Originally Posted by bensweeneyonbass

Hey everyone let's talk about Tim's life rights some more lol.

Seriously though I'm fine with every verified score being eligible for certification or it being based on the number of scores that are on the track/game. As long as all the ends are tied up and things get done completely.

I was raising a valid suggestion and citing a well documented past instance where these certificates were rendered absolutely worthless in spite the time and effort to achieve them. This is funny how? I was dead serious in my cited example.

If you want to talk about something worth laughing at its the "evidence" against Billy Mitchell that's a joke.

If I can poke holes in it and tear it to shreds imagine what Billy's lawyer can do.

Good thing these Billy Mitchell lawsuits are just a PR scam that will never see a court room.

Hopefully TG's lawsuit is for real. Slam dunk there.

Originally Posted by Skywarp

Odd to see people discussing the value of these certificates when most don't care if the right to title represented by the same certificate is stolen and exploited by others for profit via a fraudulent documentary film. Seems hypocritical . This type of action would render ALL certificates worthless and one has OLD Twin Galaxies to thank.

Here's a brilliant but wacky idea . :)

How about these certificates of achievement actually mean something if the topic matter is considered for a documentary film paying life rights to the same? WOW! Nobody has ever thought of such a concept before! :)

I know this a "Far out" and "wacky" rationale to most people in the gaming community but to those of use that can distinguish fiction from reality , this would be a great idea. It would be criminal to steal another's right to title and exploit the same topic matter in a "so-called" documentary film.

"We'll keep our life rights contracts and money we grifted from stealing your earned right to title and history related content and you can keep your worthless " certificate of achievement" to the same.....fool!"

WOW! WHAT A DEAL! :(

This is the kind of "square deal" one could expect when OLD Twin Galaxies colludes with film makers.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1038

I believe a certain so-called "documentary" fits this nicely.

Collaborators on such a hoax such as (Old Twin Galaxies and makers of a certain so-called "documentary" could be in a lot of trouble if they intentionally lied to alter and re-write a matter of historic record to benefit themselves for profit.

Again, no need for NEW Twin Galaxies to thank me for the free legal foot work.

It would be a shame if a fraudulent documentary film had any influence on some poor suckers decision to purchase Twin Galaxies. What a scarlet letter to have to wear afterwards and they would be entitled to compensation.

Originally Posted by Excelliron

Id prefer this:

- only the #1 spot is eligible for a certificate on tracks with 5-10 submissions.
- the top #3 spots are eligible for a certificate if the track has more than 10 submissions
- if a track has less than 5 submissions no certificate is available for that track

I feel like this is the best way. Makes it so that people can't collect a pile of certificates for these super granular tracks that they made themselves. I'd also like to add that pre TGASP era submissions should count in the minimum sub count even if they decide not to issue certs for them. There are plenty of games that have a 5 or higher count but haven't really had any new submissions since the dawn of the new era.

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I think anyone should get one if they want to pay for it, for any score/place on any track. It's a cool wall hanger and would make money for TG. On a personal note I wouldn't buy one right now. 5 years ago when I got my very first TG WR I would have, but that score got beat in like a week lol. Every #1 score I have now is because I had to beat someone that beat my old #1 so they would be out of date. BUT.. for others, or if it's on a single game one time, it would be cool as hell to maybe even be Number 12 on the Ms. Pac scoreboard! I actually might buy one if I got that, but I suck at that game. So just make them available, if you don't want one don't get one. But also make the info on them correct and actually ship them. Good idea

I like the referee image. I know it isn't Walter, others may not realize that. I am willing to have my image used in its place. :)

As for the certificates, I say anyone should be allowed to order and pay for one, no matter what their score is. People owning a certificate in no way should affect the happiness of others.

Here is another interesting idea: NFT of the certificate.

Sure you can have a printed one mailed to you, but imagine buying and collecting NFT's of the certificates! I won't say they are easy to mint as there is quite a steep learning curve. But they are very affordable to produce. I have several already.

Originally Posted by bensweeneyonbass

I also agree that Walter's likeness should not appear anywhere on these. He does not represent TG anymore.

@Jace Hall can you elaborate on this? its hard to imagine the new certs will have the image of a man tg is currently counter suing (he is on the countersuit right? or since its a countersuit to billy is that technicaly somerthing different? either way....)

if the new certs are too have a different design, can you give more info on that?

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Originally Posted by Snowflake

@Jace Hall can you elaborate on this? its hard to imagine the new certs will have the image of a man tg is currently counter suing (he is on the countersuit right? or since its a countersuit to billy is that technicaly somerthing different? either way....)

if the new certs are too have a different design, can you give more info on that?

Yes, as mentioned in the initial post, we have started the process of taking steps to bring back a new version of the TG Certificates.

We are currently working on the design. It will have the more current and modern logo.

