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Dispute Decision: Billy Mitchell's Donkey Kong & All Other Records Removed

After many months of researching, Twin Galaxies administration has determined the dispute made by Jeremy Young (@xelnia) to be accepted. Alongside this, all of Billy Mitchell's scores have been removed from Twin Galaxies leaderboards.

When a dispute for one of the most prolific players out there hits, it’s hard not to take notice. Sure these sort of things come up as players try to prove their run on any particular game as legitimate, but when a longstanding score on Donkey Kong of 1,062,800 points from Billy Mitchell was put into question, it took an extensive research period from those at Twin Galaxies. After many months of debate, testing, and dredging up technology from that was reported to be used during that time, a decision has finally been made.

(DISCLAIMER: Note that Twin Galaxies Editorial is a different entity than Twin Galaxies Adjudication. Editorial was not involved in the direct investigation, results, or decision of the Billy Mitchell dispute. We are responsible only for reporting on the ongoing story. We have also previously covered elements of this particular dispute, as well as a similar removal of Todd Rodgers' scores.) 

The official statement from Twin Galaxies Administration reads in full:

Based on the complete body of evidence presented in this official dispute thread, Twin Galaxies administrative staff has unanimously decided to remove all of Billy Mitchell’s’ scores as well as ban him from participating in our competitive leaderboards.

We have notified Guinness World Records of our decision.

On 08-28-2017 Twin Galaxies member Jeremey Young ( @xelnia ) filed a dispute claim assertion against the validity of Billy Mitchell’s historical and current original arcade Donkey Kong score performances of 1,047,200 (the King of Kong "tape"), 1,050,200 (the Mortgage Brokers score), and 1,062,800 (the Boomers score) on the technical basis of a demonstrated impossibility of original unmodified Donkey Kong arcade hardware to produce specific board transition images shown in the videotaped recordings of those adjudicated performances.

Jeremy’s assertion concluded that not only can original Donkey Kong arcade hardware not produce the board transition images shown in the recordings, but that these transitions were actually generated through the use of MAME (emulation software.)

The rules for submitting scores for the original arcade Donkey Kong competitive leaderboards requires the use of original arcade hardware only. The use of MAME or any other emulation software for submission to these leaderboards is strictly forbidden.

Jeremy Young provided his dispute case evidence to the dispute thread for both public and Twin Galaxies scrutiny and review.

Twin Galaxies has meticulously tested and investigated the dispute case assertions as well as a number of relevant contingent factors, such as the veracity of the actual video performances that the dispute claim assertions rely upon.

In addition to Twin Galaxies’ own investigation into the dispute case assertions, at least two different 3rd parties conducted their own explorations and came to identical conclusions.

Most notable was the 3rd party (Carlos Pineiro) that Billy Mitchell engaged to help examine the dispute case claims on his behalf, utilizing whatever original equipment Billy could provide, whose final finding was consistent with Twin Galaxies investigation and others.

Additionally, during the evidence gathering period of this dispute, numerous experts, hobbyists, and casual observers participated and contributed to this investigation.

Here are our specific findings:

- The taped Donkey Kong score performances of 1,047,200 (the King of Kong "tape"), 1,050,200 (the Mortgage Brokers score) that were historically used by Twin Galaxies to substantiate those scores and place them in the database were not produced by the direct feed output of an original unmodified Donkey Kong Arcade PCB.

- The 1,062,800 (the Boomers score) Donkey Kong performance does not have enough of a body of direct evidence for Twin Galaxies to feel comfortable to make a definitive determination on at this time.

- The 1047 and 1050 score performance videos we have in our possession (and are basing our determinations on) are in fact the performances that were used by previous Twin Galaxies administration as justification for those scores to be entered into the database and for Twin Galaxies to attribute those specific accomplishments to Billy Mitchell. We have several different and unique sources of these performances and access to private historical Twin Galaxies referee e-mail distribution records showing where these sources acquired their copies and what the purpose was.

- Of significant note is that it is very straightforward for anyone to check the authenticity of the 1047 performance source tape by just cross-referencing the digital capture video of the performance that has been posted in this dispute thread with the very public “King of Kong” movie gameplay footage along with its DVD extras.

- While we know for certain that an unmodified original DK arcade PCB did not output the display seen in the videotaped score performances, we cannot definitively conclude that what is on the tapes is MAME.

- To definitively conclude that MAME was used, Twin Galaxies would need to comprehensively rule out the possibility of all other methods that could produce what is seen on the tapes. This would mean testing all other emulators other than MAME across all other platforms to eliminate the possibility that a different emu was used. It would also mean testing visual effects software and anything else we can think of to be definitively certain. This kind of testing is beyond the scope of the dispute case needs.

From a Twin Galaxies viewpoint, the only important thing to know is whether or not the score performances are from an unmodified original DK arcade PCB as per the competitive rules. We now believe that they are not from an original unmodified DK arcade PCB, and so our investigation of the tape content ends with that conclusion and assertion.

Twin Galaxies has endeavored to provide a fair opportunity and reasonable amount of time for all sides and interests to present their thoughts and evidence as it has evaluated this dispute claim.

