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11-09-2017 at 05:45 PM
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Neo Geo scores

I don’t see a platform for Neo Geo, am just completely missing it or is it lumped into arcade?

Ive got a one slot Neo Geo motherboard coming my way with the 161 in 1 multi cart and not sure where the scores would go
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  1. Derek's Avatar
    I think I found the platform, Neo Geo X. I’m guessing the “X” is to blanket the consoles (AES) and the arcade motherboards (MVS)?
  2. EVN's Avatar
    Looks like they are in Arcade man. I was looking for Samurai Shodown 2 and that's where it was.

    Neo Geo X is a handheld clone type deal.
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  3. Derek's Avatar
    The few games Ive searched don’t even have tracks in arcade, they all exist in MAME but not arcade. I guess I’ll be proposing new tracks after Christmas (gift from the wife)
  4. EVN's Avatar
    Good luck with the 161 in 1 in adjudication!
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  5. sdwyer138's Avatar
    Neo Geo X is the plug n play/handheld re-release from a few years ago.

    There is a platform for the original home console (SNK Neo Geo (AES)), though it looks like you will have to add tracks for just about everything.

    MVS I believe would just fall under normal Arcade platform. No idea how a multi-cart will be received though.
  6. EVN's Avatar
    The tracks probably need to be a bit better thought out because as I understand it there's no difference between the games except the way the Neo Geo bios treats them. If you run the multi-bios on your MVS you can play the games in AES mode and vice versa.
  7. Snowflake's Avatar
    just regurgitating what i've heard elsewhere, but i heard the AES and MVS are even more simliar than that. Supposedly their identical except for the pins. You should be able to just make a mechanical device that swaps pins for you, and bam, you got a converter.
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  8. EVN's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake
    just regurgitating what i've heard elsewhere, but i heard the AES and MVS are even more simliar than that. Supposedly their identical except for the pins. You should be able to just make a mechanical device that swaps pins for you, and bam, you got a converter.
    If I select AES in the multibios on my MVS motherboard with an MVS game plugged in the game loads with all the console features, options menu, training mode etc.

    I'll maybe make a video and a wall post if there's interest in seeing it.

    The adapters you are talking about exist too.
  9. spectre's Avatar
    I'm pretty sure a multicart won't fly for Neo Geo Arcade submissions. I believe @timmell was screaming at the heavens about it about a year ago?
  10. EVN's Avatar
    I'd vote yes on submissions done with this one: https://www.neosdstore.com/shop/index.php
  11. Derek's Avatar
    I’ve seen those everdrives, they are expensive, especially for the the number of Neo Geo games that exist. What would the problem be with a multi cart? Being played on a real motherboard or console would be the hardware and the cartridge would (and should) be irrelevant. Is there something different about Neo Geo carts that I’m not aware of?

    They are accepted on other sites, also Neo Geo carts were one of the first arcade systems have a lot of pirating from what I’ve read and there are many “fake” carts floating around so what’s the difference if it’s original, non original,or a new cart, they all contain roms
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  12. EVN's Avatar
    My understanding on the matter with the 161 in 1 and the like is that there are a lot of hacked Roms on them, they don't all come from a single manufacturer, some are missing components that others have, they often leave out key games so you need to buy more than one etc.

    With a flash cart you can be sure that the ROM on your cart is the same as a real cart. You can even use the unibios to do some tests that verify that the code on the flash cart is identical to a real cart.

    That stance on multi carts here is really odd to me though. I'm still pretty new but in the time I have been watching I've watched quite a few great back and forth score chases on SNES and Atari 2600 and the players used Harmony or Everdrive carts.

    It seems to me that these competitions might not have taken place if those multi carts didn't exist.

    It would be cool if we had a separate system to TGSAP to vote on hardware submissions where credibility loss isn't an issue, similar to the dispute forum. I have been basically begging for people to adjudicate my CPS2 multi submission. I keep posting evidence and get no replies. I don't really blame people. Why adjudicate something that takes effort and risk a credibility hit when you can mindlessly adjudicate angry birds for easy submission points?
  13. Derek's Avatar
    I honestly don’t know enough about the 161 in 1 to say for sure that the roms are identical; I’m not sure why they would put hacked roms on it when the original roms are easy to find.

    I did test out the the board and cart and nothing seemed different as far as gameplay vs MAME/ arcade.

    I guess we need to have twin galaxies make a decision on this unless they have already.

    What about adding l the tracks specifically for the 161 in 1 cart? That seems like it could be a possibility that would please both sides of the argument.
  14. Derek's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by EVN
    My understanding on the matter with the 161 in 1 and the like is that there are a lot of hacked Roms on them, they don't all come from a single manufacturer, some are missing components that others have, they often leave out key games so you need to buy more than one etc.

    With a flash cart you can be sure that the ROM on your cart is the same as a real cart. You can even use the unibios to do some tests that verify that the code on the flash cart is identical to a real cart.

    That stance on multi carts here is really odd to me though. I'm still pretty new but in the time I have been watching I've watched quite a few great back and forth score chases on SNES and Atari 2600 and the players used Harmony or Everdrive carts.

    It seems to me that these competitions might not have taken place if those multi carts didn't exist.

    It would be cool if we had a separate system to TGSAP to vote on hardware submissions where credibility loss isn't an issue, similar to the dispute forum. I have been basically begging for people to adjudicate my CPS2 multi submission. I keep posting evidence and get no replies. I don't really blame people. Why adjudicate something that takes effort and risk a credibility hit when you can mindlessly adjudicate angry birds for easy submission points?
    Could you link that cps2 entry? I’m curious about what you’ve got there :)
  15. EVN's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Derek
    Could you link that cps2 entry? I’m curious about what you’ve got there :)

    Link here

    Mainly I think people were hung up on how the board runs decrypted ROMs to get around the Capcom suicide mechanism. As of a few days ago though Darksoft released a firmware update that allows the multi to flash the encryption keys on the fly and use un-modified encrypted ROMS. I'll do the update and post a video to hopefully lay that to rest. It won't make one bit of difference to gameplay though.
  16. timmell's Avatar
    I think the 161 in 1 cart is good. It is like a ever drive, I have had no issues with ROMs. But I have not found a way to set the soft dips. :( Really the time I Dont have.
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  17. Rogerpoco's Avatar
    I'm not entirely familiar with the hardware being discussed, but pretty sure the NEO-GEO arcade system basically runs off of carts? Arcade being the exact same as home versions, etc?
    I would think that should be as acceptable to TG as the flashcarts I use for submissions everyday on consoles.

    I still hope for a DECO Cassette cabinet in the near future, with a multiboot board-it would be crazy to me if it wasn't accepted for submissions.

    Hope this goes well for you, Derek, is a nice set of games you have there!!!
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  18. Derek's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by timmell
    I think the 161 in 1 cart is good. It is like a ever drive, I have had no issues with ROMs. But I have not found a way to set the soft dips. :( Really the time I Dont have.
    found this for setting soft dips
  19. EVN's Avatar
    This is up for presale at the moment:

    Not ***** but I reckon it will be awesome.
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  20. EVN's Avatar
    lol.... why on earth is c.h.e.a.p a swear word?
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