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12-10-2019 at 07:08 AM
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How many Twin Galaxy members both past & present gave money or business partners with Twin Galaxy?

How many Twin Galaxy members both past & present gave money or business partners with Twin Galaxy? Then you have power to do anything on the website against anybody, I happen to be in the cross hairs & I am not in the click of certain TG members.

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  1. RTM's Avatar

    Not 100% sure what you're looking for, Juan, but here goes speaking exclusively for myself.

    Prior to being a TG staffer I gave Walter Day $500 for a number of copies of the 1st TG Book of Records and donated copies of them to the multiple local grade schools both public and catholic in my neighborhood which had school libraries.

    Once a TG staffer I made private donations to Funspot/ACAM usually in the form of a full-scale arcade machine beginning with "Galaxian" in 2001. All in all approx 13-14 games were donated to ACAM over the years, some while still a TG staffer, others afterwards. Titles included the following but I could easily have forgotten one or two...

    Working - Galaxian, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, Timber, Pong Doubles, Smash TV, Zombie Raid, Iron Horse, Monte Carlo, Cosmic Guerilla, Moon Shuttle

    Parts (boards/artwork/etc combined to form a working game) - Night Stocker, Pandora's Palace

    Non-Working/Problems - Rip Off, Sea Raider (neither of these were ever released to the floor)...Rip Off was a dead duck after it partially caught on fire, and Sea Raider as I last understood it had a part that dislodged deep into the playfield and was nearly impossible to extract without taking apart most of the game.

    Also while still a TG staffer, and I forget the year I did this, I put up cash prizes at one event for highest scores on Easy, Medium and Hard "Indiana Jones", for a round robin competition on "Pong Doubles" and for the highest scores on "Addams Family Pinball". I think that was $700 in total cash prizes awarded.

    Lastly I often donated raffle prizes so ACAM/Miss Wini could raise some funds...usually gaming-related T-Shirts and items but once an XBox 360 and related items. I can't remember everything donated over the years as it's just too much to remember clearly.

    Otherwise while as a TG staffer my personal time was donated to work with Graham L. from Lincoln Center to produce a short video clip, same for working with Stephen Totillo of MTV.

    Again, not sure what you are driving at here so unsure if the above helps your goal or not.


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  2. Snowflake's Avatar

    pretty sure billy gave money to earlier iterations of tg, but acknowledging i'm functioning off hearsay and never saw receipts or anything like that.

    don atreides was a 3 star member though, so he definitely gave money to the right to game campaign and is listed as a "founder" yet he found himself banned, and never even cheated. so the idea that people can give just give money and act with impunity i think don pretty will disproved.

    our very own datagod has found himself banned from at least one thread but i think multiple, so while not a site wide band, he certainly isnt given a blank check.

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  3. Snowflake's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by RTM

    Not 100% sure what you're looking for, Juan, but here goes speaking exclusively for myself.

    Prior to being a TG staffer I gave Walter Day $500 for a number of copies of the 1st TG Book of Records and donated copies of them to the multiple local grade schools both public and catholic in my neighborhood which had school libraries.

    Once a TG staffer I made private donations to Funspot/ACAM usually in the form of a full-scale arcade machine beginning with "Galaxian" in 2001. All in all approx 13-14 games were donated to ACAM over the years, some while still a TG staffer, others afterwards. Titles included the following but I could easily have forgotten one or two...

    Working - Galaxian, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, Timber, Pong Doubles, Smash TV, Zombie Raid, Iron Horse, Monte Carlo, Cosmic Guerilla, Moon Shuttle

    Parts (boards/artwork/etc combined to form a working game) - Night Stocker, Pandora's Palace

    Non-Working/Problems - Rip Off, Sea Raider (neither of these were ever released to the floor)...Rip Off was a dead duck after it partially caught on fire, and Sea Raider as I last understood it had a part that dislodged deep into the playfield and was nearly impossible to extract without taking apart most of the game.

    Also while still a TG staffer, and I forget the year I did this, I put up cash prizes at one event for highest scores on Easy, Medium and Hard "Indiana Jones", for a round robin competition on "Pong Doubles" and for the highest scores on "Addams Family Pinball". I think that was $700 in total cash prizes awarded.

    Lastly I often donated raffle prizes so ACAM/Miss Wini could raise some funds...usually gaming-related T-Shirts and items but once an XBox 360 and related items. I can't remember everything donated over the years as it's just too much to remember clearly.

    Otherwise while as a TG staffer my personal time was donated to work with Graham L. from Lincoln Center to produce a short video clip, same for working with Stephen Totillo of MTV.

    Again, not sure what you are driving at here so unsure if the above helps your goal or not.



    this is one thing i can completely with zero sarcasm compliment you for. if memory serves, didnt you also offer a prize to beat the seinfeld frogger score? thats a pretty fun concept.

