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11-04-2019 at 08:34 PM
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  1. Snowflake's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by thegamer1185


    I literally don't have a copy of the video. I deleted it off my youtube, and I deleted it off my hard drive. All the work I did is written down. The video was there for all to see for many months. I then removed it because it had nothing to do with my youtube page. I'm not keeping anything secret, it was there. I'm sure you and many others saw it was there.

    Don't put me into the group of people who refuse to upload their ****. It was there for months. Pretty sure I don't keep anything to myself. I got something to say, I say it. I removed it because I had the right to remove it. I proved to myself that everything about that score was plausible. I wrote it all down. Not need for the video after that. I don't see anyone else doing what I did to prove a score isn't possible on Contra 3 by playing through the boss and doing what I did.

    I have a question for you? Did you even watch the video? I know you where involved in that dispute and had to have seen it. Did you watch it? If you did, we wouldn't be having a conversation about it you would be saying "yes, you did all that. It all checked out with what you have written here. I guess this score is possible".

    You can find a video on youtube if you wanted to check my data. You can literally check all my written data by watching ANY contra 3 video that shows the boss fight. It's all there. While I didn't think the score was initially possible, I prove it was...even the doing it under 2 hours like it was stated is possible but I highly doubt it.



    look others including video and commment. frankly, i'll admit my lack of expertise, for all i know you're right and they're wrong. but its not fair for you to refernce a video that doesnt exist. if your notes is all that remains then reference them. its really odd for you to care so little about a video that you delete it, yet also bring it up and want credit for it

    and i'm not putting you in the group of people that refuse to upload, you put yourself in that group. no the video was never on tg. you have the right to rmeove and that s fine, but what you cant do is remove something and try to pretend its part of the permanent transparent package


    you NEVER made it part of the official dispute since you refused and continue to refuse to upload it directly to tg.

    and no i dindt watch it, how can i watch something that doesnt exist lol

  2. thegamer1185's Avatar

    I did post the video link to TG. What are you talking about? The video was in the dispute for months. I didn't say it was ever meant to be a part of the permanent evidence package. I posted a link to the video in the dispute. I wrote all my findings in the dispute to be permanent because I always planned on removing the video from my youtube channel because it had nothing to do with my channel. I'm saying while the dispute was active, that video was there. Once the dispute died down after awhile and no comments were made, I removed it. I never said anybody else's research was wrong, in fact it was there research that I used to do what I did. So I confirmed their research only because I needed it to do mine.

    I'm confused. If you didn't even watch my video have you even read my research in the dispute? If you had, then you know would I had a video link posted. Or am I misunderstanding something? It definitely existed. I'm sure the post with my now missing video link is still in the dispute. I would hope so since it's supposed to permanent.

  3. Jace Hall's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by swaggers

    Look at the Rodrigo mess. So many people have put in their own hours to show how that score is impossible, but the research and tests were only possible because Rodrigo uploaded a section of the video. With no video available it would just be another dispute sitting for all eternity.

    This is possibly true - however at minimum the score would have a centralized and detailed list/discussion surrounding its questionable validity permanently attached for any competitor to review and make their own personal determination with.

    Quote Originally Posted by swaggers
    TriForce's Contra score dispute seemed to have simply ended. If I missed the transparent explanation as to what he did that was allowed I'd love to hear it. Instead we have Dave having private conversations with him, none of which were added to the dispute despite TG's "transparent" policy on disputes. That one dispute has lead many to believe that it's open season on leeching as TG never officially said why that score stands.

    That dispute has a lot of strong points and discussion but does not reach anything near a definitive and objective standard. The conversation around the score is important in its own right, and is available for all to see and make evaluations themselves. It remains open and that discussion will continue to evolve over time.

    I think it is important to understand that TG has to be prepared in all these situations to go to court and fight a legal battle over its decisions and processes. Other sites or organizations may eventually reconsider some of their methods to evidence gathering / documenting / decision making if they find themselves potentially engaged in their own battles with people who make legal defamatory case arguments against them.

    As time marches on, things will only become more serious. It's inevitable.

    Quote Originally Posted by swaggers
    No one is asking you to match up the videos one by one to records on the scoreboard. People just want to see them. Post them all as part of a historical archives and the user base will continue to do your work for you by looking for relevant content.

    As mentioned previously, it's primarily a resource issue. We will eventually get to it. I understand the point you are making.

    Quote Originally Posted by swaggers
    I don't think that all refs were corrupt. I think they were un-paid and had a lot of stuff to go through and mistakes were made. Either by not actually having the time to view the content or simply from making a entry error. But errors are errors and they need to be fixed and as long as it's the user's job to fix TG's database please provide us with the tools to do so.

