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09-26-2019 at 01:11 PM
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TGSAP dissapointment

This submission should have been rejected due to not using the correct software and yet it was accepted and I just took a 5% hit for no reason other than blind voters and a stubborn submitter.

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/209890

This make me want to go back to my previous state of not giving a shiatt about the pending queue anymore and just focusing on voting on mine and a couple of people that I really trust (Roger and Rodrigo).

I dont even feel like wasting my time disputing this thing. F this, I'll just focus on ESI and WRs from now on. Stupid blind voters have done it again.

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  1. Barthax's Avatar

    A dispute is started. I've added my known historical notes to the dispute thread.

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  2. swaggers's Avatar

    This is insanity that this went through. This is the problem with Everdrives and Soft Mods is now there is a thread for people to pull and suddenly it's just ok to submit games on a Wii under Virtual Console that are instead running a outside emulator??? WTF people.

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  3. Snowflake's Avatar

    ug thats horrendous. i'll leave a longer comment in the dispute

    apologies in advance, i'm gonna muddy it up with "theoretically maybe this should be ok, and we can discus changing rules, but for now this is an egregious violation".

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  4. swaggers's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

    "theoretically maybe this should be ok".

    Why should this be ok at all? The tracks are for games run through the Wii Virtual Console and have their own file types and execution. This is running a emulator on a Wii and calling it VC? I can't see anything about this that is remotely correct.

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  5. Snowflake's Avatar

    i left a more expanded comment in the thread. what i mean is, i wouldnt mind seeing the wii virtual console wiped out as a platform as well as nes mini and any other emulaiton platofrom. just merge all emulation platforms into an emu category

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  6. Snowflake's Avatar

    ^wiped out is also wrong word. i am NOT saying delte any scores. i'm saying merge. i'm saying i'd be ok with treating all emu as the same. however, thats not the case yet so it would be wrong of us to mix and match at the present time

  7. sdwyer138's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

    i left a more expanded comment in the thread. what i mean is, i wouldnt mind seeing the wii virtual console wiped out as a platform as well as nes mini and any other emulaiton platofrom. just merge all emulation platforms into an emu category

    I tend to agree with emu is emu, regardless of if it is on a computer, or a different console, or a "mini" console or whatever. Curious Bill under this frame of mind, how you feel compilation re-releases would fall? Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection for example. It has a bunch of Genesis games, but was released for and plays natively on the PS3/360.


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  8. Snowflake's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by sdwyer138


    I tend to agree with emu is emu, regardless of if it is on a computer, or a different console, or a "mini" console or whatever. Curious Bill under this frame of mind, how you feel compilation re-releases would fall? Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection for example. It has a bunch of Genesis games, but was released for and plays natively on the PS3/360.



    well again, were taling about a future theoretical rule and not the current rule so lets make that clear.

    but sure, i wouldnt mind seeing people being allowed to submit the genesis compilation -- which is believe was identical on PSP, PS2 and maybe something else at the time as well -- under emu. However! the reverse is not true. I would not be ok with some playing a genesis game on a pc emu and submitting under PSP genesis colelction.

    fyi, i played ALOT of altered beast and ghosts on goblins on a psp genesis complilation, i'm familiar with the disc. why i remember when psp was all the rave taking a new girlfriend to a hotel room and playing my psp most of the time. priorities.

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  9. thegamer1185's Avatar

    To the original post. Yep, there are a **** load of blind voters out there right now it seems. But damn, that submissions you are talking about has 3 pages of questions. You would think it would be looked at a little bit. As for it being rejected, I see what you are saying but it was still being debated pretty well so I don't think it would have rejected any time soon. Accepted though? Yep, no bueno.

    So I think the biggest issue we are running into now is that there are so many blind voters out there, and they seem to have built up enough CR that they are actually passing scores through now. That is a huge issue. Think about it. If everyone in that thread simply didn't vote, I highly doubt there are enough "true" voters out there that pasted it through without commenting and fear of losing the dreaded CR. I'm willing to bet it's a guarantee high CR people didn't vote on that submission yet. This can only mean that their are enough blind voters with enough CR power to push through submissions on their own. Not a good deal.

    At least people are actively voting now and things are passing through at record pace. Datagod got his wish, haha.

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  10. thegamer1185's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by swaggers

    This is insanity that this went through. This is the problem with Everdrives and Soft Mods is now there is a thread for people to pull and suddenly it's just ok to submit games on a Wii under Virtual Console that are instead running a outside emulator??? WTF people.

    HEY...easy on the Everdrive talk. Soft mods is still open for debate in my book, but you just leave the Everdrive crap out of this. Oooooo you are so lucky there is a computer screen between us. OOOOOOOO, so lucky. Dorothy Everdrive is a saint!!

  11. Ninglendo's Avatar

    I remember making a post about weeding out blind voters and then blind voters came on the post and said it wasnt a good idea to do that. Go figure.

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  12. thegamer1185's Avatar

    Could it be that most people who submit now are so careful with our submitting that there are hardly every any mistakes so the blind voters aren't losing any CR because ALL submissions are accepts? More like 98% are accepts but you know what I mean. I say we all purposely submit 100 incorrect scores to get their CR rock bottom. That will solve their blind voting power.

  13. Snowflake's Avatar

    kyle, i dont know if you're serious, but the idea has been tried. Rotunda a few times purposely tested people -- or at least claimed it was just a test after he got caught. Bensweeneyonbass definitely was vocal about that for a while, but i think alot of us had some issue with it. Thats problematic for a few reaons. for one, people learn who's testing them and just forever abstain on these people so you wind up screwing yourself. but more imporantly, once we start doing that, whats stoping a cheater, when caught, from just saying "oh i wasnt cheating i was testing you, congrats, you passed".

    the idea sounds good in theory, but i'd only be ok with admin doing it. if admin wants to make some fake accounts and do it, awesome. but for us to take that upon ourselves could just be abused to easily.

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  14. thegamer1185's Avatar

    Wasn't serious.

  15. Marcade's Avatar

    They live among us all!

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  17. Barthax's Avatar

    TG today permits people to create tracks of their own choosing. If someone disagrees with "emulation is emulation" then they can just create a new track with their own rules on what is or isn't permitted. So pursuing the "merge" is a fruitless task, IMO as anyone can simply undo any merge intentions with a new track. :P

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  18. Barthax's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by thegamer1185

    Could it be that most people who submit now are so careful with our submitting that there are hardly every any mistakes so the blind voters aren't losing any CR because ALL submissions are accepts? More like 98% are accepts but you know what I mean. I say we all purposely submit 100 incorrect scores to get their CR rock bottom. That will solve their blind voting power.

    That's simply not a good idea. I would recommend people (including me) that highlight a problem with a submission stop using "Voting No", "Rejected" or other similar words. Still leave the comment about how something isn't write but just avoid mentioning the obvious vote scenario.

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  19. thegamer1185's Avatar

    Are you guys sure you don't want to create a bunch of fake scores? Come on, it will be fun. We can have popcorn, marshmallows, if somebody has the cool mom they can get the big bars of Hershey's and we can make smores! Have our own cool club?!

    P.S. I was just joking about making false scores thing. It would only take one of us to make 5 fake scores and then check CR after they clear to see who took the hit to find the blind voters but whatever. Thanks for ruining my weekend plans. Guess I'll spend time with my family now, dicks! (Joking again)

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  20. Snowflake's Avatar

    Stella blue found my 5.509 dragster with no video got four yes votes. One I think was intentionally to stick it to Todd. One was clearly blind. No idea about the other two

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