• Verification Clarification

    If so enough for me to say I will not use new TG. I will for sure also not use my 2nd class right to post on the forums cause I don't like to get treated as a 2nd class user only cause I would prefer a 2nd option without investing money.
    There are no "2nd class" TG users. There are users that have decided that becoming verified is important enough to them to take the steps necessary to do so - and there are users that have decided that it is not that important to them. No judgements are made. This is personal choice.

    However, you absolutely entitled to your opinion on the matter - and as was mentioned before, no one has any expectations or is forcing anyone to do anything. It is all your choice.

    I will make it clear again to you that Twin Galaxies makes no money from the verification process.

    In fact, for each user that is verified, Twin Galaxies has to PAY for that service.

    What this means is that while Twin Galaxies is willing to invest its own money into you for the verification process, you are not willing to do the same for yourself.

    This means that you are in a questionable position when trying to take the moral or ethical high ground on this issue when you are not even willing to put forth what TG is putting forth along with you.
    Regardless of reason, this is an indication that you are not ready, interested, or able to be ready to participate in the various requirements that maybe involved to compete and be recognized on a worldwide stage at a professionally respected level. In fact, there are no significant and popular worldwide sports organizations at the professionally recognized level where you would not need to make a single phone call ever or have a verifiable phone number in order to participate.

    For a user to become verified so that they to participate at the professional level within the Twin Galaxies community, Twin Galaxies is not asking for anything outside of what is considered normal for any top level organization. You can disagree if you want. That is your option. We totally respect you and your desire not to meet the current requirements.

    Do you guys really think this is the right way to keep people interested in TG ?
    Yes we do think this is the right way to keep people interested in TG. In fact, this kind of scrutinized process has been long overdue. The people who choose to participate in TG need to know that everything is being taken seriously. They need to know that their efforts toward achievement is valued and placed in high regard. They need to know that the hours that they put into going for a record is worth it. TG users need to know that there are systemic methods put in place to weed out the non-serious people who would detract from the overall perception of video game achievement being respected.

    When verified users interact with each other, they can at least know that they both have taken formal steps of commitment to the process of worldwide recognition. They both can know that each other are real people and that TG is working tirelessly to ensure that. There is a tighter sense of community. This knowledge can help elevate the community and the level of respect between players. It certainly can elevate an outsider's viewpoint (for instance the media.)

    Twin Galaxies is a serious organization, focused on recognizing player achievement and elevating the players and culture at large. If you don't want to participate, that is ok. No one is making you. If you think the verification process is "too much" or invasive or whatever, that is fine. There are many other places on the net that you can go and report high scores - you are free to go use them and be happy. If you feel "2nd class" for some reason, that is a construct you have created in your own mind. No one here is saying that - however, Twin Galaxies is not interested in compromising the credibility of its players, processes or its scores at it moves forward.

    Everyone is treated equally here. Everyone is subject to the same rules and requirements. There is no deviation from this.

    In regard to the question of "What if a user doesn't have a phone?" This is the official response:

    By deciding that verification is for you, you are asking to participate in a professional level video game organization that is focused on generating worldwide recognition for achievements. So, just as if you wanted to play in professional Tennis tournaments, you would need a Tennis racquet which requires some investment into yourself and your chosen sport- Similarly, in order to fully participate within TG you will need to meet some requirements. Call-in verification is one of them - and it is for you to decide if that investment into yourself is worth it. As mentioned above, TG does not get any money from the process, and in fact has to invest along WITH YOU to get you verified.

    If you honestly can't afford to make a phone call but still want to compete, be promoted and recognized in video game scores against others on a world class level, then Twin Galaxies suggests that you may have a prioritization issue and certainly an incomplete view of the kinds of resources that are involved in actively participating in any professional level sports organization at a contributor level.

    As mentioned above, there are many other places where you can submit scores that will not have the steeper requirements of Twin Galaxies. There is something out there for everyone and that is great.

    Twin Galaxies policy will not be changing on the matter of verification. It is evenly applied to all, and it is totally optional.

