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11-17-2021 at 09:31 AM
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TG Jace Hall & Admin Staff need Rules for Ghost 'n Goblins since it has Grandfathered none exist.

@Jace Hall @admin staff

'Grandfathered' arcade tracks locked out... why? - Wall - Twin Galaxies

We apologize for the inconvenience, but this variation is no longer available for submissions. The scores within now fall under the Grandfather clause where they all will remain but no more scores will be added.

If you wish to submit for this title, please consult with the Tournament Settings variation for this title, found here;
https://www.twingalaxies.com/index.a...=3413&vi=31490

What is the Grandfather clause? Also the link above in the Rules statement is dead.

So why did some games get 'Grandfathered'?

https://www.twingalaxies.com/game/ghosts-n-goblins/arcade

All restrictions on grandfathered tracks should have been lifted when Jace took over, so I think the language in the rules was something that was missed. I just clicked through on the "submit" button and it brought me to the submission screen so I believe it would work.

So at this point we would just request to have that the track be retitled "Points [Marathon]" and have the current rules language removed and replaced with relevant track rules.

The whole grandfathering exercise was generally contentious, and particularly in this case, shouldn't have been done in the first place since the tournament track put up scores that eclipsed Nelson's marathon score in no time.

On the issue of rules, the MAME marathon track rules were a mirror of the arcade marathon track (the track currently grandfathered) so I would simply write to the scoreboard errors wall post with a link to the arcade track with a request to remove the grandfathered text to replace with the marathon rules in force at the time, with the addition of a "no leeching" restriction if desired.

Here's a request back in 2010 to reopen the GnG marathon track (grandfathered) since there's an equivalent track for MAME with the "no excessive leeching" caveat:
https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthr...oblins#post699 586

The marathon rules, ironically, date back to the Video Game Masters Tournament, and at that time the rules were dubbed "tournament rules." The one key element is that the rules of competition permitted the granting of bonus lives every 70,000 point. Since the game was basically brand new in 1985, I think the continuous granting of bonus lives wasn't a crazy proposition for a population still figuring out the game. At that time, there was only one specific "anti-leeching" scenario that was banned. I'm not clear if this is the same as the "cave leech" referenced in the MAME rules.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140123195127/http://mysite.verizon.net:80/hattg/pics/videogame/1986_VGM_TOGM.pdf

Richard Webb won the contest with a score of 510,500, achieved on June 27, 1986. However, if you look at the grandfathered track, his score states 2004, which I understand was a bug from a database migration event at that time.

For reference, here's the post announcing the decision to grandfather the track, based on the justification of leeching fears.

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/118592-Ghosts-n-Goblins-New-Settings-Announced

I was never a fan of grandfathering, so yes, let's get this opened up for competition again.

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    All the grandfathered tracks are open for submission. Some of them haven't had the rules updated. Request the rule change in the scoreboard errors thread.

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