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10-16-2019 at 10:51 AM
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Analogue Pocket!

I'm sure some of you have seen this, but I can't wait to get my hands on one when they release in 2020:

https://www.analogue.co/pocket/

It is a real shame that unless TG changes/clarifies their stance on FPGA consoles that it won't be able to be used for score submissions here.

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  1. swaggers's Avatar

    Output without needing the dock would be a huge plus. Some form of direct recording. As is, I have all of these systems already.

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  2. GibGirl's Avatar

    The dock output would make submitting scores for handhelds tons easier all around.

    But it's more important to awkwardly record video you can barely make out on old faded screens because "original hardware".

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  3. thegamer1185's Avatar

    Dude...so happy. I've got the My mini and super NT. Still in the box unopened actually. Pocket NT looks awesome.

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  4. thegamer1185's Avatar

    They say it isn't emulation...I have pushed for a few years now to allow these specific Analogue systems to be allowed with original hardware. They give the specs and have been confirmed by many not to emulate.

    Other third parties have been said to "not emulate" but then are found out they do.

    Analogue is doing it right, and better than the original systems did. They should be allowed.

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  5. GibGirl's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by thegamer1185

    They say it isn't emulation...I have pushed for a few years now to allow these specific Analogue systems to be allowed with original hardware. They give the specs and have been confirmed by many not to emulate.

    Other third parties have been said to "not emulate" but then are found out they do.

    Analogue is doing it right, and better than the original systems did. They should be allowed.

    It's definitely not emulation as we talk about it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field-programmable_gate_array

    The Analogue consoles use FPGAs. They're chips that allows you to configure the logic gates inside. So in theory, an FPGA could be configured to be an exact match for another chip in an indistinguishable manner. Where they both react the same way to every possible set of inputs. But with the Analogue machines being done via reverse engineering, it's always possible there are differences, and probably likely.

    There are known differences between official revisions of a console too. The SNES multi-chip and 1-chip systems are NOT functionally identical. The three official versions of the Genesis are not identical.

    But yes, it's not emulation. The system does not have software that's trying to duplicate the hardware. It's taking the code in a game ROM and sending it to the chips.

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  6. HAN's Avatar

    ^^ They definitely *should" be allowed, but does anyone know why they're not? Players today play at a serious disadvantage when trying to hook up nearly all the 240p systems system to an HDMI display.

    FPGA systems remove that disadvantage.

    What are the arguments to the Analogue systems and retroUSB AVS systems? Here's what I've been told:

    "get a CRT" - it's not possible for me to have one in my current living situation (due to space, size and weight...pick one)

    "get a scaler" - not all scalers are compatible with all HDTVs, and the ones that have great compatibility add input lag.

  7. GibGirl's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by HAN

    ^^ They definitely *should" be allowed, but does anyone know why they're not? Players today play at a serious disadvantage when trying to hook up nearly all the 240p systems system to an HDMI display.

    FPGA systems remove that disadvantage.

    What are the arguments to the Analogue systems and retroUSB AVS systems? Here's what I've been told:

    "get a CRT" - it's not possible for me to have one in my current living situation (due to space, size and weight...pick one)

    "get a scaler" - not all scalers are compatible with all HDTVs, and the ones that have great compatibility add input lag.

    The most common argument is simply "they're not official original hardware". Second seems to be that we don't know the machine behaves identically to the original - but there's never been any suggestions as to what we'd want to do to determine if they are close enough to be counted.


  8. thegamer1185's Avatar

    Original Hardware is no longer a rule is it? Thought that was taken care of with the Wii storage submissions?

  9. Snowflake's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by thegamer1185

    Original Hardware is no longer a rule is it? Thought that was taken care of with the Wii storage submissions?


    now we get into the difference of official hardware thats been modded, versus completely unoroginal. yes, mods, as long as their are no known differences to play, are allowed. so yay, i'm sure someone well work the semantics of "this still has one screw from an original system, everything else was built around that screw, there its original and just had some (99.999%) of parts replaced"

  10. Desidious's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by thegamer1185

    Analogue is doing it right, and better than the original systems did. They should be allowed.


    Kyle, the problem is still there. Better =/= same. And we would still never be in agreement if it is acceptable or not.

  11. Kelly Kerr's Avatar

    take my money.

  12. timmell's Avatar

    i support to have FPGA systems count as original hardware. After testing Is done by many.

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