Unique question regarding achievement certificates.

Suppose a player achieved a Twin Galaxies World Record 23 years ago and this same achievement was later used as the basis for a so-called "documentary" film without notifying or including the actual player involved with obtaining this achievement prior to filming?

Will a reissue certificate be made available to the real life achiever to which the so-called "documentary" is in reality based?

Will the achiever and disenfranchised player of stated documentary subject matter be entitled to reparation's from both past and future exploitation of his unjustly stolen documentary subject matter?

There were life rights contracts involved with the theft and unauthorized exploitation of this so-called "documentary" subject material.

Very dishonest business practice for OLD Twin Galaxies to negate and disenfranchise an established world record performance then unjustly award the same documentary credit to others when the subject became of marketable interest and value.

Perhaps Walter and Billy will have some answers to this at trial.

Tho it still makes me giggle a bit, there's nothing I can really pick apart there.

If you can believe this...

"Sounds good".

:)

Dammit, Skywarp.

Burn out, fade away, something...

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Originally Posted by Rogerpoco

Dammit, Skywarp.

Burn out, fade away, something...

Stars burn out and fade away.. that dude is a fungus.

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Originally Posted by Rogerpoco

Tho it still makes me giggle a bit, there's nothing I can really pick apart there.

If you can believe this...

"Sounds good".

:)

Dammit, Skywarp.

Burn out, fade away, something...

conspire

This is a unique but very valid question about the achievement awards.

Billy's lawsuit shake down scams wouldn't be occurring now if not for Billy abusing his authority at old Twin Galaxies to conspire with flim_flam film makers to create a fraudulent documentary to begin with.

The 1982 Billy DK score went from #2 back to #1 at the same time interest in the subject matter became profitable to himself. Why is that?

I'm glad these new achievement awards will have meaning and value.

Originally Posted by Skywarp

conspire

This is a unique but very valid question about the achievement awards.

Billy's lawsuit shake down scams wouldn't be occurring now if not for Billy abusing his authority at old Twin Galaxies to conspire with flim_flam film makers to rob an established player from such an achievement to create a fraudulent documentary film to begin with.

The 1982 Billy DK score went from #2 back to #1 at the same time interest in the subject matter became profitable to himself. Why is that?

I'm glad these new TG achievement awards will actually have the meaning and value they were deceptively advertised as having under OLD Twin Galaxies.

believe it or not i think i can actually turn tim's question into a closely related reasonable one.

his main goal is oh noes dont let anyone say steve weibe beat billy first since apparently its always billy billy billy with this guy all hail king billy beating his low scores is all that matters. well, the only way something at all relevant like this could ite in is if kok faked a certificate for steve to be the first to beat billy.

so to that end, while individual certificats have intellectual property over them, what about faking a random tg cert. For example, sure, lets go with the broken record, lets say kok didnt display ti'ms cert without his permission, but rather made a fake certificate with a fake tg stamp indicating steve got a first place dk score where he didnt. would tg step in and go after fraudulent displays of non existent tg certs? tim would have no claim over that since its not his cert, but the watering down of certs with fake certs of non existant records would be something i could see TG caring about and wanting to stop.

Can you elaborate on what part of the blockchain ecosystem is lacking in order to support me from buying a certificate of a former member that is fine with the sale, or they may have passed away? If I the blockchain supports me buying my own NFT, I fail to see how it would not supporting me buying some other NFT.

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Originally Posted by datagod

Can you elaborate on what part of the blockchain ecosystem is lacking in order to support me from buying a certificate of a former member that is fine with the sale, or they may have passed away? If I the blockchain supports me buying my own NFT, I fail to see how it would not supporting me buying some other NFT.

Good question. We all know the most valuable certs here will belong to theconsoleplayerofthecentury

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Originally Posted by Snowflake

believe it or not i think i can actually turn tim's question into a closely related reasonable one.

his main goal is oh noes dont let anyone say steve weibe beat billy first since apparently its always billy billy billy with this guy all hail king billy beating his low scores is all that matters. well, the only way something at all relevant like this could ite in is if kok faked a certificate for steve to be the first to beat billy.

so to that end, while individual certificats have intellectual property over them, what about faking a random tg cert. For example, sure, lets go with the broken record, lets say kok didnt display ti'ms cert without his permission, but rather made a fake certificate with a fake tg stamp indicating steve got a first place dk score where he didnt. would tg step in and go after fraudulent displays of non existent tg certs? tim would have no claim over that since its not his cert, but the watering down of certs with fake certs of non existant records would be something i could see TG caring about and wanting to stop.