    Yes we are working on that. The dispute system is part of that effort.


    Updated 11-07-2019 at 12:11 PM by Jace Hall
  4. thegamer1185's Avatar

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/188840-Dispute-william-rosa-SNES-SFC-Contra-III-The-Alien-Wars-NTSC-Points-Player-TriForce-Johnson-Score-9-999-999/page52

    Hope this clears things up @Snowflake . It was there for awhile. And things seemed to slow way down on the dispute after after people watched it.

  5. Snowflake's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by thegamer1185

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/188840-Dispute-william-rosa-SNES-SFC-Contra-III-The-Alien-Wars-NTSC-Points-Player-TriForce-Johnson-Score-9-999-999/page52

    Hope this clears things up @Snowflake . It was there for awhile. And things seemed to slow way down on the dispute after after people watched it.

    yep, shows exactly what i said

    not permanent, not transparent.

    so while you're claimining noone else did a video even though they did, unwilling to look at others work, while wanting us to look at yours, its not even possible to look at yours

    what part of "no vid no did" dont you understand?
    or "permanent and transparent"

    oooo "video unavailable" such great permanent proof, i'll get to watching it right away

    i hope that made sense

  6. Snowflake's Avatar

    Also kyle your implication that the dispute slowed down cause of you dispute is false. The dispute had already slowed own 5 months before your posting, and your posting of questions already answered resparked it enough to briefly respond to you and died down again. so the idea that you evidence somehow ended the debate is not true at all. people had already accepted there wasnt much more to say

    There converation really wrapped up on september 13 2018,

    then 5 months later february 21sti actually necroed it asking if tg could clariyf what they would need to be enough evidence

    then you made a bunch of posts that got some responses
    then it went dormant again


    so i'm not sure where you're getting the idea that your secret mystery video is what caused the dispute to die down

  7. Ninglendo's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by thegamer1185

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/188840-Dispute-william-rosa-SNES-SFC-Contra-III-The-Alien-Wars-NTSC-Points-Player-TriForce-Johnson-Score-9-999-999/page52

    Hope this clears things up @Snowflake . It was there for awhile. And things seemed to slow way down on the dispute after after people watched it.

    The dispute didnt slow down because of you or your video. The dispute slowed down because TG had already made a decision before you uploaded your video. There was nothing new added to the dispute and with TG already making a decision people just gave up. You were late to the party by months.
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    Updated 11-07-2019 at 12:28 PM by Ninglendo
  8. thegamer1185's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake


    yep, shows exactly what i said

    not permanent, not transparent.

    so while you're claimining noone else did a video even though they did, unwilling to look at others work, while wanting us to look at yours, its not even possible to look at yours

    what part of "no vid no did" dont you understand?
    or "permanent and transparent"

    oooo "video unavailable" such great permanent proof, i'll get to watching it right away

    i hope that made sense

    Video was there for months, you missed it. Can't help that. Clearly people commenting about it means I did. Your video unavailable means I did. Very transparent with my info that others seem to agree with. Permanent is my wording that was taken from my findings from my video. Seems permanent and transparent. Okay, glad that's cleared up that I did what I said I did.

    Now lets got what you think I said versus what I didn't actually say. I said no else made a video of what I did, as in the point pressing strategy at the end and finding out if it was even possible. Of course there are other videos in that dispute, that's how I figured out my point pressing strategy. The guys who figured out the HP for the boss is what I used to do it. Not sure why you are putting words into my mouth that I have never said but what the hell man? Why does everything need to have video these days for it to be considered valid? I did it, wrote about it, others acknowledged and agree with it. If you don't like it, do it yourself man. You were definitely active before and after I made all those posts starting on page 50 of that dispute. You missed it. It happens. If I hadn't posted the link we wouldn't even be having whatever the purpose of this conversation is. I never discredited anyone in that dispute and their findings. Not sure where you are getting that from. Certainly don't need you coming at me like I'm now hiding something when it's all right there in the dispute. Read it.

  9. Snowflake's Avatar

    i didnt miss anything. i actually take the time to read all comments instead of just wanting to people read mine while not reading others. i even watch all videos, wel, all the ones that actually exist. sorry if you dont like me pointing out your video doesnt exist, but it doesnt. so any reference you make to it cannot be considering proof. thats just how it is. go ahead and cite your notes, but all we have is your notes, no proof.

    i'll even say maybe you're right, i make no pretense of being an expert. but when other people have video with their claim, and you just have words, then i feel they make a stronger case.

