Top 3 only. lets not get into the "everybody should get a trophy" just because you tried.

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Only #1. Including ties for #1. And the score must be undefeated for like 6 months before being eligible for a certificate.

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I would also have to say #1 or a tie for number one, however , a certificate with the old logo featuring a certain gaming huckster would be abomination and disgrace to some of us.

I would prefer the NEW TG logo

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like everyting new people will have strong opinions and be offended by i honeslty just dont see how anyone will be able to stay mad for long at someone having something hanging on their wall. its 2023, people use the net, it seems weird to allow anyone on any track which is public and official and uptodate but have restrictions on a poster for someones room

i think the real offense came from the delays and broken promises before not to mention actual taunting from tg staff to those who didnt receive what they paid for. My best guess/recommendation is just be very sure not to repeat the mistakes of the actual distribution like before

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I would like to add any such recognition is historically and legally binding. For example ,if a player sets a WR on a given title, the score and history behind obtaining said score is written in stone, belonging solely to the achiever and cannot be altered, stolen and exploited by others especially for the basis of a so-called documentary film because the people who stand to profit from such fraud "think" their story is "more entertaining".

Lets not let history repeat itself this way.

Originally Posted by Snowflake

like everyting new people will have strong opinions and be offended by i honeslty just dont see how anyone will be able to stay mad for long at someone having something hanging on their wall. its 2023, people use the net, it seems weird to allow anyone on any track which is public and official and uptodate but have restrictions on a poster for someones room

i think the real offense came from the delays and broken promises before not to mention actual taunting from tg staff to those who didnt receive what they paid for. My best guess/recommendation is just be very sure not to repeat the mistakes of the actual distribution like before

There's a reason why I'm offended by the sight of Walter DAZE image on such a certificate and its NOT because I'm new to the scene.

When a WR holder is intentionally and with malice of forethought cheated, defamed and disenfranchised from a WR title when the topic material becomes valuable, believe me one can stay mad for a looooooooong time.

How about those of us that didn't receive what they earned such as a life rights contract involving documentary subject matter that was stolen from them?

Amazing how someone's WR performance goes from being recognized for three years to "constantly disputed and impossible to verify therefore merited no inclusion in the film" when that scam Billy Mitchell and his "pay-to-play outsiders want to steal the subject matter for themselves. Clear cut case of criminal fraud here no matter how "entertaining" one thinks the end story is.

Solid case here and always was, but instead people are examining the "possibility" of an incorrect joystick 15 years latter. :) What a joke!. This is truly sad and only illustrates how weak the case against Billy Mitchell has become.. :(

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Probably my perfectionist side talking but, wouldn't be much purpose in a TG certificate if everyone gets one, so yeah, I'll side with everyone else saying 1st place only.

Regarding whether or not it should be certain records, or all platforms, I know it can be subjective as to what records are considered a 'big deal' to a lot of people. Maybe have certificates look a little different depending on the record. Say for example, it's a really popular game like Donkey Kong, or a game with loads of entries, it gets the works, so to speak, with design?

As for price, I imagine and understand it's not cheap making these things, I reckon there's gotta be a price that hits the balance between helping sustain the business, but also not making buyers worry about burning a hole in their wallet for it, as people I've discussed it with would debate it might be a bit much for a certificate.

Top 3 sounds good in 1000 of competitions throughout the world and history, 1st, 2nd and 3rd, gold, silver and bronze Olympics.

2. Would or should it cost to get the TGSAP Certificate?

3. How much?

4. Can those Twin Galaxies member players use Submission points to get them and how many?

Information:

In mid-1981, Walter Day, founder of Twin Galaxies, Inc., visited more than 100 video game arcades over four months, recording the high scores that he found on each game.

On November 10, 1981, he opened his arcade in Ottumwa, Iowa, naming it Twin Galaxies.

On February 9, 1982, his database of records was released publicly as the Twin Galaxies National Scoreboard.[2]

-> * 5. Yes, for being the founder but no because Jace Hall should be on there now, he cleaned, brought respect, relevancy and TGSAP video game recording and letting Twin Galaxies members adjudicate, judge, view, vote and rules and guidelines were created to oversee the video game record attempts presently to stop nonsense records coming into the Twin Galaxies scoreboard database archives.

