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/200281-Dispute-Sean-Dwyer-SNES-SFC-On-The-Ball-NTSC-1st-Plane-Training-Course-Fastest-Completion-Player-Roger-Edwin-Blair-111-Score-05-2




    Wrong Digit

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/199877-Dispute-Reina-Adair-Arcade-Street-Fighter-III-New-Generation-Points-Tournament-Settings-Player-Brandon-Lloyd-Score-2-104-514

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/199579-Dispute-Reina-Adair-Arcade-Super-Puzzle-Fighter-2-Turbo-Points-Player-Brandon-Lloyd-Score-342-811

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/199500-Dispute-Reina-Adair-Arcade-Super-Puzzle-Fighter-2-Turbo-Points-Player-Leo-Daniels-Score-461-759

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/199383-Dispute-Reina-Adair-Arcade-Super-Puzzle-Fighter-2-Turbo-Points-Player-Chris-Delfs-Score-314-517

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/199320-Dispute-Reina-Adair-Arcade-Super-Puzzle-Fighter-2-Turbo-Points-Player-Stephen-Krogman-Score-445-792

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/201720-Dispute-Evan-Weston-Arcade-Super-Street-Fighter-II-Turbo-Points-Tournament-Settings-Player-Jesse-Cardenas-Score-445-101

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/201489-Dispute-Evan-Weston-Arcade-Street-Fighter-III-New-Generation-Points-Tournament-Settings-Player-Andre-Bellamy-Score-1-161-403

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/201465-Dispute-Evan-Weston-Arcade-Street-Fighter-III-New-Generation-Points-Tournament-Settings-Player-William-Hays-IV-Score-1-180-202

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/198261-Dispute-Reina-Adair-Arcade-Super-Puzzle-Fighter-2-Turbo-Points-Player-Dennis-Tiangco-Score-492-218

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/200059-Dispute-Reina-Adair-Arcade-Street-Fighter-III-New-Generation-Points-Tournament-Settings-Player-Martin-Ribbins-Score-1-219-604

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/199959-Dispute-Evan-Weston-Arcade-Street-Fighter-III-2nd-Impact-Points-Tournament-Settings-Player-Bob-Tanchuk-Score-4-062-321



    Missing Evidence:


    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/189749-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PC-Computer-Space-(1971)-Saucer-Attack-Blowout!-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-17

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/189732-Dispute-william-rosa-iOS-Piano-Tiles-Don-t-Tap-the-White-Tile-Zen-5x5-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-208

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/189704-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-iOS-Piano-Tiles-Don-t-Tap-the-White-Tile-Zen-15-quot-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-107

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/189690-Dispute-william-rosa-iOS-Piano-Tiles-Don-t-Tap-the-White-Tile-Classic-Fastest-Completion-25-tiles-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-03-016

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/189663-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-iOS-Piano-Tiles-Don-t-Tap-the-White-Tile-Zen-Pro-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-183

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/189619-Dispute-william-rosa-iOS-Piano-Tiles-Don-t-Tap-the-White-Tile-Classic-6x6-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-06-066

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/189604-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-iOS-Angry-Birds-Flock-Favorites-29-3-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-82-900

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/190052-Dispute-william-rosa-Xbox-360-Live-Arcade-Geometry-Wars-Retro-Evolved-2-NTSC-Waves-Points-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-4-245-390

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/190026-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-2-We-Love-Katamari-NTSC-As-Large-as-Possible-4-Diameter-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-30

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/190003-Dispute-william-rosa-PlayStation-2-We-Love-Katamari-NTSC-As-Large-as-Possible-2-Diameter-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-1

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/189992-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PC-Oniken-Stage-4-Enemy-Supply-Route-Points-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-8-916

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/189958-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PC-Oniken-Stage-3-Ice-Fortress-Points-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-8-893

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/189957-Dispute-william-rosa-PlayStation-2-We-Love-Katamari-NTSC-As-Large-as-Possible-1-Diameter-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-32

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/189910-Dispute-william-rosa-PC-Oniken-Stage-2-Battleship-Raid-Points-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-10-176

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/189899-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PC-Oniken-Stage-1-Resistance-Base-Points-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-9-523

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/189871-Dispute-william-rosa-PC-Minesweeper-Beginner-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-06-12

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/189846-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PC-Hotline-Miami-The-Metro-(Points)-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-30-367

