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Garrett Holland
06-01-2021 at 07:57 PM
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How are TG's video view tallies calculated?

It's happened a couple of times, and always some obscure game with unimpressive footage. Most recently, my Atari 2600 "Boing!" submission shows about 10,000 views. I doubt 10K people are even remotely interested in myself, the game, or the unremarkable score. Anyone know how this count is tallied? Or could this simply be a back end coding error? If it's a legit number, Id love to find out what makes it so appealing so I can DUPLICATE IT on my YouTube content, which if I am lucky, Ill currently get ten views on a video.

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  1. Snowflake's Avatar

    TG is really popular with a lot of shy viewers. But its become clear what the people want, and what the people want is more boing!

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  2. Garrett Holland's Avatar

    I have a fever, and the only cure is MORE BOING

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  3. bensweeneyonbass's Avatar

    I had some crappy inaugural Double Dragon 3 MAME run hit thousands of views recently. Who freakin' knows man.

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  4. sdwyer138's Avatar

    Garrett over here with a refresh page script tryin to boost his subs :D

  5. Jace Hall's Avatar

    As far as I know the number is legit. It's calculated exactly as you may imagine.

    The site has more users than you would think - also TG is very well indexed by Google, so its possible that outside inquiries factor into. Perhaps a popular website or reddit thread or something referenced it and drove traffic.


  6. kernzyp's Avatar

    Same as Ebay.
    Today, £9.99. Tomorrow, 99 pence.
    Same for all of us I suppose. My best video's are no way near my most watched. My (very poor attempt) at Rampage got me thousands of views, as The Guardian used it to advertise the movie. Do I deserve compensation? Dirty stealers...

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  7. Blackflag82's Avatar

    I'm pretty sure this is JJT's doing...you've seen the number of tabs he's got open...

  8. RedDawn's Avatar

    Its even more striking that its on a submission that hasnt been accepted yet, thats only been up a short time. Makes me wonder what the views are for some of the accepted submissions.

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  9. speedy47591's Avatar

    Whats your youtube called? Just searching your name turns up a whole heap of weird. I'd rather watch something a tg member did than half the depressing fear mongering BS on regular tv

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  10. Garrett Holland's Avatar

    https://youtube.com/zilchsr

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  11. kernzyp's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Garrett Holland

    https://youtube.com/zilchsr

    Subbed!
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  12. Ninglendo's Avatar

    Me thinks bots. I dont think ten thousand people are googling for videos for a Boing Atari 2600 WR. There is also no subreddit that mentions Atari Boing or anything of that nature. The claim that a big site or reddit is bringing in traffic to watch a Boing WR on the Atari is not only ridiculous but also hilarious. I'm not a genius or anything of that nature but I also know that Im not an idiot.

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    There is also no way the views came from google since Google trends doesnt even have enough data to present when it comes to Atari Boing.

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  14. Ninglendo's Avatar

    Also, when googling Atari Boing World Record the TG track doesn't even come up on the first page. A millipede WR comes up from TG but @Garrett Holland comes up as the first couple results along with Scott's site. If people were googling Atari Boing World Record wouldn't nearly all or if not all traffic go to his YouTube channel and Scott's site? That's how it works right?

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  15. Jace Hall's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninglendo

    Me thinks bots. I dont think ten thousand people are googling for videos for a Boing Atari 2600 WR. There is also no subreddit that mentions Atari Boing or anything of that nature. The claim that a big site or reddit is bringing in traffic to watch a Boing WR on the Atari is not only ridiculous but also hilarious. I'm not a genius or anything of that nature but I also know that Im not an idiot.

    Bots? What kind? What purpose? There are no ads. Interesting idea. Maybe perhaps! Curious indeed.

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  16. speedy47591's Avatar

    Check your average length of view. If its super short it'll lend more weight to either people wandering in on accident or Glenn's bots theory. If they are actually sticking around through most of it, then its probably something else.

    Also, you may want to check out how its labeled. Videos labeled for kids always seem to get more views.

  17. speedy47591's Avatar

    on your youtube anyway no idea about whats driving the views here

  18. Ninglendo's Avatar



    Pages per visit is 1.59

    Average visit duration is 42 seconds

    Total visits is 146.83k

    Everything about these analytics screams bots. Your website might not have ads but bots are a good way to artificially pump up numbers for people interested in investing and things of that nature. Lets go over your theories on why the numbers are so high on submission videos.