The current Twin Galaxies members exposed the bad, the cheaters, the false TG wr's of the old referee era that are being disputed now to cleanup the mess that was left over the bad TG referee era of Twin Galaxies.

On a separate note:

@Jace Hall please give it some consideration and I am not the only Twin Galaxies member that would like to see the referee Twin Galaxies video game world records be separated from the TGSAP era when you took over, that requires all Twin Galaxies members to upload their video game record directly to Twin Galaxies and adjudicated, viewed and voted upon by Twin Galaxies members.

Separating TGSAP and Referee would make it easier to view, compare, challenge and dispute some of these old Twin Galaxies referee era world records.

It is a mess now all bundled together. By separating them it would look cleaner and add vintage look.

TGSAP world records

separated from

old referee world records

And 1 more thing to see what differences in the rules for various video games from both TGSAP and referee era's.

Thank you and God Bless you , your staff and your families and friends.

I feel like top 3 should get a certificate, but then again, even making the top 5 or 10 of some games is quite an achievement.

Tough to say, but I'm leaning on the top 3 idea.

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Id prefer this:

- only the #1 spot is eligible for a certificate on tracks with 5-10 submissions.
- the top #3 spots are eligible for a certificate if the track has more than 10 submissions
- if a track has less than 5 submissions no certificate is available for that track

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There are many arcade scores referee verified from the 80s which go into marathon territory of 12+ hours. I know from experience how hard marathoning a game can be both physically and mentally playing for so long with minimal breaks. I think anyone who manages to do this under the TGSAP system should be automatically eligible for a certificate regardless of exactly where they come in comparison to the scores from the referee era. Maybe you could also consider adding achievements such as kill screens and no deaths 1cc's as another criteria for being automatically eligible regardless of placement in comparison to other players.

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Originally Posted by Excelliron

Id prefer this:

- only the #1 spot is eligible for a certificate on tracks with 5-10 submissions.
- the top #3 spots are eligible for a certificate if the track has more than 10 submissions
- if a track has less than 5 submissions no certificate is available for that track

You know, I was thinking of ways to prevent users from creating a random track, submitting a score, and getting an easy 1st place to get a certificate.

This might actually be a good safeguard against that.

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I'm going to be an outlier here and recommend that New TG continue the tradition of the Old TG and make certificates available to anyone regardless of whether they achieve a top 3 score or lower.

https://web.archive.org/web/20100306063706/https://www2.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=40

I don't see certificates as a surrogate representation of gold-silver-bronze medals, but a physical representation of what's contained in the virtual database - a gamer's standing on the leaderboard for any given game. There's no harm in allowing someone to share their achievement with family and friends regardless of what place they achieved on the TG leaderboard. If someone has a certificate for a game at 22nd place, I don't see how it infringes on the value or prestige of my own certificate in first place.

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Originally Posted by The Evener

I'm going to be an outlier here and recommend that New TG continue the tradition of the Old TG and make certificates available to anyone regardless of whether they achieve a top 3 score or lower.

https://web.archive.org/web/20100306063706/https://www2.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=40

I don't see certificates as a surrogate representation of gold-silver-bronze medals, but a physical representation of what's contained in the virtual database - a gamer's standing on the leaderboard for any given game. There's no harm in allowing someone to share their achievement with family and friends regardless of what place they achieved on the TG leaderboard. If someone has a certificate for a game at 22nd place, I don't see how it infringes on the value or prestige of my own certificate in first place.

I do see where you are coming from there and if a player is able to buy one regardless of position on the scoreboard it would mean extra money raised compared to limiting it to certain criterias which could be reinvested into upgrades and further improvements that would benefit everyone.