Twin Galaxies has also investigated this matter as comprehensively as reasonably possible to make sure that its findings are as informed as possible.

Throughout every step of this investigation, Billy Mitchell had the opportunity to answer questions and contribute to the public dispute thread. However, he was under no obligation to participate in this dispute thread and as such he chose not to do so.

Twin Galaxies is only looking at the dispute claim assertions about score performances and either validating or refuting those claims specifically - it is not evaluating people.

Twin Galaxies would like to give a huge thank you to all involved in this dispute from all sides. Our community, the DKF community, @xelnia and @YesAffinity specifically and many many others have contributed tremendously and deserve proper and full recognition.

Hopefully it is becoming more and more obvious that we care very much about our scoreboard integrity and will continue to improve it step-by-step, no matter how painful or public it might occasionally be.

This has been said before, but it is important to repeat that Twin Galaxies is dedicated to absolutely rooting out invalid scores from our historic database wherever we find them.

Twin Galaxies’ recent efforts to build a dispute system for the purpose of allowing scores to be questioned in a centralized and documented manner have enabled all of the available evidence regarding Billy Mitchell’s score performances to finally, after many years, be concentrated, examined and discussed by non-anonymous members of the gaming community and Twin Galaxies administration. This system has created a permanent body of evidence for examination.

Anyone looking into their own past with honesty and a desire to improve will likely find things potentially messy and uncomfortable. Twin Galaxies has experienced a nice big dose of that again with this dispute. However, Twin Galaxies understands that this is required for it to continue its commitment to accuracy. As we all have learned, this cannot occur overnight and must be a step-by-step process.

Just as in other disputes, we definitely know that many in the gaming community operate with a general urgency and would have preferred to see this matter resolved more swiftly.

However, Twin Galaxies, as part of a comprehensive process and in its position of authority, must ensure due diligence. Our public documentation of our processes and conclusions are intended to satisfy scrutiny for the long term, so in instances where warranted our comprehensiveness must go above and beyond what would normally satisfy.

Our methodic approach has allowed many things to surface, not only related to this specific score, but other scores as well as some previously never-before-discussed video game related history.

We must repeat, the truth is the priority. That is the concern. Whatever it takes.

Twin Galaxies continues to strive to earn and maintain trust over time by making supportable decisions and taking sensible actions.

With this ruling Twin Galaxies can no longer recognize Billy Mitchell as the 1st million point Donkey Kong record holder. According to our findings, Steve Wiebe would be the official 1st million point record holder.

Thanks again to all who contributed time, effort and expertise to this case.

Donkey Kong was a legendary achievement from Nintendo at the time of release. 

While there are a lot of challenges when it comes to verifying video game scores, due to the many factors that each game holds, this decision sets a statement of only having the most conclusive evidence for video game achievement. While this goal is hard to attain, when it is possible, it must be strived for in the eyes of Twin Galaxies.

That said, Donkey Kong remains one of the most entertaining arcade games to see played at the highest level. While Mitchell wasn’t the top score for the last eight years, each score on that leaderboard has a story behind it. With Mitchell’s score removed, there is more room for more stories, while also creating more credibility to the overall board. As said in the statement, with this dispute accepted, Steve Wiebe is now the official first Million Point record holder for Donkey Kong. For those cheering for the underdog all these years, that’s a huge deal!

At the end of the day, Twin Galaxies is striving for certainty on their leaderboards. This process was just a step on that journey that will likely have many tribulations ahead, but is still a path worth taking.

(A previous version of this article had spelled the name of Carlos Pineiro incorrectly, which has now been fixed)