    Users on the site - If it was seriously the case that there is more users than we know and they are responsible for the views then Garrett's submission should of went through that day if it had 10k views. It didn't and I am willing to bet there is less that 50 active users on the site at a time.

    Reddit - I checked Reddit for any mention of Atari Boing and got zero results.

    Popular website - I checked for any posts within the last month for Atari Boing and once again got zero results. Besides if it was a popular website drawing traffic to Garrett's submission don't you think they would of reached out to him?

    Google - I already posted my findings above. Google trends can't even show results since there isnt enough data to do so. Also when googling the game and world record Garrett's YouTube page is the first three results. Then it's Scott's site. TG isn't even on the first page when it comes to Atari Boing.

    So that rules out all of your theories on why the views are so high.

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  19. Jace Hall's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninglendo

    Your website might not have ads but bots are a good way to artificially pump up numbers for people interested in investing and things of that nature.

    I'm not sure if you were joking when you said this (you probably were) but just to be sure I'd thought I would respond -

    I can assure you that "bots" that increase video views on a single Atari Boing video up to 10K or so (and ignoring everything else), would likely not be an effective approach for "people interested in investing and things of that nature."

    Twin Galaxies itself has nothing to do with bots. Zero interest or reason.

    If you do believe "bots" are somehow involved in this particular Atari Boing video, you may want to consider other theories as to why anyone would spend time or money "botting" Garretts Atari Boing performance - because "investor stuff" certainly aint it!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninglendo
    Lets go over your theories on why the numbers are so high on submission videos.

    Users on the site - If it was seriously the case that there is more users than we know and they are responsible for the views then Garrett's submission should of went through that day if it had 10k views. It didn't and I am willing to bet there is less that 50 active users on the site at a time.

    This is 100% false. TGSAP does not function in this manner. Additionally, TG has different classes of members. Verified members are the only ones who can actually participate in TGSAP. All the others (registered, guest, non-logged-in, etc.) can view a performance but not participate. So it is possible for people to watch the video and not have any adjudicative impact.

    I would definitely agree that the view count was not likely driven by Verified members.

    Reddit - I checked Reddit for any mention of Atari Boing and got zero results.

    Popular website - I checked for any posts within the last month for Atari Boing and once again got zero results. Besides if it was a popular website drawing traffic to Garrett's submission don't you think they would of reached out to him?

    Google - I already posted my findings above. Google trends can't even show results since there isnt enough data to do so. Also when googling the game and world record Garrett's YouTube page is the first three results. Then it's Scott's site. TG isn't even on the first page when it comes to Atari Boing.

    So that rules out all of your theories on why the views are so high.

    Interesting. Nice research and makes sense although there are still some open areas as it relates to some theories:

    1.) Video views are not tied to Twin Galaxies visitation alone. It's unusual but possible to view videos directly on the TG video host domain - https://view.vzaar.com/23041572/video

    2.) Did you look at analytics outside of google (euro/western traffic)? Specifically Asia/China/Korea/Japan related search engines and tool results? There are times where an unusual interest is taken over there regarding something at TG or a video or something. Perhaps the Atari Boing video was specifically shared or referenced over there for some reason?

    Things worth exploring perhaps?

    I have no idea why Garrett's video has the views it has - but it has nothing to do with anything Twin Galaxies actively did or didn't do (other than let the video be posted.) But if you actually think TG uses, or has EVER used, or pays for, or has EVER paid for, bot traffic for any reason whatsoever, you are flatly mistaken.

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    Updated 06-06-2021 at 02:10 PM by Jace Hall
  20. RedDawn's Avatar

    All of the info listed above, combined with past experience and common sense leads me to believe this was bots as well.
    There could be MANY reasons for them being here. Maybe we caught them early, maybe they were/are going to start leaving advertisements in the form of comments. Maybe there is bot software that goes to video hosting websites to leave advertisements in the form of comments and they weren't able to do it here because of the verification process.
    I see this ALL THE TIME on websites which allow comments, especially video hosting websites.

    Another explanation could be the bots are collecting information, on the website, on members, who knows.
    There are many possibilities on WHY bots would be here.
    I'd be willing to bet Garrets video isnt the only one they've been to, just the only one that we've noticed.

    I'd guess this is probably a fluke that will come to be a non-event, but if in the future we start seeing comments on submissions that say things like "I got a FREE Tesla and so can you by signing up at the following website.." then we know where it all started at.

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