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/190398-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-2-We-Love-Katamari-NTSC-Flowers-As-Many-Flowers-As-Possible-Diameter-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-2

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/190300-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-2-We-Love-Katamari-NTSC-Roll-Up-the-Sun-Number-of-Celestial-Bodies-Points-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-6-417

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/190247-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-2-We-Love-Katamari-NTSC-Zoo-As-Many-Friends-As-Possible-Number-of-Animals-Points-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-280

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/190204-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-2-We-Love-Katamari-NTSC-Zoo-As-Many-Friends-As-Possible-Diameter-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-10

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/190147-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-2-We-Love-Katamari-NTSC-Cloud-Diameter-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-893

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/190126-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-2-We-Love-Katamari-NTSC-Bonfire-Small-Diameter-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-4

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/190095-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-2-We-Love-Katamari-NTSC-Bonfire-Medium-Diameter-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-4

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/190065-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-2-We-Love-Katamari-NTSC-Bonfire-Large-Diameter-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-8

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/190343-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-2-We-Love-Katamari-NTSC-Cloud-Number-of-Clouds-Points-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-497

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/191069-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-3-PSN-Geometry-Wars-3-Dimensions-Evolved-Single-Player-Adventure-Level-18-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-7-497-550

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/191037-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-3-PSN-Geometry-Wars-3-Dimensions-Evolved-Single-Player-Adventure-Level-17-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-16-910-735

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/190999-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-3-PSN-Geometry-Wars-3-Dimensions-Evolved-Single-Player-Adventure-Level-16-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-10-877-395

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/190948-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-3-PSN-Geometry-Wars-3-Dimensions-Evolved-Single-Player-Adventure-Level-15-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-2-746-090

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/190909-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-3-PSN-Geometry-Wars-3-Dimensions-Evolved-Single-Player-Adventure-Level-14-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-4-907-565

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/190838-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-3-PSN-Geometry-Wars-3-Dimensions-Evolved-Single-Player-Adventure-Level-13-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-1-404-425

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/190787-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-3-PSN-Geometry-Wars-3-Dimensions-Evolved-Single-Player-Adventure-Level-12-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-10-767-800

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/190718-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-3-PSN-Geometry-Wars-3-Dimensions-Evolved-Single-Player-Adventure-Level-11-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-10-965-610

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/190645-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-2-We-Love-Katamari-NTSC-Flowers-As-Fast-As-Possible-Fastest-Completion-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-01-21-0

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/190567-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-2-We-Love-Katamari-NTSC-Collecting-Cousins-Fastest-Completion-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-05-13-0

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/190523-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-2-We-Love-Katamari-NTSC-Paper-Cranes-Number-of-Cranes-Points-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-952

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/190484-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-2-We-Love-Katamari-NTSC-Paper-Cranes-Diameter-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-1

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/190430-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-2-We-Love-Katamari-NTSC-Flowers-As-Many-Flowers-As-Possible-Number-of-Flowers-Points-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-1-186

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/191233-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-3-PSN-Geometry-Wars-3-Dimensions-Evolved-Single-Player-Adventure-Level-22-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-867-195

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/191143-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-3-PSN-Geometry-Wars-3-Dimensions-Evolved-Single-Player-Adventure-Level-21-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-2-065-985

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/191097-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-3-PSN-Geometry-Wars-3-Dimensions-Evolved-Single-Player-Adventure-Level-19-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-5-003-990

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/192435-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-Playstation-4-PSN-Super-Meat-Boy-The-Forest-1-7-Diverge-(fastest-time)-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-03-37

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/192391-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-Playstation-4-PSN-Super-Meat-Boy-The-Forest-1-8-The-Bit-(fastest-time)-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-01-92

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/192341-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-Playstation-4-PSN-Super-Meat-Boy-The-Forest-1-9-Safety-Third-(fastest-time)-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-04-7

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/192309-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-3-PSN-Geometry-Wars-3-Dimensions-Evolved-Single-Player-Ultimate-Level-14-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-6-199-645

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/192271-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-3-PSN-Geometry-Wars-3-Dimensions-Evolved-Single-Player-Classic-Mode-Pacifism-Classic-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-223-892-750

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/192193-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-3-PSN-Geometry-Wars-3-Dimensions-Evolved-Single-Player-Adventure-Level-9-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-6-610-890