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  4. datagod's Avatar

    I have been banned from multiple disputes, and was given a sitewide ban for one entire week (was not even given a reason until I demanded one, and was told that I was basically too grumpy).

    Rudy Ferrett is positive I donated $100,000 but that is pure fiction. I donated a small amount to the Right2Game campaign and received my beloved "3 star founder" moniker.

    Now as for my twin brother Roy, I can neither confirm nor deny he is the Secret Admin and maintains errie site-wide powers.

    And yes RTM is awesome for the amount of items he donated to ACAM. That marble race car game -- still in the original packing crate -- was incredible!! I play it every time I go there.



    And look at this wonderful best! Donate by Robert!

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  5. Jace Hall's Avatar

    To those observing, be advised that JJTs decision to post this made his situation worse for him.

    Don’t follow this kind of behavioral pattern if you get the hammer, it will not help.

    He may now lose his submission privileges for a while. We are thinking about it.

    That is all.

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  6. RTM's Avatar

    "Snowflake" said - "if memory serves, didnt you also offer a prize to beat the seinfeld frogger score? that's a pretty fun concept"



    RTM REPLY - correct, this was referred to as "The Costanza Bounty". There was even a poster made up as it had such PR potential at the time. It was even suggested that Billy or Walter send one of these posters to both the actor playing George Costanza and the producers of the "Seinfeld" show at the time, but I never heard confirmation that the suggested action was taken.

    As it turned out, before the "bounty" expired, Pat Laffaye claimed the next-highest "bounty" by beating the existing world record at the time.

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  7. Ninglendo's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by RTM

    "Snowflake" said - "if memory serves, didnt you also offer a prize to beat the seinfeld frogger score? that's a pretty fun concept"



    RTM REPLY - correct, this was referred to as "The Costanza Bounty". There was even a poster made up as it had such PR potential at the time. It was even suggested that Billy or Walter send one of these posters to both the actor playing George Costanza and the producers of the "Seinfeld" show at the time, but I never heard confirmation that the suggested action was taken.

    As it turned out, before the "bounty" expired, Pat Laffaye claimed the next-highest "bounty" by beating the existing world record at the time.

    I remember the Doom 3 bounties you put up in the early 2000s. Those were great.
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  8. lexmark's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake



    don atreides was a 3 star member though, so he definitely gave money to the right to game campaign and is listed as a "founder" yet he found himself banned, and never even cheated. so the idea that people can give just give money and act with impunity i think don pretty will disproved.

    It's unfortunate that Don is banned. BUT, in the end he just tried to push TOO much sh*t up hill. Ya can't do that!

    [/QUOTE]


    john


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  9. Barthax's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by lexmark


    It's unfortunate that Don is banned. BUT, in the end he just tried to push TOO much sh*t up hill. Ya can't do that!


    john


    .

    [/QUOTE]


    LOL, yeah, lesson to learn: don't repeatedly goad the owner of a site suggesting they're incapable of banning anybody. :P

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  10. The Evener's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake
    don atreides was a 3 star member though, so he definitely gave money to the right to game campaign and is listed as a "founder" yet he found himself banned, and never even cheated. so the idea that people can give just give money and act with impunity i think don pretty will disproved.

    I can't for the life me search the site by user post to confirm the exact events that led to Don's (Cthulhu) ban, so I can't know at the outset if the following question is outrageous because the "blaze of glory" left by Don was too bright for any type of return (I do recall several dust-ups where he got in Jace's grill), or if there is some sort of way back. I did rewatch the interview that Snowflake had with Don, some of his criticisms related to the damaged caused by the tribunal system and the lack of clear TG moderation by admins, and we know now the situation is different.

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/jjtdefender/wall/5222/can-someone-tell-me-what-are-founder-please-explain-twin-galaxy-staff-and-members-i-am-sure-other-tg-members-would-like-to-know-to

    When Jace returned from hiatus, I recall that in a brief discussion on his wall (I believe), he lifted bans of at least two users as a means to "turn the page on the past." I was curious if this had merit in Don's case as well. Again, I'm airing this without knowing the full extent since things may have been said off-line that reinforced TG's decision, but again, since there was some revisiting of bans earlier in the spring (I think), I wondered if it might apply here.

    EDIT: I watched the whole interview now, there was definitely some personal insults there, so I don't wish to been seen as glossing over anything. The people directly involved know what happened, so this was just a query to see if this situation also might be included in recent ban liftings, recognizing at the outset that each case is unique and thus the "outcome" may change, or stay the same.

    Updated 12-11-2019 at 05:51 AM by The Evener
  11. Barthax's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by The Evener


    I can't for the life me search the site by user post to confirm the exact events that led to Don's (Cthulhu) ban,


    More > Forums. Above the blue bar, Search Forum > Advanced Search. Enter Cthulhu (it should also offer the option as you type) into the User Name and tick "Exact Name". Click Search.