Rocks -
Craig Henry Palffy -
Whoa, wanted to believe it wasn't true, but based on all of the testing I've seen from third parties, I have to agree with Twin Galaxies.
Neo Tiger -
Thx to all those involved, good work
Sqrlmonger -
I was not able to post on the dispute thread but I handed out a ton of likes/thanks. I won't say I'm glad about the result as it is a sad day for gaming no matter how you slice it. Regardless, based on what we know right now the result could not be more clear. Thanks to everyone involved in researching the dispute, but especially to Chris G. and Carlos. Cheers!
Wiserommer -
It's about time!
negative1 -
Good job TG. Keep it up.
leejunfan777 -
d3scride -
The date of the filed dispute is stated incorrectly in this article. It was filed 08-28-2017 not 02-02-2018.
datagod -
This was a long drawn out dispute. The outcome is not what I had hope, but one that I realized was coming. I hope the healing process can begin now, for everyone.
LD17 -
Sad day for Billy. I kinda always liked Billy. He should have come clean long ago and could have saved face. Should be interesting to hear a statement from Billy now. TG made the right call. Your integrity was at stake.
Nightowljrm -
This whole saga has been a spectacle to watch. Glad Twin Galaxies did the right thing.
Leon Jr -
As a silent follower from day one, only because of my enjoyment of King of Kong, and having spent every day anxiously reading the dispute thread, I simply would like to give kudos to the professionalism exhibited by Jace Hall in not only the research associated with the dispute, but in his communication to the community. Twin Galaxies has dark days ahead with the continuation of expunging invalid records, but a very bright future in the long run of reestablishing credibility in the gaming world with Jace at the helm. Jace, keep fighting the good fight.
RonnieWeston -
Spot on there, good comment
Hotrod6045 -
Is this the vaunted Twin Galaxies kill screen no player wants?
Discokommitten -
Big thanks to Jace Hall for being very professional and, in the end, making the right decision.
Wiserommer -
Just a heads up for people billy is being interviewed by triforce later on empirearcadia https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnc5XTTC_sA5yXD_6hIeFmw
raphaelgoulart -
yet another biased interview that won't most likely answer any of the relevant questions, but will still somehow be able to convince people that this outcome was unfair. still, looking forward to it, it might still be fun in some way.
Glad to see that Steve got the mention for officially being the first to reach 1M on the game !!
TipsyMcStagger -
Is that you, Robert? Edit: Nevermind... I clicked on your username and your info came up. I am actually a big fan. You have this calming way of speaking when someone interviews you, and I know you took your job very seriously when you were with TG. Good to see you are still around. I'll bet you will be getting calls soon for King of Kon (you know it's coming).
TipsyMcStagger -
Jace Hall.... thank you for being objective and not bowing down to the empty threats from Team Billy.
NEO Un -
Well done, guys. It will definitely make the community stronger. Of course, nothing against Billy (the person), but all against the `cheater character` he, himself, created. So, good call. [In the end.. even it took some time.. Wiebe got a justice he actually deserved. Nice]
ian barring -
Whats the point of posting records on Twin Galaxies if scores reffed by the founder of the organization is invalid. I want to hear what Walter Day has to say.
sirsky -
If you are truly interested in the reason these scores are invalid - regardless of who 'reffed' (accepted) them, read the dispute thread in its entirety. Walter Day's opinion on the matter is irrelevant.
Prophecyrob -
The story of Billy cheating is being picked up by many many news outlets including Variety, Uproxx, Engadget, CNET, Mashable. His goose is cooked as the word grows on how he used MAME. Wouldn’t be surprised if TMZ and CNN have articles up soon.
rss2479 -
Great Job Jace Hall and the newer TG. Cheating ruins any game. It's a new "Day"! Congrats to Steve Wiebe as the first to 1m in DK!
robertsantellan -
I'm just glad this story is finally over. I was sick of covering it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycueT2St38c
raphaelgoulart -
you know you aren't obliged to cover anything if you don't want to, right?
TipsyMcStagger -
Tipster did a great job of keeping everyone posted on this for the last few weeks. It sort of fizzled out and he kept up on it. That is why I subscribed to him in the first place. The funny part is, he (Tipster) thinks it's over, but the saga is just beginning. Knowing what an attention whore and complete baby Billy is, plus Billy is addressing this live in Milwaukee this coming weekend (according to Frankie Knuckles one minute video posted today).
robertsantellan -
In response to @Raphaelgoulart, I have a responsibility to my audience to cover the stories that they are looking for information on. And I take that very seriously. Whether detractors agree with my actions or not, I am not there for them. I am there for my audience.
robertsantellan -
@TipsyMcStagger I was referring to coverage of the dispute. I am pretty sure we will hear more from Billy himself.
TipsyMcStagger -
Oh, I know.... I'm a big fan either way. You sort of made it sound like the Billy saga is over, but I see you are talking about just the dispute portion.
NEO Un -
I get you, man. By the way, you did a good work.. and a good covering about.
Just curious...Billy used MAME (now established). Empirical evidence also suggests that he employed "save state" because his blue points were much higher than the RNG should have awarded as compared to his peers. SO...did Billy ALSO pipe in a pre-recorded MAME performance to the arcade screen and then move his hands/wrists to mimic the on-screen action ? If yes then that's the video game equivalent of "lip synching".
To "Tipsy McStagger": Yes indeed, this is Robert T Mruczek ("RTM") on the TG forum. I saw your reply and thought I would confirm so you were sure. It's a sad day that it had to come down to this, to be sure, but in the same light a great wrong was righted (Steve getting his long overdue accolades). Bill and his team of loyal followers are in full damage control now. Expect a lot to come in the 24-72 hours after "The Decision" was made public. Robert