  10. thegamer1185's Avatar

    Fair enough.

  11. datagod's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by thegamer1185
    The video was there for many months and not once did anyone comment on it. I didn't want it on my youtube page, so I removed it.

    LOL. Your evidence in the dispute is a video that nbobody watched so you deleted it then scrubbed all traces of it? HAHAHAHAH

    Oh man. That's rich!


  12. Snowflake's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by thegamer1185

    I did post the video link to TG. What are you talking about? The video was in the dispute for months. I didn't say it was ever meant to be a part of the permanent evidence package. I posted a link to the video in the dispute. I wrote all my findings in the dispute to be permanent because I always planned on removing the video from my youtube channel because it had nothing to do with my channel. I'm saying while the dispute was active, that video was there. Once the dispute died down after awhile and no comments were made, I removed it. I never said anybody else's research was wrong, in fact it was there research that I used to do what I did. So I confirmed their research only because I needed it to do mine.

    I'm confused. If you didn't even watch my video have you even read my research in the dispute? If you had, then you know would I had a video link posted. Or am I misunderstanding something? It definitely existed. I'm sure the post with my now missing video link is still in the dispute. I would hope so since it's supposed to permanent.


    again not true if you want to focus on "active". you made those comments AFTER the dispute alredy died down. you added them 5 months after the dispute stopped being active and then who knows when you removed it.

    i've even pointed out you might be right. let clarify my issues with triforce's score and you since i cant prove max score myself my issue my not be from the standard angle

    1. Triforce -- my issue is when another player asked about using the tactic BEFORE triforce figured it out he was told that wouldnt be allowed. So i think its really unfair there was one set of rules of whats "excessive leeching" for triforce and another set for his competitors. That shadiness combined with some of his replies and him conspiring with jace is what really got me.
    2. you keep on implying your video made the dispute die down
    2a. thats not true since the dispute was already dead for 5 months
    2b. if you're gonna reference the video in the here and now, then its fair for me to point out it no longer exists. you dont get to claim you proved something when the proof doesnt exist. you can claim you convinced yourself. you can claim you at one point put the video up. but thats not proof. proof, is well, proof. heck you might be right, but you didnt prove you're right

  13. thegamer1185's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

    i didnt miss anything. i actually take the time to read all comments instead of just wanting to people read mine while not reading others. i even watch all videos, wel, all the ones that actually exist. sorry if you dont like me pointing out your video doesnt exist, but it doesnt. so any reference you make to it cannot be considering proof. thats just how it is. go ahead and cite your notes, but all we have is your notes, no proof.

    i'll even say maybe you're right, i make no pretense of being an expert. but when other people have video with their claim, and you just have words, then i feel they make a stronger case.

    Yes, I don't read what anyone has to say nor want to give them credit for their work. Got it. Videos that once where but aren't anymore never existed. Check. Any reference to anything that no longer exists like dinosaurs or the any other endangered species/era of time can't be considered as having any proof of their existence even with other people commenting on said proof. Roger.

    I'm just posting for reads. I guess that is apparently how I like to waste my time.

  14. Snowflake's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by thegamer1185


    Yes, I don't read what anyone has to say nor want to give them credit for their work. Got it. Videos that once where but aren't anymore never existed. Check. Any reference to anything that no longer exists like dinosaurs or the any other endangered species/era of time can't be considered as having any proof of their existence even with other people commenting on said proof. Roger.

    I'm just posting for reads. I guess that is apparently how I like to waste my time.


    wow man not what i said, well some of it is

    dont read what others say -- well you at least act like you didnt read it since your responses sure dont show that reading it did you any good
    dont give them credit -- i tell you what, i'll write this one off as a miscommunication. when you said noone else did what you did i took that to mean make a video, i didnt realize you meant noone else came to the exact same conclusion as you.
    video once there never existed -- nope, i never ever said that. i said they dont exist now, they're not permanent and tey're not transparent, which they arent. sorry, again, mystery secret proof of talking about once was dont work no more. billy also had lots of witnesses and video proof.

    do you even want to prove what you're so proud of from your mysery video? or do you just wanna prove how smart you are and how you once had proof and single handedly ended the dispute? if your only goal is to say you're very smart, have at it, you're very smart. still not proof. i await proof.

  15. Jace Hall's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

    ...and him conspiring with jace is what really got me.

    Literally no idea what you are talking about this. Nobody conspired with anyone about anything. That seems so random to me. Please elaborate.