I'm eagerly awaiting my certificate and a reboot of the KoK story line. Mr. Tashroudian can work for me if the long awaited sequel is made. Old Twin Galaxies and those bumbling film makers forgot to add the standard disclaimer found at the end of the "movie" (see pic)

The door will be wide open again if there's ever a reboot of KoK as the story is directly based on my achievement.

Originally Posted by datagod

Can you elaborate on what part of the blockchain ecosystem is lacking in order to support me from buying a certificate of a former member that is fine with the sale, or they may have passed away? If I the blockchain supports me buying my own NFT, I fail to see how it would not supporting me buying some other NFT.

In a nutshell, our new policy doesn't prevent you from purchasing a certificate directly from another individual. However, TG won't sell you someone else's certificate (with some possible exceptions that remain currently undefined).

If TG were to sell you another person's certificate directly, in most cases it would be ethically right for the record achiever to benefit from the sale. Implementing this would require a multifaceted royalty system where blockchain and smart contracts would only form the foundation.

Though blockchain can facilitate basic royalty distribution via smart contracts, creating a full-fledged system to manage intricate royalty pathways is a significant endeavor and a business in its own right.

A complete clearinghouse system would be essential, as issuing a new smart contract for each individual NFT isn't viable. Moreover, major trading platforms would need to adopt this system universally, ensuring royalty distribution regardless of where transactions occur.

To sidestep these complexities, TG's approach is simpler: only the record holder can buy their own certificate. This way, they decide its fate post-purchase.

I hope that made sense.

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Originally Posted by datagod

Can you elaborate on what part of the blockchain ecosystem is lacking in order to support me from buying a certificate of a former member that is fine with the sale, or they may have passed away? If I the blockchain supports me buying my own NFT, I fail to see how it would not supporting me buying some other NFT.

For me, it would be "is the other member really fine with it".

Likely 99 times out of 100, yes, but...

Now-I DID untype my own thoughts about possibly direct Family members being able to purchase them, in the stead of deceased loved ones, I could certainly understand that!

I believe TG has been very sensitive to some members issues about this, tbh, and feel like this is a great compromise.

It's OK to find compromise.

Originally Posted by Jace Hall

If TG were to sell you another person's certificate directly, in most cases it would be ethically right for the record achiever to benefit from the sale.

...

I hope that made sense.

Bah! Ethics!

Originally Posted by datagod

Bah! Ethics!

Hey now.. ethics are what separates us sophisticated folks from the heathens. 😉

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Originally Posted by Snowflake

believe it or not i think i can actually turn tim's question into a closely related reasonable one.

his main goal is oh noes dont let anyone say steve weibe beat billy first since apparently its always billy billy billy with this guy all hail king billy beating his low scores is all that matters. well, the only way something at all relevant like this could ite in is if kok faked a certificate for steve to be the first to beat billy.

so to that end, while individual certificats have intellectual property over them, what about faking a random tg cert. For example, sure, lets go with the broken record, lets say kok didnt display ti'ms cert without his permission, but rather made a fake certificate with a fake tg stamp indicating steve got a first place dk score where he didnt. would tg step in and go after fraudulent displays of non existent tg certs? tim would have no claim over that since its not his cert, but the watering down of certs with fake certs of non existant records would be something i could see TG caring about and wanting to stop.

Snowflake there's a matter of historic record the so-called "documentary" is based on that I most certainly do have a claim to , certificate or not, You should lean the difference between documentary film making and fictional story telling.

Walter DAZE and that scam Billy Mitchell both knew prior to filming that I beat Billy's 1982 DK world record in August of 2000 , yet there is a so-called "documentary" featuring this same topic matter with Steve Webie given the documented credit for the same?

Walter DAZE and that scam Billy Mitchell had a duty as custodians of such historical record keeping to inform the "documentary" film makers of my involvement in the subject matter. It was Walter and Billy's responsibility to tell the documentarians what to film not the other way around.

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Originally Posted by Skywarp

Tim's usual rant.