Walter Day needs to issue some form of statement or comment on the matter seeing how he was business partners with Billy, a former partial owner of TG, and how he effectively promoted Billy for decades in an apparent quid-pro-quo relationship. Remember Walter's quote RE Billy's 1999 "Perfect Pacman", something like..."It's not just that someone got a perfect score on Pacman, it's that Billy MItchell got a perfect score on Pacman".
NEO Un -
Well.. I'd like to give a thought about this whole decision... as nobody mentioned yet. I'll be sincere: I didn't expect the 'banning' move. I mean.. I was almost sure Billy cheated, as we see clear now.. although, didn't think TG'd pull out all his scores. And, being honest, I'm not so sure it was the right thing to do. Todd Rogers..as we know.. was a different case. But with Billy, some of his scores, was presented front of the public. A good ones. Why remove those? He should be kept in the database. As a gamer, and part of TG community, I'd like to see him here... Even for, maybe, let him the chance to 'prove' he still can do or play. In some way, he's part of the TG history... even if he stupidly broke part of that. But still a part. Remove him.. seems, almost, too much. And I'm not defending him.. at all. Since the beginning I knew something was wrong, but, in the end, we need always to seek the justice as whole. Some reaction is necessary, of course. Now we know Billy cheated and deserve some punishment... but maybe in the right measure. In conclusion.. I can understand TG on that and what Jace decided.. but, deeply, I don't completly agree. It'd be better, in think, to remove all the bug scores, and keep the others (even those which also some have doubts - like Pac-Man - to, if necessary, seek correctness in future, as this one). And most importantly.. keeping Billy here, not erasing the man..the character.. letting him then face and continue being inside the community that he decided to lie. I'd prefer that. And I think it'd be fairer.
To be equally fair, Billy did a lot more than merely fudge some scores. This was a decades-long carefully orchestrated series of score revelations, each one successively higher, replete with media interviews galore extolling his new threshold established. He betrayed the trust of his fellow TG Board members and staffers on multiple occasions. He denied one gamer his accolades due to presenting false pretenses that precluded acknowledgment of his score, and he tried to squash another player's accomplishment although that one was ultimately accepted. The scores are just one part of what he did even beyond "The Decision" itself.
TipsyMcStagger -
RTM - I completely agree with everything you posted. It seems the culture at TG back in the mid 2000s was completely wrapped around protecting Billy and keeping him in the spotlight. I also think he (Billy) exploited Walter to the point where it became a Jim Jones / Jonestown scenario. Walter drink the Kool-Aid without question and nothing Billy does could be scrutinized. I mean, did anyone from TG pull Walter aside and express concerns about allowing these multiple faked videos to be submitted? I don't think it would have been such a big deal, except Guinness posted them officially as well. It looks really bad for them, now that they have to remove all of Billy's scores and his perfect Pac-Man. That "1999 video", and I call it that because it is not complete (as far as I know), is what put Billy in the spotlight. It is pretty well documented that a perfect 3,333,360 game was more than likely done up to 3 times (or more) before Billy did it "live". Rick Fothergill has now been bumped to the number one spot at TG, and Guinness will likely do the same. I truly think Bill Bastable was the first, and should be credited with that honor. Robert, you probably have more insight and knowledge of what went on at TG more than almost anyone, especially during that King of Kong filming time period. I suspect you will be a busy man (if you choose to do so) in the near future. All kidding aside, sometimes when you see Billy or hear him interviewed, he can sound like the nicest guy in the world, but I think that was all an act to hide his narcissistic, controlling, sociopathic side which according to a lot of people would come out behind closed doors. It has been confirmed that Billy is at the gaming expo in Milwaukee as we speak. He arrived last night according to a couple credible YouTubers. Seeing that the records from both TG / Guinness have been officially wiped, and no amount of talking can undo the faked submissions, there can only be two outcomes if he decides to speak. One - Tearful confession. Two - elaborate plot to sabotage him, orchestrated by Dwayne Richard and the new TG. I am betting on the latter. He can keep doing interviews to speak about it and stay in the spotlight. Anyways, I appreciate you taking the time to respond. I think one day, we will hear the truth from everybody close to Billy. Sanders, Day, and Kuh will be the hardest to de-program. Dwayne and Todd seems to have abandoned that train wreck a while back, and I don't know enough about some of the others to know how faithful they are to protecting Billy at all costs. Thanks for the insight, Robert. I look forward to reading about your TG experiences in the future. It sounds like you have a lot to say, but are being very careful choosing your words (which is a very smart thing to do).
