While we're on the subject of TG history, how about releasing that highly significant historical record, Mr Hall? You know the one I'm talking about. I have a hammer and nail, right here, ready for the Mullet Muppet's coffin. Just release the footage, and we can go about putting the biggest piece of fake gaming history to rest.
gotta agree with dread on this one. i mean, i forgot if it was you or dave, but one of you took a picture with the box of the tapes, so with that tease out there, you cant say you cant find them. i'm sure that one has a lot of interst
I'm trying to understand what valid record in our database are you talking about?
I'm trying to understand what valid record in our database are you talking about?
lol its more about tg history. Remeber at the beginning of dragster you said stakes were high? if todd's score was proven valid we'd have to accept scores we dont believe, well we're just not good enough, but if invalid it would strengthen the claim many old scores were fake
further, i dont think its bad faith at all, once you realize a judge was corrupt, to want to reexamine other cases the judge handled.
when we still have such high demands for proof of removal of a database thats been proven to have systematic corruption i think its quite relevant to see evidence on even removed scores, as that data helps us understand what went wrong and find what other bogus scores were inserted into the database
. For your information, I made 10 million on an acrade machine, in the '80s, before MAME even existed. You should try to get out of the habit of claiming knowledge which you do not possess.
Oh ya, I heard about that game. That's the one you played in the back room at Boomer's.
How convenient.
For your information, I streamed my game live and submitted it for official verification. Feel free to go watch it anytime and get some tips on how real legends play the game. Pro Tip: We play more than one hour baby games.
I streamed my game live and submitted it for official verification. Feel free to go watch it anytime and get some tips on how real legends play the game. Pro Tip: We play more than one hour baby games.
. Nobody cares, bubba. Stop calling yourself a legend, it's just silly. You're not a pro, either. Plus, while I do enjoy insulting people, I wouldn't ever insult any gamer over how much time he or she spends on one play. Get over yourself.
oh, back to the pacman score, i notice these scores are from 1983 joystick magazine, that makes the pacman score esepcaily egregious. i was just reading a 1982 june electronic games, and they did a triva piece on how the game has an ending and so therefore has a max.
lol, it was already known at this point for at lesast 6 months that such a score is impossible.
The video & audio recording, which purports to depict the first "perfect" game of Pac Man ever played.
Im not sure if I completely understand what you are asking for because my current understanding of what I think you are requesting does not make sense to me - so I know I must be missing something on this.
If you will indulge me, let me try asking this another way - Can you please provide me a link to the valid score in the TG database that you are asking to be investigated into and have further resources to be utilized on?
lol its more about tg history. Remeber at the beginning of dragster you said stakes were high? if todd's score was proven valid we'd have to accept scores we dont believe, well we're just not good enough, but if invalid it would strengthen the claim many old scores were fake
further, i dont think its bad faith at all, once you realize a judge was corrupt, to want to reexamine other cases the judge handled.
when we still have such high demands for proof of removal of a database thats been proven to have systematic corruption i think its quite relevant to see evidence on even removed scores, as that data helps us understand what went wrong and find what other bogus scores were inserted into the database
Not sure if I completely understand but I think it is important to emphasize that Twin Galaxies' adjudicative and investigative focus is purely on the validity of specific scores that are present in the database and are under formal dispute using the established process. This function is to determine whether or not a specific score that is in the database should remain or be removed.
All individual scores are treated equally and considered valid until definitively proven otherwise.
Certainly people on their own can seek whatever evidence or investigation they want to, for whatever reasons they want to. That's up to them and fully their right.
However, as this "Pac Man" score does not exist as a valid score within the TG database, there is currently no justifiable administrative reason for TG itself to be involved with any member's private or personal investigation into a score performance that is not recognized by Twin Galaxies.
ok, i believe you're making youself clear in a round about way. Can i ask if this is related to your earlier decision to not uplaod scores? you had mentioned resources being limited, but now i'm getting the idea, true as that may be, that resources or not uploading old tapes are out of question is that correct?
However, as this "Pac Man" score does not exist as a valid score within the TG database, there is currently no justifiable administrative reason for TG itself to be involved with any member's private or personal investigation into a score performance that is not recognized by Twin Galaxies.
That said, then I would simply ask that all tapes currently in TG's possession, whether associated with scores currently on the database or those removed after an adjudicative decision, be preserved as part of the organization's archive (migration of VHS content to a digital format is a separate but related preservation question). Perhaps one day after the archive is organized and catalogued, TG might consider giving researchers or other interested parties access to materials on-site to examine questions of historical interest, including those related to formerly-recognized records hailed at one time as video game milestones. For the record, I think the brief time you ran the Pac-Man tape last year during the DK dispute review was the only time that anyone outside of a tiny cadre of TG personnel has ever seen any footage of the score. It's even more remarkable when you consider that the gamer who flaunted this Pac-Man fame at CGE UK 2005 chose not to play back his own Pac-Man tape, but either Ayra's or Hayes instead (from what can be determined from the CGE UK recordings).
Im not sure if I completely understand what you are asking for because my current understanding of what I think you are requesting does not make sense to me - so I know I must be missing something on this.
If you will indulge me, let me try asking this another way - Can you please provide me a link to the valid score in the TG database that you are asking to be investigated into and have further resources to be utilized on?
. You most certainly are missing something, Mr Hall: this dispute, which you deliberately ignored, in favour of your pet DK spectacle. Regardless of what you think, what I am requesting makes perfect sense. And I have been requesting it, repeatedly, for some considerable amount of time.
