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06-07-2019 at 10:55 PM
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What are the Arcade Records that "May Never be Broken"...Now ?

Over the years this topic has been discussed and debated extensively. I remember a few years back discussing five TG records that may stand the test of time and that list has since changed.

I also read on the IVGHOF site relating to the list of 2017 nominees discussing Mike Klug's "Pole Position" arcade record as being one of six "records that may never be broken", expressed in quotes, but I can't seem to find any such list discussed anywhere. Does anyone know where ?

SO, I though I'd revisit the topic.

Years back I included in my "short list" the following....

-> "Pole Position" (arcade) by Mike Klug

-> "Dragster" (Atari 2600) by Todd Rogers (since debunked)

-> "Alien Syndrome" (arcade) by Donn Nauert

-> "Paperboy" (grand slam) by Phill Britt (since debunked though not yet removed from the TG database unless I am mistaken)

I might have also included "Kaboom" (Atari 2600) game "A" of 960,001 also by Todd (and also since debunked)

Can't remember the rest, but that short list was across all platforms. And some records have since either been beaten or debunked. So in the here and now, here is my personal "Five (5) Arcade Records that May Never be Beaten" in no particular order...

(1) "Pole Position" by Mike Klug - a lot of recent chatter about this record as well as attempts by several top modern players, but no joy thus far

(2) "Q*Bert" (marathon) by George Luetz - one of the visually toughest marathon challenges of all time, practically hypnotizing at times, this 84 hour ultra marathon may be something that even George won't want to "re-game"

(3) "Cheyenne" by Donn Nauert - Donn's pretty much retired...can't say for sure whether he so much gave an interview in the past 10 years let alone submitted a score, but this one is his crowning achievement

(4) - "Missile Command" (TGTS) by Tony Temple - for starters, I will not even entertain the "fast vs slow" discussion...Tony is The Man at this title. His score is so high he actually looped the 0x stages. It was a quantum leap over his second highest record.

(5) - "Carnival" by Fred Pastore - not only is his score sitting pretty with no close contenders, it's not even his best score. For those whose memories so not date back to 1999, Bill Mitchell (yes, that Bill Mitchell) took out a special "bounty list" and offered $1,000 if any record from that list could be broken. One of the very few people that submitted a score to Bill was Fred Pastore and it was on this title, with a score of 432,xxx points, that would have been the new world record for TG. Unfortunately that "bounty" was never paid out and the tape was never submitted for verification afterwards.

Honorable Mention would be the "Rally X" score which, although beaten on the MARP leaderboard via MAME, is now an unbeaten arcade record for the past 37 years.

What are your top five unbreakable arcade records ?

Robert





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  1. RTM's Avatar

    Should have stated above but there does not seem to be an "Edit" button now for some reasons, but the "Alien Syndrome" record I believe has since been beaten...I mentioned that some of my original short list were either beaten or debunked and that was one of them.

    How odd...I seem to be able to edit my comment but not the original wall post itself even though I am the author to both. Weird...and dumb.

    Anyway, caught another typo that I made...when I discussed people whose memories do not date back to 1999 I typed "...so not date back...". My bad :(

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    Updated 06-07-2019 at 11:02 PM by RTM
  2. Pat Larocque's Avatar

    If I'm not mistaken, your Star Wars Arcade record has well beyond stood the test of time RTM. In my opinion it will be a long time before it's broken (if ever)!!

  3. RTM's Avatar

    Hi Pat...I left that one off for good reason, by all rights it SHOULD have been broken back in 2005 !! Brandon had the bad luck of technical difficulties 54 hours into the game, plus (avoidable) severely cut down on his sugar intake in the two days beforehand thus experienced hallucinations. Even so, he came within 97.5% of my record so it is definitely "beatable".

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  4. Rogerpoco's Avatar

    I'm open for correction, as I am pretty oblivious to the scene and it's history, but I don't think anyone besides Bryan Wagner has broken the killscreen on Burgertime(in an actual game, I think J.D. may have accomplished it, but I think was savestate practice), and I think mebbe that no one else ever will.

    My l-5 patterns left a few points on the table, but my MAME score is pretty close to all the points you can get before the killscreen.


    Billy's arcade score, BTW,(which was removed), was a tad higher than mine, and I thought for a while that it was in a grey area, too many points w/o beating the k/s, not enough if he did, but my guess now is that his score actually is probably the max available points before the k/s.

    Point being, it really IS a killscreen, tho it has been beaten-it was beaten by probably the only person that could.

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    Updated 06-08-2019 at 10:10 AM by Rogerpoco
  5. YesAffinity's Avatar

    EVN - Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo - beat a long-standing record that was previously thought to be unbeatable, and frankly those of us who cared were long scratching our heads as to how it was done. The technique that EVN mastered was out there on MARP MAME videos, albeit at a "lower" difficulty level - the default game board difficulty of level 4 (out of 8). Won't get into the debate about SSF2T difficulty, which seems to be about the same from 1-8...but there is some difference, imho, although it's a damn difficult AI no matter what it's set at...but level 8 is stupidly responsive and counter-ready.

    Now that we have video of the technique being applied at maximum difficulty, sadly the collective of enthusiasts pursuing Street Fighter world records of any facet and iteration from the chronology is dwindling. (I hope that run-on sentence/idea makes sense...basically, unfortunately the new record was set and there's not many/anybody that are going to challenge it).

    A truly monumental accomplishment: https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/201449

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  6. Kelly Kerr's Avatar

    I love Carnival. I would like to be a contender on that game but the arcade I frequent took it off the floor. I think someone bought it. I remember when I was in middle school, the thing to do was go to the skate rink on fridays. They had several games one of them being Carnival. I spent more time playing the arcade games than I did skating. I even turned down a couples only skate because my brother and I were kicking ass at Smash TV and didn't want to be bothered. On another particular night, I was playing Carnival and having the game of a lifetime only to have ruined by some dumbass that went behind the machine and tripped the cord unplugging it. I just asked my brother if he has any recollection of what the score was and he thinks it was well over 100k. So, if the 13 year old me could be summoned to take on that score, I might be able to come close. I'm not as nimble. Hopefully another machine will turn up in my area.

    I have a video of me playing Carnival with a 30k score but I did not get a shot of the inside so I have not submitted. :(

  7. Pearl2hu's Avatar

    1942 by 仲原 善信 - 14,968,060

    Armed Police Batrider (Advanced) by TTH - 29,737,030

    Mahou Daisakusen by Furuenmo - 4,036,760

    Raiden II by AIN - 101,356,690

    Donpachi by SOF-WTN - 92,079,420


    My 5 picks for runs that will most likely never be topped

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  8. HAN's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by RTM

    Should have stated above but there does not seem to be an "Edit" button now for some reasons, but the "Alien Syndrome" record I believe has since been beaten...I mentioned that some of my original short list were either beaten or debunked and that was one of them.

    How odd...I seem to be able to edit my comment but not the original wall post itself even though I am the author to both. Weird...and dumb.

    Anyway, caught another typo that I made...when I discussed people whose memories do not date back to 1999 I typed "...so not date back...". My bad :(


    Yes, that was me who beat the Alien Syndrome score from Donn Nauert set in 1988. :)

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