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12-02-2019 at 11:24 AM
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Jace will be easy on Rodrigo give 2yrs ban & remove 1,500 all Ref Wr's,if found he cheated.

He thinking how to keep Rodrigo, avoid conflict with Twin Galaxy members & keep Rodrigo happy. Their is the outside World & Online Gaming Community as well as the Gaming Media who have been following this, awaiting Jace Hall major decision.

Will Owner, Head Custodian be lenient, on someone he knowes that was Twin Galaxy Referee,Members Top WR's and Top ESI Expert Skill overall video game player 20 years or will do the same as he did to Tod Rogers and Bill Mitchael and Ron cocoran etc.

6 year BAN, and Rodrigo can not submit until the BAN is over and remove half of his 5,988 rounded off at 3,000 wr's Remove ALL of Rodrigo's Referee era WR's.Here is the main Dispute their are 9 total on Rodrigo Lopes

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/207162-Dispute-Angela-Stefanski-NES-FAMICOM-DISK-The-Legend-of-Zelda-NTSC-Fastest-Completion-1st-Quest-Player-Rodrigo-Lopes-Score-31-37-0/page37

Jace will be easy on Rodrigo give 2yrs ban & remove 1,500 all Ref Wr's,if found he cheated.

Most World Records

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Rodrigo Lopes

5,988.00

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  1. Almighty Dreadlock's Avatar

    I assume he won't be an "Honored Veteran", after that

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  2. Snowflake's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Almighty Dreadlock

    I assume he won't be an "Honored Veteran", after that

    likely true. banned members tend to be "legendary members" and i checked somewhat recently, and unless i missed it, they lost their legendary status.

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  3. Snowflake's Avatar

    but jtt as for going easy on him due to his service, todd, ron, and billy that you mention were all also high profile. in fact wasnt ron the chief ref before rtm took over? billy was at least a partial owner at one point. billy usd his own money to help tg. ron and todd both had many records and approved many records. i'm not seeing what makes rodrigo any more special

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  4. The Evener's Avatar

    I'm not sure if it's about "special" than what the policy is - is it "zero tolerance" meaning a single "misrepresented" submission = permanent ban/comprehensive score removal, or is it more than one (2 or more?) "misrepresented" submission = permaban/all removal. Keep in mind that during an earlier discussion, there was the option of coming clean (confession) = temporary lengthy ban + all score removal. Unlike the last two high profile gamers, Lopes is an active member so I'm a little surprised that he doubled down on the "the dispute is invalid and I have proof of a legit game but I'm not sharing it now because the dispute is invalid" strategy.



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  5. Snowflake's Avatar

    it would have to be the zero policy of one score. theres been many heavy implicatons all it takes is once though i admit i'm at a loss to find that explicitly stated. Billy's removal was certainly based on just one, yes he had other disputes and we had our suspicions, but the official decision came down to one score.

    the first tgsap ban i'm aware of, though not high profile, came down to just one score as well. it was also the only other dispute where i saw a plea bargain ofered. interestingly the person took the plea bargain and confessed but then recanted and stood by the fake score.

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  6. The Evener's Avatar

    I vaguely remember the TGSAP example you're citing - forgot about the plea bargain and recanting part.

    Mitchell's removal was based on two "misrepresented" submissions though - 1.047 and 1.05 million. TG declined to render a verdict on the 1.06 million score since the preference was to examine the whole run.

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  7. Joonas's Avatar

    What is this, are you his lawyer pleading for 6 or 2 year ban? How do you know what Jace is thinking?

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  8. Ninglendo's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Joonas

    What is this, are you his lawyer pleading for 6 or 2 year ban? How do you know what Jace is thinking?

    He needs that precious easy cred from Angry Birds to maintain his status.
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  9. RTM's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake
    in fact wasnt ron the chief ref before rtm took over? billy was at least a partial owner at one point...i'm not seeing what makes rodrigo any more special



    RTM REPLY -memories seem to be short...or history is being re-written.