Hi again: "Back in the day", whatever Billy said/did was barely questioned up until 2004 when he successfully squashed Steve's 1.006M submission, and again in 2005 when he and Chris Ayra tried (but failed) to shoot down Abdner's "Ms Pacman" submission. As for Bill's performances, they were accepted, watched, but not analyzed frame-by-frame or anything like that. Additionally, Bill had a history of submitting via "direct feed", so while his 1.047M tape was questioned initially because it was not a master copy, his re-submission of the master was accepted. Walter, however, was never questioned with respect to anything having to do with Bill...not even when they came up with the custom-tailored "5+1" rules for classic "Pacman" which was a complete anomaly as compared to all other TG rules at the time. His "perfect Pacman" score...here's what is a given versus what is not, and I should mention that I was not present for that one. GIVEN -> Bill was at ACAM -> Bill was NOT using "direct feed" -> Walter was not present -> The performance was recorded onto three (3) VHS tapes NOT A GIVEN -> Whether Walter or any TG official at the time watched his tapes...and not just selected excepts from the final tape as I did much later -> Whether any TG official was present, during any time, while Bill recorded his performance -> WHO actually recorded Bill's performance ? Someone had to swap tapes...and since I did not watch how tapes 1 and 2 ended, was the performance captured in the entirety ? Post ACAM-2005 Walter got reamed by Brien King and I for entering Billy's score of 1.047M into the TG database even though he knew QUITE well that the tapes were a copy as we discovered that nights before in the cabin. Then Brien and I did the right thing and agreed to take down Walter's entry immediately on Monday morning after the event. Billy is in full damage control now. Throwing people under the bus is just one tactic he is not opposed to employing. If Bill's back is absolutely pushed to the wall and no other recourse is possible, he might even bite the hand that has kept him in the limelight for decades (Walter)...anything but admit the truth. Bill did a LOT more than merely using MAME...he likely "built" performances via the MAME "save state" option. This makes perfect sense as it explains why Bill once told me that any time Steve submits a new record then he (Bill) would just pull out a new tape (with a higher score). Do a simple Google search on two (2) words..."Billy Cheated"...out of the billions of websites and files out there, his situation represents the entire first page of found items matching that search criteria...not something to be proud of, but he is in the spotlight big time now. Mark my words, he is likely planning some form of "comeback"...and who knows, the KoK people (Seth and Ed) probably smell dollar-signs here. If it were up to me, TG would have also drafted a letter to whoever at NAMCO named Billy "Player of the Century" and with an evidence presentation package included, petition to have them rescind that accolade ad Billy's actions do not represent the integrity of their corporate brand and in fact damages their integrity as a direct result. The upcoming midwest event where Billy will "speak" accompanied by Richie and possibly Walter...that will be as staged as an episode of "Keeping Up With the Kardashians".
NEO Un -
All makes sense, what you say, Robert. But tell me (or tell us): why then did it take so long time to 'unmask' him and all these ongoings? Was not possible, with some group of people (you included), to face Walter and demand some truth, explanation or whatever.. about Billy's behaviours? (not a judgement, only a question)
TipsyMcStagger -
RTM - Well, as I understand it as of a few minutes ago. Richie and Billy are at the Midwest Gaming Expo, but not planning on the interview / live stream that was first "promised" by Richie, then the video was removed all together. I know King of Kong is a well orchestrated and edited "Hollywood" version of what actually happened. It is entertaining, but no one should take it that seriously. If you just do a bit of reading, especially Walters seemingly endless posts on this very website regarding different aspects of KoK, most of them seem to be be true and explain what really happened. To be honest, I am not sure how Billy can possibly use this to his advantage. No record he sets will be recognized by TG or Guinness. I doubt people will pay him to shop up at all of these events anymore now that Steve Wiebe has been officially catapulted into his spot at the first million point game etc... Now that the cat is out of the bag, and this is big news for anyone who has been reporting this on their YouTube channel. You can bet they will dig into even more of Billy's past claims just for ratings. At the end of the day, I just want to see the people that "came under the wrath" of Billy Michell get their acknowledgement for their achievements. I am not a mean spirited person, and I actually pity someone who has to do something like Billy did for notoriety and fame. If you look at the parallels between him and Lance Armstrong, it is uncanny. Someone who could help or wreck anyone's career if he didn't like them. Cheating and lying about it for over a decade. An egomaniac who actually has very low self esteem and overcompensates by touting themselves as "perfect". I hope the people at NAMCO are pressured into taking away or no longer recognizing that fake "Player of the Century" title, and giving it to someone more deserving. Taking joy in other people's misery is not something I normally do, but I am making an exception in this case. Billy is the Martin Shkreli of videogaming, as far as I am concerned. With regard to Walter, I think he was just a pawn in Billy's little game. He made some bad decisions, but I think he tried to make some of them right. He seems like a lost soul who clings to Billy and backs up anything he says or does, even thought he knows it to be untrue. It is quite pathetic to watch over and over. Not just in KoK, but in countless YouTube videos where they are at the same event.
NEO Un -
"..people that came under the wrath of Billy Michell.." Yeah, man. I think everybody wants that.
TipsyMcStagger -
Bill Bastable, Rick Fothergill, Steve Wiebe, and several others that I probably have never heard of. Retro gaming is making a huge comeback, and those clowns that produced KoK are partially responsible for Billy's demise and this recent resurgence. Not sure whether to hate them or thank them.