    Note: Don deleted large quantities of posts so you'll only see stubs.

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    Updated 12-11-2019 at 05:58 AM by Barthax
  12. The Evener's Avatar

    Thanks Barthax. Don said near the end of the interview that his "final" comment was in a tribunal, the tone of which he thought might get him banned. I assume that the Tribunal archive is removed from public view? I think one had to be at 2,000 cred to participate, and I finally reached the threshold. :)



  13. Snowflake's Avatar

    if you saw the interview then you know don's feelings. it named "feelinga and stuff" not "facts and stuff" cause the focus is the person. unfortunatley, since the focus was his motives, some of the facts that his motives were based on, while well known to the target audience of the time may be missed now.

    the really short version i'd say is, i honestly agreed with the core of his complaints but he went about it all wrong. Not only did jace satisfactorily resolve the original issue eventually making it moot, but don made many arguments in many threads on unrelated points, and on at least one occasion i remember purposely accusing jace of taking the opposite stance that jace actually took thereby just wasting time on a strawman argument. I like don, i hated to see him go, i agreed with his complaints, but sadly he handled it poorly.

    i also dont think glen and dread's unban would apply. they were banned by dave and then unbanned by jace. don was banned by jace.

    i'll try to give a longer example below. note that a closely related history is tg's policy on sex offenders was born out of the same argument. as such its senstiive so i'll do my best to describe it unoffensively but it may be difficult

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  14. Snowflake's Avatar

    You need to understand tribunals. We could vote to restrict/silence people for x period of time. yes, those forums are now hidden. at one point before polls were used, and when likes were anonymous, likes of two different posts were used as votes. the like count was the vote. posts used to just say "x people lked this". those votes were meant to be secret, now they're exposed. also the 2000 cred rule was added later, and in a way goes to don's argument.

    the tribunal seemed to be just jace's way of letting us be the bad guy. not unlike ersatz_cats current complaints that jace lies about motives. The suspicioin eventually became jace wanted us to get rid of rudy, wouldnt do it himself, created the tribunal for that reason. The issue is, as jace started to interfere with other tribunals some of us started to doubt his motives. in jace's defense he eventually let us continue the tribunals he shut down (except one, the sex offender one, more on that later). rules kept on changing as well, including the 2000 cred rule. this already led to frustration that we had to be the bad guys if we wanted a moderated site, but then we werent even allowed to moderate the people that needed moderation most, or rather we had to jump through a bunch of hoops. this got especially emotional when the tribunal of a convicted child molestro was shut down and rules were actually changed. the clause that let us tribunalize people for offsite behavior -- behavior off a mass shooter was given -- was removed so that we could no longer tribunalize the sex offener. you could see where don could view this as defending sex offenders. in jace defense he did eventually create anotehr rule to deal with sex offenders (more on that later).

    so i think thats what my intereview with him doesnt really delve into much. the tribunal of the sex offender. thats understandably emotional. that combined with belief that jace was refused to be the bad guy and just using us led to don, well, doing way overboard.

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    new rule on sex offenders. after much complaint (and this might be preserved in the state of the galaxy thread, i dont think its a tribunal thread so it exists viewable somewhere on site) Jace justified his decision to not let us tribunalize sex offenders with many analogies. one of the analogies was essentailly (paraphrased) "dont blame twingalaxies for not banning sex offenders unless you eqully fault facebook for the same reason". i jumped on that and pointed out jace was wrong in his assumption of facebook and that facebook does in fact ban sex offenders for offsite behavior. all anyone has to do is prove to facebook the person is a real life sex offender, and they're gone. upon seeing that, jace still refused to let us open a tribunal on sex offenders but rather elected to exactly copy facebook's policy. Now the policy is, though we cant silence them, if anyone has proof of a sex offender, they can make a formal complain and jace will ban them in the same way that facebook would.

    note, that since this bad is for offsite behavior, it does not come with a stripping of records, a decision i agree with. if the scoreboard is to be accurate, then no matter how awful someone's offsite behavior is, as long as their scores are real, the scores belong here.

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  16. The Evener's Avatar

    Ah, thanks for the refresher. I do recall the sex offender / Facebook discussion now, so with the added tribunal background context, I have a fuller portrait. So yes, Jace banned Don, again Jace may not wish to revisit his decision, I overlooked the Dave connection to those bans so yeah, the "turning the page" might have limited application in this case, but what the heck, some call this time of year a season for forgiving.

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    i'm also not sure if don even wants to return. don went to medical school i believe. his games were a distraction and he knew it. i guess like an alcoholic cant even be near alcohol don couldnt be near his games. i actually bought a small portion of his collection -- the gamecube to gameboy converter and i think a few other things. I've since lost contact with him. no falling out, or fight, just nothing to talk about and presumably him being busy.

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