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03-21-2019 at 06:18 PM
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SSF2:Turbo speed settings

So this is going to be a fairly long winded post.

I want to get some opinions about Super Street Fighter 2: Turbo.

A bit of background on this game, there are two versions.
-Super Street Fighter II:X Grand Master Challenge (Japan)
-Super Street Fighter II:Turbo (USA, World, Asia, Hispanic)

These games play nearly identically in Human vs Human competition save for a Zangief bug present in the Japanese versions. Generally speaking, all arcade versions are interchangeable for competitive play.

In single player mode they play similarly but the A.I between them is different. Different enough that they can't really be considered to be the same game. Essentially, someone tuned the USA version to make more money.

The speed settings are also different but the same:

SSF2:X(Japan)
-Speed 1 = Slow
-Speed 2 = Normal *Default
-Speed 3 = Fast
-Speed 4 = Fastest

SSF2:T (USA,World)
-Speed 0 = Slow
-Speed 1 = Normal *Default
-Speed 2 = Fast
-Speed 3 = Fastest

Some time ago the international community seems to have settled on "Fast" as the standard speed that means SSF2:X is played on Turbo 3 and SSF2:T is played on Turbo 2. This is easily verified by checking out recent VODs for things like EVO, Combo Breaker, Canada Cup or whatever else.

To make matters worse, over the years there have been a lot of ports of this game and it would seem that none of them quite got the speed to match up with the arcade board. Notably the new SF2: 30th Anniversary Collection doesn't get it right.

Going off some old threads it seems that the oldschool USA community used to play on 'Fastest' and somewhere along the line consensus was reached to match up with the Japanese community. From looking at the most recent tournament VODs it also looks like all prefer the Japanese version on Turbo 3.

Which brings me to this track: https://www.twingalaxies.com/game/super-street-fighter-ii-turbo/arcade

This track specifies Turbo 1 and it's oldest submission was 22 years ago - meaning the track is at least 22 years old. The game itself is 25 years old so this was made well before anything was 'standard'.

I have a question for the community. I have beaten Jason Wilson's 20 year old score on that track but I did it on Turbo 2 or "Fast" mainly because I prefer to play on the same settings that the entire active ST community do in 2019. I want to know where it should be submitted of if it should be submitted at all. Could I submit my score to the existing track without pages of drama and trolling?

It has been pointed out to me (in the wiki) that there is some precedent for scores played on more difficult settings to be accepted. Here is a post that explains quite well how faster speeds are implemented in Capcom games: https://sonichurricane.com/?p=1864

Reading that, I don't think there is any doubt that Turbo 2 is harder than Turbo 1. There is no scoring advantage in playing the game faster either.

My other option is to just create a new track. As much as Jason Wilson's score was my target in this endeavor, maybe the old track should die with only a single submission in the last 19 years. Recently with all the happenings on SF2: Champion Edition being played on a board with a slower CPU we now have a situation where there are scores on the track that aren't apples to apples anymore. Maybe this is a good situation to avoid.

As an aside if I did make this new track, I have no idea if the Asia and Hispanic versions match the World and USA ones or how I could even go about finding out.

Would like to hear some opinions.


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  1. Derek's Avatar

    I don’t see a problem playing it on a harder difficulty or faster speed, that has typically been acceptable here as far as I know

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  2. YesAffinity's Avatar

    Faster speed is okay with me. And congrats on beating that score, it is a beast for sure. I think the best I ever got when I was spending any time on it was around 1.35M, nowhere near challenging the current WR.

    I also agree with the speed and difficulty difference summary, between the two regions. All of that info is correct to the best of my knowledge as well.

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  3. EVN's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by YesAffinity

    Faster speed is okay with me. And congrats on beating that score, it is a beast for sure. I think the best I ever got when I was spending any time on it was around 1.35M, nowhere near challenging the current WR.

    I also agree with the speed and difficulty difference summary, between the two regions. All of that info is correct to the best of my knowledge as well.


    Thanks mate, what do you know if anything about the Hispanic and Asia versions? I haven't tried them.


    I know anecdotally that one CPS2 Asia game has different RnG to all the others.

  4. HAN's Avatar

    @EVN - I'm fine with the faster (harder) speed setting, and if you were to submit it to the existing ST track I would vote accordingly (YES).

    This is a great score, btw - Congrats!

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