NeoUn said - "All makes sense, what you say, Robert. But tell me (or tell us): why then did it take so long time to 'unmask' him and all these ongoings? Was not possible, with some group of people (you included), to face Walter and demand some truth, explanation or whatever.. about Billy's behaviours? (not a judgement, only a question)" RTM REPLY - up until the ACAM 2005 event, every single one of Billy's scores were accepted into the TG database by Walter. Not one of us had ever seen Billy setting a record "live". Up to that point I had only been privy to his three (3) VHS tapes from the 1999 "perfect Pacman" performance at ACAM, and that was not until several years after it happened. In another thread I explained how I only watched excerpts from tape #3 since his performance had previously been validated by Walter. In 2005 at the ACAM event his 1.047M submission...which was supposed to be "for entertainment purposes", was ultimately accepted by Walter, but not before several people who had seen it (myself included) came to realize that Bill did not send the master tape. Eventually he did several months later, but aside from that, all of Billy's performances were never viewed on tape by any TG staffer other than (assumedly) by Walter. Since Walter was accepting them, we had naturally assumed he was validating them either live or via other means. We DID, however, successfully push back against Billy RE his behaviour regarding Abdner Ashman, and while we initially won the battle against him as to Steve being the first 1M score, it was the Brian Kuh "gummy substance" revelation that warranted caution, and that was as a result of both Billy and Brian "explaining" the physical impact of that thus convincing Walter and I, who were not technical experts, to err on the side of caution seeing how previously TG had a huge egg on its face over the "Double DK" fiasco.
TipsyMcStagger -
I do remember Billy saying "this is just for fun" when handing the tape over. Robert - My daughter (age 20) just watched KoK for the first time last night, and I explained not everything is exactly as it appeared in the film. Now she won't stop sticking her head in the doorway of any room we are in and telling us "There is a potential Donkey Kong kill screen coming up if anyone is interested". She does it multiple times... I told her you were commenting on here and she said "The guy who had to watch all those video tapes?".
Just an FYI...if you want to have some fun with your daughter, re-watch the Pompano sequence in KoK starting with when Steve is told he has time for only one more game. There are eight (8) errors in that 60-second sequence alone...trust me, I have an EXCEL file that I prepped years back after the DVD was released which contains ALL the errors in the film...pre-"Decision", of course.
TipsyMcStagger -
Robert, you seem like a very intelligent, detail oriented, and calculating individual. I could definitely see you doing something like that. I love the fact that you have a list, because it could probably be the focus of its own documentary. I have my own theory of what went down in the last year or so based on comments, body language, and subtle clues I put together just from observation. I do not expect anyone else to confirm or deny in any way simply for liability reasons. As you know, Team Billy threatens to sue everybody these day, but rarely follows through. I am positing that Todd and Billy may have had a falling out due the fact that Billy never stepped up and defended Todd publicly while they were looking into his hundreds of bogus scores (mainly Dragster). A fairly recent Dwayne Richard video seem to suggest that Todd finally abandoned Supreme Leader Snoke and joined the rebels. I am also of the opinion that Todd worked with Billy when these tapes were being concocted because who better to bring in on this than someone you know is already unscrupulous. Although some of the other Team Billy characters from KoK are quirky and seem a bit odd, I don't think any of them would have been involved in something like this. Brian Kuh, for instance. A Billy crotch sniffer, absolutely... did he know about the faked DK scores at the time? No way. Steve Sanders... hard to get a read on that guy. He is a lawyer after all. If you are going to keep a dirty secret, it makes sense that only two people are in on it. Any more than that, and there is no way to pinpoint the leak when it happens. It could be that Todd told other people and one of them planted the idea for someone at the DK forums to look closer. I have been using MAME since it was just a Multi-Pac emulator back in 97. I had no idea screen transitions loaded differently until all of this happened. Again, this is all just speculation, but I think this saga is just beginning. It seems like Billy has a new entourage these days (Triforce, Joel West, Richie Knucklez, etc...) and maybe his oldest friends are banding together to finally tell he stories that they have been hanging on to for so long. There are probably ten different documentary producers writing scripts and getting ready to line up interviews for this debacle as we speak. Save that spreadsheet my friend, I have feeling it will be valuable information in the near future. I am looking forward to going back and laughing at the clever editing based on your list. I noticed one thing myself... the overlapping signs on one of the DK machines during the "Guiness" run has both Billy and Steve's name / score taped to the marquee, but Billy's sign is almost covering Steve's completely. You can see Steve's sign starts with a "1,0xx,xxx", but supposedly, his million point score was never acknowledged and he was still trying to top his public Fun Spot score. I know that is just the tip of the iceberg where 90% is hidden below water and is nothing but fabricated nonsense.
