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Garrett Holland
01-29-2021 at 08:38 PM
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"It's a real photo. Didn't cheat. Trust me, bro."

This will serve as my repository of examples why a photo should never be considered sufficient evidence. Note the intentional inclusion of things that make the examples ridiculous while demonstrating how easy it would be to simply show the correct cartridge in the photo to pass it off as legitimate. For the record, *none* of these photos were photoshopped or altered in any way. I may put some videos in here (without all of the gameplay) showing this same kind of ridiculousness to demonstrate why partial video is soundly rejected as well.

Feel free to link to it should one come across another who does not yet understand why photo-only evidence packages lead to disastrously unreliable scoreboards.

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  1. kermit73's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott S.

    With my photos, I used a hacked ROM and simply changed the graphics for the digits to increase the chances of that time being displayed (for example, the "6" was changed to a "5", and so on). I then used a Harmony cart to play it on a real system. Like screenshots, you can't always trust scores when devices like Harmony and UnoCarts are used, because you don't know if the code being used is 100% original or not. A site like TG who bills themselves as the 'official score keeper' can no longer accept screenshots, and full videos must be required. And even then, you've probably seen enough examples of video being spliced to know you can't always blindly trust videos - "experienced eyes" need to watch it.

    I'm fairly new to TWG and have a few accepted WR submissions using original cartridges. I recently got a Harmony cartridge and was wondering about using it for upcoming WR attempts. I seem to recall watching videos from previously accepted submissions which used a Harmony cart and wondered about the concerns outlined above.

    Are Harmony carts still allowed, and if so, what evidence is expected in the video to demonstrate the performance is legit? Do we just watch the complete game play on video and look for anomalies that wouldn't exist if using an original ROM image or are there other specific things to verify?

  2. Kelly Kerr's Avatar

    Atari Age competition is full bs photos

  3. Scott S.'s Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by kermit73
    Are Harmony carts still allowed, and if so, what evidence is expected in the video to demonstrate the performance is legit? Do we just watch the complete game play on video and look for anomalies that wouldn't exist if using an original ROM image or are there other specific things to verify?

    Yes, the members (players) are now the experts so it's up to us to determine whether or not a performance is legit. Anything used other than original hardware offers someone the possibility of cheating. Things like flash carts are a double edged sword. They allow people to run games that might be hard/impossible to obtain original copies of otherwise, but it opens the door for unoriginal/altered copies to be used. All I can say is, if you're not comfortable voting for submissions that use them, then don't, and if you have a question about a submission, speak up and bring attention to it, and the community will respond.

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  4. Garrett Holland's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelly Kerr

    Atari Age competition is full bs photos

    Chock full ... unfortunately, theyre not the only ones. Every photo-only competition Ive participated in, Ive run across at least a few pieces of cr@p.

  5. Ninglendo's Avatar



    This guy has a bunch of these fake score screenshots.

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