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/192061-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-3-PSN-Geometry-Wars-3-Dimensions-Evolved-Single-Player-Adventure-Level-8-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-16-255-975

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/192026-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-3-PSN-Geometry-Wars-3-Dimensions-Evolved-Single-Player-Adventure-Level-7-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-5-179-055

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/191972-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-3-PSN-Geometry-Wars-3-Dimensions-Evolved-Single-Player-Adventure-Level-6-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-7-918-070

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/191927-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-3-PSN-Geometry-Wars-3-Dimensions-Evolved-Single-Player-Adventure-Level-5-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-4-877-535

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/191661-Dispute-Simon-Leitch-PlayStation-3-PSN-Geometry-Wars-3-Dimensions-Evolved-Single-Player-Adventure-Level-28-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-11-907-895

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/199920-Dispute-william-rosa-Xbox-360-Live-Arcade-Geometry-Wars-Retro-Evolved-2-NTSC-Pacifism-Points-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-615-748-725

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/189930-Dispute-WILLIAM-MCEVOY-Speedruns-Minesweeper-Fastest-Completion-Beginner-Player-Joe-Jackmovich-Score-06-12

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    Updated 08-20-2019 at 07:05 PM by starcrytas
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  9. Jace Hall's Avatar

    I have reviewed the requested disputes. Thank you.

  10. Snowflake's Avatar

    [QUOTE=Jace Hall;bt46893]

    I have reviewed the requested disputes. Thank you.

    [/QUOTE]


    much appreciated jace. if its worth your time, i'd make a similar "no brainer" list for track creations to be removed. for example, theres alot of tracks where the initial creator realized an error such as being a duplicate and formally request noone donate points. or tracks where the creator chose the wrong platform, so a track for a game that doesnt exist on that platform. i'd love to see the clutter cleared there, and i'd be willing to do the leg work to find those most obvious ones

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake



    much appreciated jace. if its worth your time, i'd make a similar "no brainer" list for track creations to be removed. for example, theres alot of tracks where the initial creator realized an error such as being a duplicate and formally request noone donate points. or tracks where the creator chose the wrong platform, so a track for a game that doesnt exist on that platform. i'd love to see the clutter cleared there, and i'd be willing to do the leg work to find those most obvious ones


    Yes, Please! :)

  12. Jace Hall's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by SincerelyFranny



    Yes, Please! :)


    Please do. We will clean it up.

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  13. GibGirl's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Jace Hall

    I have reviewed the requested disputes. Thank you.


    A question - when will the scores from the accepted disputes start being removed?

  14. starcrytas's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Jace Hall

    I have reviewed the requested disputes. Thank you.

    If the score is removed because of missing evidence, will there be credibility loss?

  15. HectorTelloc's Avatar

    I'm curious, why is all of Joe Jackmovich's scores being disputed? Wasn't having evidence on YouTube well accepted at the time, I know he requested to be removed in general, but his scores were approved.

  16. Snowflake's Avatar

    [QUOTE=HectorTelloc;bt46903]

    I'm curious, why is all of Joe Jackmovich's scores being disputed? Wasn't having evidence on YouTube well accepted at the time, I know he requested to be removed in general, but his scores were approved.

    [/QUOTE]


    it was accepted but came with the warning that when the dispute system goes live, if evidence goes missing the scores can be removed and credibiity will be lost. to be fair, although players were warned of this, the warnings were in threads not everyone might see. also, people were encouraged to "vote what they believe" while simultaneously being warned elsewhere, that evne if the score is real and evidence is gone the score can be removed and credibilty hit. thats not techniclaly a contradiction, but i can see where it feels like one. you've hit on a controversial issue, as obvioulsy people who did vote on a score they believed to be good based on evidence at the time arent happy about the prospect of losing cred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake



    it was accepted but came with the warning that when the dispute system goes live, if evidence goes missing the scores can be removed and credibiity will be lost. to be fair, although players were warned of this, the warnings were in threads not everyone might see. also, people were encouraged to "vote what they believe" while simultaneously being warned elsewhere, that evne if the score is real and evidence is gone the score can be removed and credibilty hit. thats not techniclaly a contradiction, but i can see where it feels like one. you've hit on a controversial issue, as obvioulsy people who did vote on a score they believed to be good based on evidence at the time arent happy about the prospect of losing cred.

    Makes sense.

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