    Thank you for you your understanding.
    Article: User Verification has arrived! Jace Hall
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    1. KIG666's Avatar
      KIG666 -
      Do you guys really think this is the right way to keep people interested in TG ?
      You got me wrong here maybe I was not clear enough.

      What I really wanted to ask was do you guys really think to limit the verification method to phone only is the best idea.

      A limitation or exclusion should be never an option. You already exclude members like dfonda and Juan Castellanos.

      You can of course take it serious but you know what you take it waaaay too serious for my taste.

      Gaming is a hobby for most of us it isn't esports or sports in general. As long as you don't plan to pay for every WR your comparison is invalid again.

      So you basically telling me that TG doesn't get the money from the phone calls ?

      Oh then why not offer a free option that way TG could save their money for more important things ;)

      With a copy of the passport for example you would have at least the real identity of the user but you have just a phone number.

      Just imagine the poilce stops you and would ask for your phone number instead of passport..

      The police officer says you can go we have your mobile phone number hahaha

      I don't buy this story cause like I said so many times now a phone number tells nothing about your identity.

      Like I said before your phone only method degrades quite some users no question.

      You can agree with me or not but his has already created a 2 class system. Members like Juan Castellanos, dfonda and myself are already excluded.

      I feel like a 2nd class user no matter if you say that isn't the case i feel like one right now and that what counts for me.
    1. Jace Hall's Avatar
      Jace Hall -
      You got me wrong here maybe I was not clear enough.

      What I really wanted to ask was do you guys really think to limit the verification method to phone only is the best idea.
      YES.

      A limitation or exclusion should be never an option. You already exclude members like dfonda and Juan Castellanos.
      We disagree. Limitations, exclusions and requirements must exist for any professional level game organization in order to create scarcity and value for the players and members who are making all the sacrifices and commitments required to participate in that organization to receive the benefits.

      You can of course take it serious but you know what you take it waaaay too serious for my taste.
      We absolutely take the matter of world records quite seriously. Obviously, your statement indicates that you do not, and that is probably the core of the issue here.

      Gaming is a hobby for most of us it isn't esports or sports in general. As long as you don't plan to pay for every WR your comparison is invalid again.
      You may be happier visiting a website that views professional level player achievement and world wide recognition as just a simple hobby. Twin Galaxies is not that place.

      So you basically telling me that TG doesn't get the money from the phone calls ?
      We are not basically telling you this. We are definitively telling you this.

      I don't buy this story cause like I said so many times now a phone number tells nothing about your identity.
      There is no story for you to "buy." It is a simple requirement if you want verified access, nothing more nothing less. It is evenly applied to all.

      You can agree with me or not but his has already created a 2 class system. Members like Juan Castellanos, dfonda and myself are already excluded.
      You are attempting to frame the situation to meet your own emotional needs and agenda on this issue. That is fine. You must do whatever makes you feel comfortable. However, please know that saying that there is a 2 class system that TG is creating because you are specifically choosing not to do something that you and everyone else is free to do, does not make logical sense. If you visit this website and choose never to post a message because you don't want people to know what you think, is that suddenly a 2 class system too? (Users who post, and users who don't?) Regardless of your confusing assessment - the fact is that everyone at Twin Galaxies is equally invited into the system under the exact same conditions and requirements. Either a user wants to conform to them or not. It's totally fine.

      I feel like a 2nd class user no matter if you say that isn't the case i feel like one right now and that what counts for me
      .

      We are sorry to hear that but unfortunately we can not control the way that you choose to feel. That is under your control. Perhaps in the future you may decide to feel differently - but again, there is nothing we can do about it either way.

      Thanks again for your understanding.
    1. KIG666's Avatar
      KIG666 -
      We absolutely take the matter of world records quite seriously. Obviously, your statement indicates that you do not, and that is probably the core of the issue here.


      You may be happier visiting a website that views professional level player achievement and world wide recognition as just a simple hobby. Twin Galaxies is not that place.
      No you are wrong I play serious and not just for fun but there is always a too much. In this case it's clearly too much if you exclude ppl from submitting scores by only offering the phone to activate their accounts.

      Besides Evo and of course Esports there isn't something like a proffesional scene. You call it professional level players I call it just ppl that try to max out games and have fun by doing that. It's far away from being a professional level player.