I can't include the EXCEL file here, but these are the in-sequence comments I made years back as to just how screwed up KoK facts were. The following eight mistakes occur within 60 seconds when Steve is told he can play his last game of DK at the Pompano event... Day Four - Steve now wearing a black shirt as the final day begins Walter says that this will be Steve's last start as the competition is coming to an end The high score is 369,000 at the L-9 rivet stage Note that there are zero lives remaining A death occurs by jumping backwards onto a barrel…theoretically Steve's game should be over considering he was on his last life assuming this was the same game as depicted at 1:14.30 Note the game over screen with the top score of 849,000 and the player one score of 666,700 which is identical to the score in day two at 1:07.14…in theory this should be it for Steve for the day based on Walter's saying "last start" Steve is still playing !! This time he dies while his hammer expires running away from a barrel in the identical scene at 40.40 in Funspot, so according to this "concoction" of the last game at Pompano, Steve loses his second life Note the high score on top of 251,100, with one (1) life remaining no less, which is identical to the scene at 58.48 which took place post-Funspot at his own home Now Steve is down to zero lives in reserve again although no sound indicating a death has occurred since 1:14.45 and the top score is 845,xxx with player one at 714,600 which is clearly a different game than anything presented thus far Steve loses a third life in the barrel stage as Steve Sanders looks away reacts. Note that Steve Sanders is wearing a pink shirt again. The last life is lost (sound only) After Steve walks away the "final score screen" is shown. It is the SAME screenshot from 1:07.14 with the 849,000 and 666,700 and 519,700 Steve Wiebe says "I'm Done" Again the score placard shows "1,0xx,xxx" score for Steve Wiebe Yet inexplicably the score chart shown here shows Steve at 985,600 from Funspot
Ironically, when you think about it... -> Steve was chasing after the TG record of a recognized cheater -> TG management at the time ignored the true champion Tim Sczerby -> KoK cheated the viewing public by ignoring Tim Sczerby -> KoK further cheated the viewing public by concocting a crafted film product to suite their agenda -> Billy then cheated by pressuring his supporters at the time to fight KoK tooth and nail on the forums even though he himself sat on the sideline and did nothing And the coup de grace... -> After ALL the anti-KoK statements by his supporters (including at the time myself), what does Billy do next ? He opens up the "King of Kong Arcade" at some Florida airport AND he uses the very same poster WITH the name as the entrance way to the arcade !! Billy told me years back that it was not the SAME poster but rather he had people recreate it with some variations so he could not be sued. What a line of BS !! And in all that time, the KoK people never once legally challenged this arcade endeavour. Billy was in on the sham from Day One, there is no denying this. If in doubt, here are pics of that very same, since-closed, arcade. He can't hide this from the internet... https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=AwrE19fOa9Na7GEAHwdXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE0NTg2bDUxBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjI5NDRfMQRzZWMDcGl2cw--?p=king+of+kong+arcade+pic&fr2=piv-web&fr=chr-yo_gc
TipsyMcStagger -
I remember when he opened that arcade at Orlando International Airport. It was pretty tiny, sad, and didn't even contain a single classic game, let alone the one that the place was themed after... Donkey Kong. Pretty sure he added a multi-cab later (DK / DK Jr / Mario Bros). I am smiling because the continuity errors you mentioned would escape most people's eye unless they were looking for them. When I first saw that documentary, I'll admit, I was angry about the story. A little digging and comments on IMDb changed my mind pretty quickly. I still watch it for entertainment value, however. Man, you put Billy in front of a camera, and he plays that "perfection" persona for all it's worth. Other times, you can see the despair on his face. The most awkward scene is when Steve Sanders is supposedly giving his take on Steve Wiebe with Billy sitting right next to him. The pain and shame when Steve mentions honesty and integrity as apparent, and with recent events, I had to go back and look at it a few more times. I am assuming that was filmed after Billy submitted the Fun Spot tape, because it looks like once Sanders got to know Wiebe a little, he warmed up to him and knew he was a real gamer and not someone trying to trick TG with a bogus score. I feel a little bad for Brian Kuh. His infamous "kill screen" line will live in video game nerd lore for eternity, The way he was talking to Billy on the phone while the Fun Spot tape was being shown (if that was even real) is painful. I saw my daughter put her hands over her eyes at that part and just shake her head. I think watching her reaction brought KoK into a whole new level of entertainment. The girl is a movie quote machine with an eidetic memory. Her new one while I am playing XBOX, Switch, whatever... is "he could beat it if he... if he... he'd have to have a really good game... I don't think he knows the tricks that Billy knows, but I hear he is really good on the elevator stages". She says this to my wife who looks at us like we are nuts. Then repeats the exact same quote five seconds later... LOL. Well, hopefully Tim Sczerby's accomplishments get mentioned prominently in some of the new documentaries. Not sure KoK producers could pull off another sham like that since almost every one of us true old school gaming nerds knows the events are not as they appear. Once again, I appreciate you taking the time to comment.
NEO Un -
Well, Mruczek.. what did we tell? 'Team Billy' already started its 'moves'... Steve Sanders (on Twitter): ‏"#BillyMitchell #KingOfKong is a man of integrity & honor! Goodbye @TwinGalaxies!"
Here are two more of the most glaring mis-statements from KoK... -> Approx 22:21 the film recaps his being named the new champ...Steve has darker hair here. This is from the 947K announcement and NOT the 1.006M since TG never announced that score at the time -> Approx 1:03:49 and Steve Sanders is on the phone with Bill telling Bill that three scores were set of 693,500 then 733,500 and finally 780,000...that was NOT about Steve playing DK...that was about Don Hayes playing "Joust" at TGTS !! But the film used the footage as if it was DK that Steve was discussing with Bill. -> And the finale...Steve in his garage playing allegedly the 1.049M new record. Think about this logically for a moment. The scene is at night more or less, Steve is in his garage with the door wide open, and by coincidence a camera is set up across the street and filming as he gets his new record and does his fist pump in triumph ? Staged...just like anything in a Kardashian TV show. Also, this is subjective...watch Wiebe's daughter in the car when he is discussing with her Guiness and she makes some comment about what people do to get their name in that book, or whatever she says. Look carefully at her eyes and where she is staring...it can easily be argued that she is looking towards another passenger in the car in the front seat for her queue. And that's besides the fact that her comment is somewhat beyond the thought process of your average 8 year old. My opinion is that she was fed a line. Not the end of the world, but pretty cheesy to use a kid for something like that. At least when Steve's son made that now famous "Daddy, wipe my butt" comment that was for real...and to this day I crack up thinking about when I hear that for the very first time !!