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Originally Posted by The Evener

I'm going to be an outlier here and recommend that New TG continue the tradition of the Old TG and make certificates available to anyone regardless of whether they achieve a top 3 score or lower.

https://web.archive.org/web/20100306063706/https://www2.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=40

I don't see certificates as a surrogate representation of gold-silver-bronze medals, but a physical representation of what's contained in the virtual database - a gamer's standing on the leaderboard for any given game. There's no harm in allowing someone to share their achievement with family and friends regardless of what place they achieved on the TG leaderboard. If someone has a certificate for a game at 22nd place, I don't see how it infringes on the value or prestige of my own certificate in first place.

Yep I agree on the above. You should be able to have the option of getting a certificate whatever the rank, if you are proud of your achievement then it shouldn’t matter if it’s a first or even last rank on the leaderboard.

The only additional piece of info for the certificates I would add is can there be a preview or something that can be verified buy the purchaser that all the details are correct?.

I can’t complain as I did receive all the Certificates I ordered last time, however there were a lot of mistakes. e.g. The incorrect system for the game, my state where I live in was incorrect.

I am looking forward to seeing what the end result will be.

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The word 'champion' needs to be taken off these certificates. World record holders are not champions, regardless of how impressive their achievements may be.

Also, if only for the sake of common decency, Walter Daze's ugly face ought to be memoryholed.

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Originally Posted by Almighty Dreadlock

The word 'champion' needs to be taken off these certificates. World record holders are not champions, regardless of how impressive their achievements may be.

Also, if only for the sake of common decency, Walter Daze's ugly face ought to be memoryholed.

"Also, if only for the sake of common decency, Walter Daze's ugly face ought to be memoryholed."

Yes. The old Twin Galaxies logo is an accursed symbol and abomination especially after that fake-a$$ "documentary"

One would think they would be able to know who the 1982 arcade WR breaker and holder at the time was by watching a "documentary" involving this very same topic matter. Nope. KoK fails miserably . This fact makes KoK historically worthless as a documentary as one is not informed of the actual record breaker or holder.

Oh well, the most important thing as the two play pretend movie actors were paid for their life rights exploiting a topic matter literally stolen from another and this could never have happened without the complicity of OLD Twin Galaxies.

Old Twin Galaxies, first they reward you with a certificate, then they rob you of the same when the topic becomes valuable.

Under such circumstances these certificates are worthless.

Originally Posted by The Evener

I'm going to be an outlier here and recommend that New TG continue the tradition of the Old TG and make certificates available to anyone regardless of whether they achieve a top 3 score or lower.

https://web.archive.org/web/20100306063706/https://www2.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=40

I don't see certificates as a surrogate representation of gold-silver-bronze medals, but a physical representation of what's contained in the virtual database - a gamer's standing on the leaderboard for any given game. There's no harm in allowing someone to share their achievement with family and friends regardless of what place they achieved on the TG leaderboard. If someone has a certificate for a game at 22nd place, I don't see how it infringes on the value or prestige of my own certificate in first place.

Odd to see people discussing the value of these certificates when most don't care if the right to title represented by the same certificate is stolen and exploited by others for profit via a fraudulent documentary film. Seems hypocritical . This type of action would render ALL certificates worthless and one has OLD Twin Galaxies to thank.

Here's a brilliant but wacky idea . :)

How about these certificates of achievement actually mean something if the topic matter is considered for a documentary film paying life rights to the same? WOW! Nobody has ever thought of such a concept before! :)

I know this a "Far out" and "wacky" rationale to most people in the gaming community but to those of use that can distinguish fiction from reality , this would be a great idea. It would be criminal to steal another's right to title and exploit the same topic matter in a "so-called" documentary film.

"We'll keep our life rights contracts and money we grifted from stealing your earned right to title and history related content and you can keep your worthless " certificate of achievement" to the same.....fool!"

WOW! WHAT A DEAL! :(

This is the kind of "square deal" one could expect when OLD Twin Galaxies colludes with film makers.

Hey everyone let's talk about Tim's life rights some more lol.

Seriously though I'm fine with every verified score being eligible for certification or it being based on the number of scores that are on the track/game. As long as all the ends are tied up and things get done completely.

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I also agree that Walter's likeness should not appear anywhere on these. He does not represent TG anymore.

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