You know Tim, if it works out, you could buy your record / certificate / NFT, then you could sell it to me. Then I could sell it to somebody else. Every time it sells, you would get a cut of the sale price. Who knows? If enough people in the community buy it, you might end up with a good chunk of money.

I really want to buy and horde certificates.

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Originally Posted by Blackflag82

Good question. We all know the most valuable certs here will belong to theconsoleplayerofthecentury

i have decided i'm the consoleplayerofthecentruy post 2000. the other guy, if he wants to rebrand can keep conspoleplayerofthe20thcentury

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Originally Posted by Skywarp

Snowflake there's a matter of historic record the so-called "documentary" is based on that I most certainly do have a claim to , certificate or not, You should lean the difference between documentary film making and fictional story telling.

Walter DAZE and that scam Billy Mitchell both knew prior to filming that I beat Billy's 1982 DK world record in August of 2000 , yet there is a so-called "documentary" featuring this same topic matter with Steve Webie given the documented credit for the same?

Walter DAZE and that scam Billy Mitchell had a duty as custodians of such historical record keeping to inform the "documentary" film makers of my involvement in the subject matter. It was Walter and Billy's responsibility to tell the documentarians what to film not the other way around.

well thats what i get for trying to give you an area that can help. i do know the difference between doc and fiction by the way, its you who should learn reading comprehension. with that said, feel free to completlely fail to comprehend this and while insisting you did with your usual broken record that sadly, despite being your life obsession, isnt even fully accurate.

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This is very interesting. I didnt really understand how you planned on incorporating the blockchain into TG but this is a pretty clever way of doing it if I'm understanding this right. It will provide an incentive to submit new WR's and draw more people to TG to submit who might not have otherwise, especially if these ended up being correlated to a particular monetary value. I would assume each game's NFT would have a unique value, as some games and performances are seen in a much higher esteem than others.

I do fear this could also encourage those members who like to pad their stats with tons of cheap maxout submissions, though I assume those kinds of NFT's will hold little value, if any. Even with the more prestigious submissions, who is going to want to pay for an NFT that someone else earned? I guess there might be business oppurtunites in them if a guy thought he could market and sell some of these the right way, but even in the best scenario I dont see more than a small handfull of games having profitable NFT's to anyone outside of the record holder.

Very excited and curious to see where this leads.

Originally Posted by datagod

You know Tim, if it works out, you could buy your record / certificate / NFT, then you could sell it to me. Then I could sell it to somebody else. Every time it sells, you would get a cut of the sale price. Who knows? If enough people in the community buy it, you might end up with a good chunk of money.

I really want to buy and horde certificates.

This is not how it can work. Tim would not get a cut of the sale price once he sold it to you. Tim would get the payment for the sale transaction from you to him, and it ends there - just like everything else you own and might decide to sell.

As explained previously, there is not enough available ecosystem infrastructure that can currently support the instantiated / dynamic allocation of royalty payments at the moment of a random NFT issuance.

Originally Posted by Excelliron

This is very interesting. I didnt really understand how you planned on incorporating the blockchain into TG but this is a pretty clever way of doing it if I'm understanding this right. It will provide an incentive to submit new WR's and draw more people to TG to submit who might not have otherwise, especially if these ended up being correlated to a particular monetary value. I would assume each game's NFT would have a unique value, as some games and performances are seen in a much higher esteem than others.

I do fear this could also encourage those members who like to pad their stats with hundreds of no-talent, cheap, maxout submissions, though I assume those kinds of NFT's will hold little value, if any. Even with the more prestigious submissions, who is going to want to pay for an NFT that someone else earned? I guess there might be business oppurtunites in them if a guy thought he could market and sell some of these the right way, but even in the best scenario I dont see more than a small handfull of games having profitable NFT's to anyone outside of the record holder.

Very excited and curious to see where this leads.

The allure of a TG Certificate isn't primarily driven by the game; it's the player that brings its significance to life.

To illustrate, imagine if industry giants like Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg were to submit performances to TG, receive verification, and then purchase their corresponding TG Certificate NFTs. If these certificates were put up for bidding on a platform like Opensea.com, one could speculate that their value might surge well into six figures. This hypothetical value isn't based on the game, but rather the prominence and narrative attached to the certificate holders and their achievements.

Similarly, a record score like 1.3MM on DK could attract attention within certain collector circles, solely due to the accomplishment it represents.

Of course, this is all conjectural. The market might value them differently. Time will tell!

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