  16. thegamer1185's Avatar

    How are you getting I think I'm really smart or that I'm proud of a video for test purposes? It is a miscommunication because how the hell are you coming up with this stuff? Others did come to the same conclusion from my video that you choose to ignore. The fact I removed it for whatever reason doesn't change that fact. I didn't give two shits about any credit for anything I did. My bad I don't sit and dissect everything. Yep, guilty of that since this entire site is riddled with past grudges cluttering up what seems to be every topic at this point. I remember what I remember and go from there. My bad, I was wrong when I said the dispute died down after I posted my stuff. I apologize, dear God please forgive me. I was trying to help prove that score was impossible because I honestly thought it was. The credit you seem to think I don't give others is insulting. I've never discredited anyone for doing something I didn't do myself. Turns out in trying to prove the score is invalid, I was surprised and did the opposite. I proved, by using other peoples research to help conduct my own, to be plausible. I then posted a video and written analysis of my findings. Guess I'm glad some people acknowledged and appreciated it. Does saying it like that make it any better that I didn't care for cred or how smart I was?

    I wasn't asking for anything, but you started this whole "no vid no did" crap and it's insulting. The fact you are trying to dismiss it is insulting. Don't act like you wouldn't be offended by someone disregarding something you did when you were trying to help out. I never asked for any credit at all but when someone starts say what you did is irrelevant now because they didn't watch something, it's disrespectful. Period. You came at me about something you didn't even watch so you have no right to comment on it. Isn't that what you just said to me? I can't comment a video that no longer exists? Now I'm apparently needing credit for being smart and shouldn't take pridea in what I did? I got news for you, I take pride in everything around me. The people I know, the things I've done, the things they do. Even you Bill. Kind of surprised that you will take old TG ref's accounts on subjects but my posting a video, coming to a conclusion and others agreeing with that conclusion is a "no vid, no did" situation? Guess I don't understand that logic.

    How the **** did this conversation even get to this point? We are pretty fucking pathetic at this point for even carrying on about something so stupid. What a waste of fucking time.

  17. thegamer1185's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Jace Hall


    Literally no idea what you are talking about this. Nobody conspired with anyone about anything. That seems so random to me. Please elaborate.

    Glad to see I'm not the only one confused by the what the hell is being said on here.

  18. thegamer1185's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by datagod


    LOL. Your evidence in the dispute is a video that nbobody watched so you deleted it then scrubbed all traces of it? HAHAHAHAH

    Oh man. That's rich!


    No, the evidence is what I wrote down. The video was just there for anyone wanting to see how I did it to compare or say my method wasn't right or whatever it is people had a problem with. I left it up for months. Never meant for the video to be permanent. After months and no more views I removed it from my youtube profile. Nothing rich about it. That's what it was. I could have just written down everything I had found from own research and left it at that. Turns out it has taken months for someone to comment. Sweet irony.

    Can this whole conversation be done now?

  19. Snowflake's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Jace Hall


    Literally no idea what you are talking about this. Nobody conspired with anyone about anything. That seems so random to me. Please elaborate.


    deepest apologies, i meant dave. i'd go back and edit to fix it, but then the follow up replies wouldnt make sense. i was talking about him sending dave private emails that was only acknowledge after triforce made a video not realizing the emails showed up in the background of his desktop.


    your call, i'll edit the comment if you prefer, or leave it as is so the follow up confuison makes sense

  20. Snowflake's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by thegamer1185


    I wasn't asking for anything, but you started this whole "no vid no did" crap and it's insulting. The fact you are trying to dismiss it is insulting. Don't act like you wouldn't be offended by someone disregarding something you did when you were trying to help out.


    not true again. if i dont provide proof yet claim to provide proof i expect to be called out. i dont have video of everyting i've ever done and in such matters i acnowledge i cant prove it, and just let peole know i stand by it and they can believe me or not. i'm sorry you find "no vid no did" so insulting, but guess what "no vid no did" its the 21st century. by the way, the phrase isnt literal. obviously a video not existing isnt proof something didnt happen. its a cute quick way of saying if you lack video then its not proof.

    you also in the tirade complain i didnt watch it, well i ask you how can i watch something that doesnt exist? you want me to watch it, show it to me and i will. i'd love to see it. if your video actually proves the other videos wrong great. but so far we have writeups with video saying it cant be done, and your write up with a secret mystery video saying it cant.

    seriously, be tranpsarent and permanent, attach the video to the dispute in such a way that you cant edit or delete it later, i'll totally watch it. and if l learn something i wont just thank you, i'll even apologize for not being able to find a nicer way to say all this

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