      I'm sure almost everyone in the CAG scene will agree here. Its a hobby but we take it serious.


      Oh just for the record if you want really take it serious you guys should try to weed out all the BS from the scoreboard first. The whole CAG scene laughs about those fake scores. Well known BS.

      You still aviod to answer my question about a 2nd option. Fine you said there will be no other way but you haven't still not answered me why a copy of my passport is not good enough to verify me.

      While I believe all should be done to higher the competition you guys do the opposite here by excluding ppl that could set a new WR. You do the best to get a super outdated scoreboard in no time. Even more outdated as it already is.

      Anyway as you already mentioned there will be never a 2nd option so I don't longer care. Nothing will change my mind the phone activation is used to make a few extra bucks ;)
    1. Barra's Avatar
      Barra -
      Anyway as you already mentioned there will be never a 2nd option so I don't longer care. Nothing will change my mind the phone activation is used to make a few extra bucks ;)
      Do you SERIOUSLY still think this?
      FailFish
    1. KIG666's Avatar
      KIG666 -
      Do you SERIOUSLY still think this?
      FailFish
      Of course I do :P

      Re-verification is not needed unless you have something like morphing abilities haha

      You are one person and you will be forever the same person even after your account was verified.

      Since they don't offer a more reliable/better working method its clear for me that they want make some extra bucks.

      Oh wait I know you are proud that it only cost you 1. Thats not right on a other topic you wrote you tried it a few times, costs around a buck each time you said ;)

      Others have tried also not only once. Some can't hear the voice loud enough, some just made a mistake with the phone number and had to do it again and again. Paying and paying no thanks this method suck donkey balls just my opinion of course.

      So yeah you have not only payed 1 buck so here you have your FailFish back haha


      BTW I don't care about TG anymore and you should not even care about my opinion cause you are happy with everything it seems ;)

      To question things isn't a bad thing actually that's the only way to get honest answers sometimes but only sometimes....
    1. Sirsalt's Avatar
      Sirsalt -
      I'm totally loving the new verification process. It will keep turds like KIG666 from tolling my posts.
    1. Sirsalt's Avatar
      Sirsalt -
      Oooops dupicated my post.....
    1. KIG666's Avatar
      KIG666 -
      I'm totally loving the new verification process. It will keep turds like KIG666 from tolling my posts.
      Why would I care about your postings ?

      You are nothing more than a kid with no manners so have a nice day turdboy.

      Oh a double posting as well, you are for sure not the brightest star in the universe lol
    1. d3scride's Avatar
      d3scride -
      For anyone that is half serious about submitting, a minimal charge for account verification and NO charge for submissions is nothing.

      You can't argue this as being a cost prohibitive means for people to submit. If you can't afford $1 or less to verify your account, I think you have other priorities in your life that probably need to be addressed first. Think about what someone has to spend on hardware just to be able to make attempts.

      I do think there needs to be more clarification on reverification: How often will this occur and/or what factors will cause someone's account to need to be reverified?

      Just my two cents.
    1. John73's Avatar
      John73 -
      Oh a double posting as well, you are for sure not the brightest star in the universe lol
      That is rich coming from you with some of your posts. You still believe TG is making money off the phone verification, despite Jace categorically denying it.

      Did you not read where I posted how much a it cost me to get verified? It was 51 cents. I've looked up the charges for my phone carrier, and the 51 cents is going directly to them. Please for the love of God, explain exactly how TG is making money from this process - because I'm confused as hell.....

      Oh hang on, I get it, Jace has purchased shares in all the Telco's world wide, and in a bid to raise the share price (and therefore his personal wealth) he is making a couple of hundred people make international phone calls. What a super villain.
    1. kernzyp's Avatar
      kernzyp -
      how much will it cost from the UK?
    1. Barra's Avatar
      Barra -
      how much will it cost from the UK?
      The costs are from your phone company, so it depends what sort of plan you are on etc, nothing to do with TG.
    1. Sirsalt's Avatar
      Sirsalt -
      The phone charge is not a big deal for me. My mom and day pay the phone bill.
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