Let me spell it out for you, since that is apparently what you need done. I want you to upload the contents of the videocassettes, labelled "6 HR PERFECT GAME PAC MAN" and "Perfect Pac Man Patterns". Putting these recordings into digital formats and uploading the resultant files would consume minimal resources. If you would like a demonstration of how easy it would be, take a look at this post, which you also took the trouble to put on Facebook. To help you find the videocassettes, here's a photo:-
However, as this "Pac Man" score does not exist as a valid score within the TG database, there is currently no justifiable administrative reason for TG itself to be involved with any member's private or personal investigation into a score performance that is not recognized by Twin Galaxies.
. I raised an official Twin Galaxies dispute, in which requests were made for the relevant evidence, which you clearly demonstrated is in your possession. There is nothing "private or personal" about the dispute, so I shall dismiss your insinuation as nonsense, especially as you are undeniably guilty of withholding the aforementioned evidence. Perhaps you would care to explain why you did so, within the context of the massive quantity of resources you lavished on the DK dispute.
Can you please provide me a link to the valid score in the TG database that you are asking to be investigated into and have further resources to be utilized on?
I'll pay for you or one of your staff or anyone you choose to upload the requested tapes. And I don't mean $10.
Name your price here in this thread, Jace. (up to $500) I'll consider paying more if you really think it would costs more.
Think you are mistaken AD, Billy Mitchell has never, ever...EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER...submitted tapes to TG for score verification. These tapes are clearly edited
ok, i believe you're making youself clear in a round about way. Can i ask if this is related to your earlier decision to not uplaod scores? you had mentioned resources being limited, but now i'm getting the idea, true as that may be, that resources or not uploading old tapes are out of question is that correct?
Uploading old tapes for valid scores that are in the database (assuming that we have them) is purely limited by our available resources.
I've also recently found all the INPs that were ever uploaded to TG. Again, making them available and associating them all with the corresponding scores will not happen until there is available resources to accomplish the task under proper protocols and supervision.
One more thing, Mr Hall. You have very publicly given everyone the impression that your organisation is facing legal threats from William Mitchell. This Mr Mitchell's laughable body of "evidence", on which he bases said threats, mentions the reinstatement of both his Pac Man and Donkey Kong records. You reopened the DK dispute in response, but not the Pac Man dispute, even though the "evidence" gives you just as much reason to reopen the Pac Man dispute. Arguably, you have more cause to reopen the Pac Man dispute, because it was neglected in favour of the bigger publicity magnet. Perhaps you would care to explain why you are so discriminatory in your treatment of official disputes.
That said, then I would simply ask that all tapes currently in TG's possession, whether associated with scores currently on the database or those removed after an adjudicative decision, be preserved as part of the organization's archive (migration of VHS content to a digital format is a separate but related preservation question). Perhaps one day after the archive is organized and catalogued, TG might consider giving researchers or other interested parties access to materials on-site to examine questions of historical interest, including those related to formerly-recognized records hailed at one time as video game milestones. For the record, I think the brief time you ran the Pac-Man tape last year during the DK dispute review was the only time that anyone outside of a tiny cadre of TG personnel has ever seen any footage of the score. It's even more remarkable when you consider that the gamer who flaunted this Pac-Man fame at CGE UK 2005 chose not to play back his own Pac-Man tape, but either Ayra's or Hayes instead (from what can be determined from the CGE UK recordings).
Certainly, this suggestion is reasonable and would likely be considered.
I'm not understanding what is so difficult of transferring a VHS tape to digital and why it's going to take mass amounts of resources to do so. Get a VCR, connect the VCR to any television device or perhaps a computer, then press record. Done. Fastest and cheapest way to do it. Best of all, the amount of time it would take a "resource" to start and end this process would be however long it takes to connect the VCR to any television device or perhaps a computer, then press record. Come back 10 years later if you want and edit the remaining dead time from the video. I could do this when I was 4, why has it become so troublesome now?
Seriously, you could upload that entire box of tapes in however long it takes for the tapes to play. You could do one tape a day and use up about 2-3 minutes of a "resources" time by starting, stopping, and then uploading the digital file to TG. Don't you dare forget to rewind the fucking tape though. You are just being a dick if you don't. God damn Blockbuster couldn't even figure out how to look at a tape and realize if it was rewound or not. Any tape is on the right it's not been rewound all the way. How hard is it people?!
Jesus, send me the tapes and I'll do it. I've got about 4 months of down time in the winter. I could upload every damn piece of tape/cd that TG has in it's possession while I play poker. Press play, record, upload, remove tape/cd, repeat. There is actually no reason you yourself couldn't do this task Jace. You could do this during your SOTG episodes, or whenever you have a staff meeting during your intro. Grab the TV cart and VCR like it used to be back in the high school days, everything is already set up and ready to go, put the tape in, press play and record from whatever device you choose to record with and your done until you come back in. Two birds with one stone.
Having any evidence of a score in your possession and not uploading it to your own website in this day and age really has no valid excuse as to why this can't and shouldn't have been done years ago. I brought this up quite a few years ago and you personally told me Jace that the only way to add evidence to an existing score was to start a dispute so the evidence was permanent. That is the only reason I know it is possible to add evidence to existing scores.
Either way, my offer still stands of uploading things for TG if they need someone to do it. I never heard of Billy Mitchell...or literally anyone on this site until I joined back in 2014 when I first discovered of TG's existence, so I have no bad mojo from anything that has ever gone on at TG and quite honestly could care less unless it involves cheating.
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