    Corcoran was only Worldwide Atari/Intellivision Editor/Referee. The position of "chief referee" did not exist until Jul/Aug of 2001 when the idea was first discussed then ratified.

    Prior to that the "highest" position in TG was "Founder/Chief Scorekeeper" which was Walter.

    As for Rodrigo, both he and his fellow "Metroid Team" members were the launch of the TG South America branch. In short order they began getting Twin Galaxies prominent mention in several major Brazil gaming magazines. The team sent me two of them many years back...they were in local language which was either Portuguese or Spanish, I forget which. They began the process of recruiting some new S.A. members to TG, largely participants in the annual TG MAME Deca events and occasional non-event submitters.

    Lastly some of the team most likely Rodrigo and Valter continued the process of adding MAME titles and rules to the TG database.

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  10. Snowflake's Avatar

    thanks, i had seen him refered to as such, but those references seemed informal which is why i phrased it as a question instead of a statement. i apprecaite the answer.

  11. Joonas's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

    thanks, i had seen him refered to as such, but those references seemed informal which is why i phrased it as a question instead of a statement. i apprecaite the answer.

    Well you are not the only one who has seen that reference, and even by a certain former TG chief referee.

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  12. Blackflag82's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Joonas

    What is this, are you his lawyer pleading for 6 or 2 year ban? How do you know what Jace is thinking?

    I'm thinking that Juan's thinking if Rodrigo's ban is shorter Juan can make a stronger case for his own track creation ban to be lifted. The two are completely unrelated, but we've seen him string less related things together...

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  13. Ninglendo's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackflag82


    I'm thinking that Juan's thinking if Rodrigo's ban is shorter Juan can make a stronger case for his own track creation ban to be lifted. The two are completely unrelated, but we've seen him string less related things together...


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  14. Marcade's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackflag82


    I'm thinking that Juan's thinking if Rodrigo's ban is shorter Juan can make a stronger case for his own track creation ban to be lifted. The two are completely unrelated, but we've seen him string less related things together...


    .....

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  15. Marcade's Avatar

    Am I the only one here, whenever I read a JJT blog post, I use my best Yoda voice?


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  16. datagod's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by JTT

    He thinking how to keep Rodrigo, avoid conflict with Twin Galaxy members & keep Rodrigo happy.

    Nobody needs to keep Rodrigo happy except Rodrigo.


    Quote Originally Posted by JTT

    Will Owner, Head Custodian be lenient, on someone he knowes that was Twin Galaxy Referee,Members Top WR's and Top ESI Expert Skill overall video game player 20 years or will do the same as he did to Tod Rogers and Bill Mitchael and Ron cocoran etc.

    If he cheated (he did) the he does NOT have top ESI. He is NOT expert kill overall. 20 years to get caught? Too bad.

    Juan, when somebody cheats they get punished. When a former REFEREE cheats, they need to be punished to the full extent of the video game laws.

    A referee is a trusted official. They are expected to act above even the appearance of impropriety! How can you even consider letting a guy off that took advantage of his friends, who lied and cheated for years, who brought shame and humiliation on his family name for years to dome? He doesn't get to come back tomorrow. He doesn't even get a lousy copy of our home game. He is a complete LOSER!

    JJTTT are you worried that your incredibly high credibility will plummet to the earth after his scores are removed? Is this the truth?

    I datagod want to know the answer to this, Mr. Juan!!!


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  17. thegamer1185's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Marcade

    Am I the only one here, whenever I read a JJT blog post, I use my best Yoda voice?


    Cookie Monster here.

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  18. lexmark's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by datagod



    I datagod want to know the answer to this, Mr. Juan!!!



    You forgot to mention that you want to know "ASAP" :)



    john


    .

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  20. francoisadt's Avatar

    Also bear in mind that if one was or is a "senior" referee in any sport you are ambassador!

    If one get caught cheating or doing drugs like in cycling (Lance Armstrong) the ban could be harsher

    because of the expected role model you have to be and expectations people do have about you.

    High trees fall harder, with senior roles comes great accountability


    Another thing is how do one know if someone that was cheating, not also did cheat in other games?


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