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03-27-2018 at 05:39 AM
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Wall Entry at 03-27-2018 01:27 PM

Memo to TG's editorial board. I think your writing staff is extremely out of touch with the gamers here, and basically are doing everything wrong. The fact that 90% of articles have no comments should tip these writers off that they are going off in the wrong direction. I will make a list of things that I believe you can do so much better. Let me start.
1. If you want to continue to have 95% of your articles about modern gaming, then do this. Stop reporting on teams. TG is about world records, and that is something that is very individualistic. So here's an idea. How about you pump up more articles about individuals in the modern gaming community. Give back stories about them. Explain how they did in any given individual tournament. Make the stories more relateable by focusing on the individual.

2. This company is heavily invested in H1Z1. How about talk more about the elite players from H1Z1? Talk about certain tactics used in the game. What tactic works, and what tactic doesn't. Maybe talk about if certain tactics should be outlawed or not.

3. Start writing colorful game reviews. Maybe go with games that have a strong crossover to classic gamers. A game like Cuphead should have had at least 10 articles talking about it. That's a modern game that's actually gets traction with the members here.

4. Have your writers start reading some of the posts on this forum. Why? Because it's always good to have an idea what your user base is actually interested in. Right now I see a writing staff trying to force their articles down the reader's throat. Your topics are about things we don't care about.

5. Speedrunning has grown greatly in popularity. The speedrunning community has a negative view of this place. One way to get back in their good graces is to write articles about the people and their events. Start writing about Games Done Quick, and all the stuff that goes on there. It's a great cause.

So those are just a few of the things I could see that would help these writers greatly. Right now they seem content to write to an audience of no one. That's simply not the right way to go.
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  1. sdwyer138's Avatar
    I mostly ignore the editorial section. The sheer volume of articles posted per day with no real means of filtering or searching is ridiculous. However, I believe that we are supposed to get one article per week there that features some of the recent accepted scores? I haven't seen an article like that since the Dr Mario 64 record highlight.
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  2. GibGirl's Avatar
    I'm in the same boat. I'll occasionally take a peek, but there's almost nothing interesting there. Not only is it almost entirely focused on competitive gaming, it's doing so in a very "inside baseball" way - articles about changes in coaching or rosters are very frequent. And even the ones going over the results of an event can often do so without so much as even mentioning what game it's for.

    I understand there's a bit of a "if you build it they will come" hope around the newsfeed, believing that it will bring competitive gamers here. But the things I see here are first, that there's almost no content for the existing TG userbase, which doesn't encourage us to go read it. And besides the newsfeed, there's no TG content for competitive gamers. The two sides of TG seem completely disconnected from each other, and that doesn't seem like it would help.
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  3. Desidious's Avatar
    I don't even waste my time. I have it to where I only see blogs from the community and not editorial. Now I'm seeing this H1PL posts on the blog section and I'm thinking of just giving up entirely. They won't cator to the community, if that was the case they would have done so long time ago. I might have seen one editorial about Monster Hunter but it wasn't even worth reading. I wish I could say I'm ready for the decline of these types of PvP battleground games but I don't see them ending any time soon. If I get one more invite to play ****ing fortnite when I'm actually enjoying a GOOD game, I will remove them from my friends list. That is how sick of it I am.
  4. Pixe Sukola's Avatar
    I agree, I think 95% of people here dont give an F about H1Z1, League of Legends or Fortnite. I am a League of Legends player, I ve played for years and have invested more than 2,500 hours on that game, yet, I m never, ever interesting in any of the LoL articles published here because if it is something important, I can just read it on the main interface of the game when I log in.
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  5. Desidious's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Pixe Sukola
    I agree, I think 95% of people here dont give an F about H1Z1, League of Legends or Fortnite. I am a League of Legends player, I ve played for years and have invested more than 2,500 hours on that game, yet, I m never, ever interesting in any of the LoL articles published here because if it is something important, I can just read it on the main interface of the game when I log in.
    They post articles that can easily be covered somewhere else. Where's the originality?
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  6. Megaretroman's Avatar
    I'm curious when we are going to get that kind of shine? Where's our team invites? When do us TG players get sponsorships?
  7. Desidious's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Megaretroman
    I'm curious when we are going to get that kind of shine? Where's our team invites? When do us TG players get sponsorships?
    Are you a part of Echo Fox?
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  8. Megaretroman's Avatar
    I just remember hearing that we players at TG will get "opportunities." I think it's been a while now. Would like to know when those opportunities for us will happen.
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  9. Max's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Pixe Sukola
    I can just read it on the main interface of the [Fortnite] game when I log in.
    An interesting point. I too noticed TG articles are heavy on roster changes and who beat who etc., and this is all information that any reasonably informed gamer or game fan of these games would already know from far closer sources than TG. It makes one wonder who TG is intending to target with these articles.