Next thing you know there will be pics of Billy standing in front of a US flag or some famous monument, or being seen going to/from his local Church, or doing community service. This is a PR campaign, plain and simple, and this is just the opening salvo. In public relations this is called "crisis management" and it doesn't come cheap...but I am sure that Billy can afford it.
Wow...the word CHEEP except with an "A" as the 4th letter got the asterisk treatment in my last post !!
TipsyMcStagger -
Oh, Steve... (Sanders).. *sigh*. I thought maybe he would step up and even speak on Billy's behalf and say he (Billy) feels terrible about all this etc... Instead we get the Jim Jones / Kool-Aid reply (Cue "Stand by Your Man" by Tammy Wynnette). Steve Sanders is officially on my tool list now. How? How can some people be so deluded, especially a "lawyer", in the face of astronomical and overwhelming evidence? Maybe he is a defense attorney... This just in... Billy made a statement. https://www.oldschoolgamermagazine.com/billystatement Billy is teaming up with Old School Gamer magazine in an attempt to start up a new record keeping scoreboard (or so it sounds). Maybe I am reading between the lines too much... In either case, glad they chose a front man with honor and integrity. Their FB page is getting reamed for posting pics with Billy from the MGE yesterday. That explains why Billy was there, however. Not because he wanted to be, but because he was obligated to come to their booth. Billy is on the advisory board of this publication. LOL. Billy has spoken like a true con artist... he actually believes his own BS. He will have dozens of people claiming to have witnessed his scores in person, but no actual recordings. All we need is for Todd Rogers to admit he never saw Billy do the 1.06, but something tells me he could hold out longer than Billy when it comes to being dishonest. YouTube link so you can enjoy the comments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=mjtn3EEG65Q
TipsyMcStagger -
Billy blocked me on Twitter... LOL. I posted a meme titled "Miami Splice" with him and Todd dressed up as Rico and Sonny from Miami Vice. Here is the image link: https://ibb.co/hg3M6n
You just said Billy is "Teaming Up" with OldSchoolMagazine.com A post from a different classic arcade gaming site indicates that "Mitchell is on the advisory board of Old School Gamer Magazine". Send me a PM and I can provide the link. Talk about conflict of interest !!
PS - no "thumbs up" from either gamer in your image ?
TipsyMcStagger -
LOL... Billy sure did not like that meme at all. I spoke with Old School Gamer Magazine. They assured me they have no intention of starting a new classic gaming scoreboard, which was speculated after Billy made his statement. Billy is on the advisory board, and I urged them to unhitch their wagon from Billy while they still can. That rinky dink company has 230 Facebook followers, and only three issues released so far. Bunch of twatwaffles.... I noticed Dwayne has been more vocal on YouTube lately with regards to giving props to Rick Fothergill, as he is now the new / official first perfect Pac Man. That has to piss Billy off to no end. I heard Billy demos his first cherry perfect pattern for people, but it is actually Rick's discovery from a long time ago. I am looking forward to seeing Billy go nuts over the next few months. He somehow thinks if he can provide a bunch of documents with signatures, all will be forgiven and he will be reinstated on TG and by Guinness. This is almost as funny as it is pathetic.
TipsyMcStagger -
Billy Mitchell primo joystick dude. Amazing in the maze, he ain't gonna lose. Blue man in the corridor singing the blues. A perfect game goes down.... Billy's on the moooooooove.
Not to anyone's surprise, yet another "Team Billy" supporter spouts off to the media defending Billy to the bitter end, and refusing to so much as give an ounce of credibility to the hundreds of pieces of technical evidence in the score dispute thread. Ben Gold, notable gamer from the 1980's, gave an interview to the Dallas News paper in late April. Among Ben's pontifications... "...And I feel like Billy has been villainized. I want people to know he's a very nice guy and a family person, fiercely loyal. That's more important to me than video games." "I don't understand logically why he would do this...it makes no sense to me. I wasn't there. I can't say I saw Billy do this. I can just tell you it's extremely unlikely he would do this when he has the capability of getting those scores." And finally... "The funny thing is, the more they try to erase him, the more prominent he becomes...that is the irony of erasing history." SO, what we have here is another supporter blindly following Billy no matter what common sense proof is in front of their face that Billy cheated. Another tool !!
TipsyMcStagger -
Well, there are few new developments that people are talking about on YouTube. Some of the mid 2000 multi-boards (which are officially licensed) used a completely different setup than the old school boards (which I am sure you already know). The board from the DK / DK Jr / Mario Bros cabinet looks like a single chip / Raspberry Pi board to me. I don't know if those ran emulation vs a different set of logic. I defer to you, Robert. I am sure you have forgotten more about arcade boards than someone like me would ever know. It is the random number generation in his VHS tapes that is suspect. He got the max number (800 I believe) 90% of the time on multi-barrel jumps and hammers, when that should have been around 40-50%, according to what I read.
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