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oh i almost forget, i requested this before and would like to request again -- platform esi certificates

1. unlike scoreboard where best historically can be deduced, for platfrom esi once you're dethroned theres no real evidence you ever held it
2. for people who submit alot and value alot equally thers just too much to get a certificate for evertyihng and platform levle, at least for me be comes a lot of fun

depending on price, i believe i would be interested in getting a certificate for topping the vectrex i'm pretty proud of that one

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Originally Posted by Snowflake

oh i almost forget, i requested this before and would like to request again -- platform esi certificates

1. unlike scoreboard where best historically can be deduced, for platfrom esi once you're dethroned theres no real evidence you ever held it
2. for people who submit alot and value alot equally thers just too much to get a certificate for evertyihng and platform levle, at least for me be comes a lot of fun

depending on price, i believe i would be interested in getting a certificate for topping the vectrex i'm pretty proud of that one

Once we get the basic TG Certificate issue handled and in order, we will then expand our achievement appreciation to other aspects such as this.

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Originally Posted by Jace Hall

Once we get the basic TG Certificate issue handled and in order, we will then expand our achievement appreciation to other aspects such as this.

Can replacement certificates be ordered in the event a recipient looses, misplaces or possibly throws one in the trash in disgust if a fraudulent documentary film is made featuring the same stolen subject matter?

Example: Suppose someone breaks a Twin Galaxies WR score and is recognized as the world record holder for a few years but is then unjustly deemed "constantly disputed and impossible to verify therefore merits no inclusion in the film" when the very same topic matter becomes of marketable interest via a fraudulent documentary film?

Suppose the same disenfranchised player then proves the defamation negating his achievement was a lie by producing a document such as a certificate to the right of title and complete video of the performance that was libelously deemed "constantly disputed and impossible to verify"

Just curious if certificates can be replaced and if I too can use any of the WR scores featured on the NEW Twin Galaxies scoreboard as a topic for a documentary film but re-write the history behind the topic to include my own preselected actors to exploit for themselves while I pay them life rights to the same? Does this sound like an acceptable practice?

The actual WR holder will be deemed "constantly disputed and impossible to verify therefore merits no inclusion in my film featuring the very same subject matter. How valuable would a certificate of achievement be under such circumstances? Would it O.K. for me to do this like it was for Seth Gordon and OLD Twin Galaxies?

Originally Posted by Skywarp

Can replacement certificates be ordered in the event a recipient looses, misplaces or possibly throws one in the trash in disgust if a fraudulent documentary film is made featuring the same stolen subject matter?

The new system being contemplated will likely allow the re-issuance of any previous TG Record certificate created before this new certificate system (if that record is still viewable on an actual available TG leaderboard). This will be so that all can participate in the new format/look/structure.

However, once a new TG Certificate is issued under the new method, there will never be a replacement issued. There will only be one made, and that is it, with the intention of that issuance being the only one forever. TG Certs will have unique IDs which connect specifically to the data in the database it is supposed to reflect, that will be checkable by anyone via the TG Website, so that there can never be a fraudulently created or faked TG Cert.

The new TG Certs will likely contain more detailed information than all previous versions of the TG Certs in the past.

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"The new TG Certs will likely contain more detailed information than all previous versions of the TG Certs in the past. "

Sounds like a good reason to issue an NFT.

Here my opinion:

- Only 1st, 2nd and 3rd places can have certificate but for that, track must have at least 3 submissions

-Differents details in certificates depending on 1st place, 2nd and 3rd place

-Price discount if 3 or more certificates are requested by same submitter for differents games

I'm most curious as to what approximate price point they will be.

My opinion on the requirements to have a score be acceptable for a certificate changes greatly between a 20 dollar item or a hundred dollar item.

The more expensive it is, the looser the requirements should be as it's primarily a revenue stream and it excludes more individuals based on cost.

If it's low cost and low profit, then we should talk about a minimum standard.

HI !

Is there any news or update about the new certificates ?

thanks!!

Originally Posted by SERGIO GERMAN OUBEL

HI !

Is there any news or update about the new certificates ?

thanks!!

No new updates, other than we are working on solutions so that certificates can return!

We hope to have them back within the next few months or sooner. Hopefully we will be able to accomplish this.

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Originally Posted by Jace Hall

No new updates, other than we are working on solutions so that certificates can return!

We hope to have them back within the next few months or sooner. Hopefully we will be able to accomplish this.

Thanks for the reply !!

ok!! waiting for them !

also, if i can help with something for that, let me know !

thanks for all !!

Here's another question.

Will many of these TG certificates be in digital form?

Originally Posted by trivia212005

Here's another question.

Will many of these TG certificates be in digital form?

The goal is to make each certificate completely unique and not copyable so there will likely need to be digital security measures for that.

We will see. We are almost about to get into the full implementation now that the new wall feed is complete.

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