    If the articles are not for us, nor are they original enough for the gamers or fans of the games they write about, exactly what purpose do they serve?

    From a writer perspective, I'm guessing they get paid by the article (or have high quotas). This may explain the sheer amount of pointless articles on roster changes and who beat who.
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  10. Desidious's Avatar
    Pointless being the key word.
  11. Jesse Collins's Avatar
    Hey! I just saw this and wanted to reach out personally. First off, I'm Jesse Collins, head of editorial for the site here, if you don't know. I want to address these individually to help address and discuss the concerns. The "I hear you and want to reach out" conversation.

    "1. If you want to continue to have 95% of your articles about modern gaming, then do this. Stop reporting on teams. TG is about world records, and that is something that is very individualistic. So here's an idea. How about you pump up more articles about individuals in the modern gaming community. Give back stories about them. Explain how they did in any given individual tournament. Make the stories more relateable by focusing on the individual."

    Our direction is on people. Period. Teams consist of these people, majority of the time doing amazing things. We do, however, discuss individuals on a regular basis. But, modern esports and competitive gaming, teams are inevitable to report on on a daily basis. Focusing on the individual is ALWAYS our goal when it comes to interviews and the like, though. Here are a few examples just in the past few days:
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/feed_de...rtnite-moments
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/feed_de...an-fgc-veteran
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/feed_de...aming-fortnite

    Oh, and to satisfy your retro cravings on individuals:
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/feed_de...axing-machines

    "2. This company is heavily invested in H1Z1. How about talk more about the elite players from H1Z1? Talk about certain tactics used in the game. What tactic works, and what tactic doesn't. Maybe talk about if certain tactics should be outlawed or not."

    We report on H1Z1 on a constant basis, but news can fall by the wayside with the current (and constant) trends and focuses in the world. We reported on once of the teams, Impact Gaming, just a couple days ago, once we had news on it. (https://www.twingalaxies.com/feed_de...-league-roster) I'm sure news on the H1 Pro League will start flowing more rapidly pretty soon, so keep an eye out for those as well.

    "3. Start writing colorful game reviews. Maybe go with games that have a strong crossover to classic gamers. A game like Cuphead should have had at least 10 articles talking about it. That's a modern game that's actually gets traction with the members here."

    This one I'd love to do, personally. I love doing reviews. But, our focuses and goals are not on the product or specific games here at TG. They're on (as I said earlier) the people. This one is non-negotiable, I'm afraid, due to the goals that Twin Galaxies (and Twin Galaxies Editorial) has. People over product, always. At the least, we have been including guides to help people conquer particularly unique things in trending games, like defeating Deviljho in Monster Hunter World or the weekly challenges in Fortnite. People are loving those guides too! We're more likely to do these guides on the competitive flavor of the week game, over say the now older game Cuphead, since others have done those guides to death since it came out. We tested guides on older games and found that no one really looks at them in comparison.

    "4. Have your writers start reading some of the posts on this forum. Why? Because it's always good to have an idea what your user base is actually interested in. Right now I see a writing staff trying to force their articles down the reader's throat. Your topics are about things we don't care about."

    We do read the forum! I (and the staff) scour the forums as often as we can. We'll do our best to try to amp that up a tad more in the future. Although we do, our articles aren't necessarily just for you. They're for the world. A lot of people out there care about Ninja and Drake playing Fortnite, for instance. As the focus on people, this is part of the deal.

    We (quite often) focus on retro games, the people here, and (even) the controversies. In fact, we even cover you guys on a weekly basis on our weekly Scoreboard articles. Here are some of our scoreboard entries in the past month:
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/feed_de...-way-ride-more
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/feed_de...-64-run-more/5

    Also, here's the one we posted while I was responding to this thread.
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/feed_de...lery-runs-more

    "5. Speedrunning has grown greatly in popularity. The speedrunning community has a negative view of this place. One way to get back in their good graces is to write articles about the people and their events. Start writing about Games Done Quick, and all the stuff that goes on there. It's a great cause."

    We report on speedrunning constantly and even reported on GDQ when it was happening. I'm sorry you missed these because our speedrun fanatic Alex McCumbers constantly searches out and talks to awesome speedrunners. Here's a handful (but no where close to all) of his work:
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/feed_details.php/401/super-mario-bros-speedrun-record-broken-saving-the-princess-with-speed-and-grace
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/feed_de...s-remastered/4
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/feed_de...ll-with-punchy

    Now, for the fun part. We want to invite people to talk to us. I swear we don't bite and we really do want to appeal to you all as well. There are 8 of us total, but some of us are part time or focus on particular topics. If you feel your story deserves to be told, please reach out to me or any of the staff.
    Just as a break down of who you'd want to talk to:
    Jesse Collins (Head of Editorial): jesse@twingalaxies.com
    TJ Denzer (Senior Editor): tj@twingalaxies.com
    Nick Barth (Senior Writer): nicholas@twingalaxies.com
    Zac Cameron (Senior Writer - MOBA focus): zac@twingalaxies.com
    Alex McCumbers (Contributor - Speedrun focus): alex@twingalaxies.com
    Jeff Kotuby (Contributor - Fighting focus): jeff@twingalaxies.com
    Jason Fanelli (Contributor): jason@twingalaxies.com
    Ford James (Contributor - Shooter focus): ford@twingalaxies.com

    Any catch-all articles or interview, just email me and I can get it to the right people that should see it. Not everything is necessarily a story today, but if you want us to be involved, put us in the right direction. Let's do this together.
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  12. GibGirl's Avatar
    @Jesse Collins - I'd just like to offer up a suggestion, to do with as you guys want.

    Perhaps you, or other members of the team, could start doing some regular wall posts to start up regular conversations with the userbase? Right now, it feels like there are two separate pieces badly stuck together. The main TG site, which is about scoring and records, and then this newsfeed which is almost entirely about esports. And the two pretty much don't seem to connect in any way.

    I want to see things that interest me on the newsfeed. It looks like other people do too. I think we'd do better to have group discussions than either each person starting a private conversation, or the current tendency for us over here to easily fall into snarky ranting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GibGirl
    @Jesse Collins - I'd just like to offer up a suggestion, to do with as you guys want.

    Perhaps you, or other members of the team, could start doing some regular wall posts to start up regular conversations with the userbase? Right now, it feels like there are two separate pieces badly stuck together. The main TG site, which is about scoring and records, and then this newsfeed which is almost entirely about esports. And the two pretty much don't seem to connect in any way.

    I want to see things that interest me on the newsfeed. It looks like other people do too. I think we'd do better to have group discussions than either each person starting a private conversation, or the current tendency for us over here to easily fall into snarky ranting.
    Now, that's a great idea, actually. This was part of the plan all along, but it was just taking us a little more time than expected. The 8 of us will be more active on the forums and get your all involved a little more. Sorry it took us so long (that was on us and getting our bearings right)! Give us some time to get a plan together on how to do this properly and we'll be in touch with you all.

    As for the disconnect, that is explainable as the whole "keeping church and state" with Editorial and Adjudication. This is a must. Adjudication are strict, lean, and want to be completely straight forward on the scores and findings, etc. Editorial are snarky, opinionated journalists. We're here to find the facts and news, give our opinions on things, and make TG a hub for all things competitive gaming. We are separate and don't even share an office with each other.

    We do promise to strive to do better though.
  14. Desidious's Avatar
    or the current tendency for us over here to easily fall into snarky ranting.
    Hey now, I'm good at snarky ranting. Own up to what you're good at. At least I wear my emotions on my sleeve and have no problem voicing my opinions. It's the only way to move forward.
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