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02-18-2020 at 11:58 AM
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Were R David Nelson,Martin Bedard,Tom Ducan,Jason Cram,Kelly Flewin,Dwayne Richards,Tom Votova now?

1. Where are the Top ESI Expert Skill Players like David Nelson,Martin Bedard,Tom Ducan,Jason Cram,Kelly Flewin,Adam Wood,Dwayne Richards,Tom Votava etc? Why are they not competing or uploading video game submissions in the TGSAP era. Were video recording is required not verified by a referee like in the past.

1a.Can TG members answer about these players, maybe we can get them back playing again, it is worth try to bring back these great players?

2. What happened to Donald Hayes one of the worlds best all around classic arcade game players?

3. What happen these players->Jeffrey Dean Lowe, Jr.,Fred Bugmann,J. Eric Geddes,Albert Daubee,Neil Chapman,Troy Whelan,Shawn Cram,Steve Gumtow,Anders Svensson,Henrik Orreblad, Brian Kuh, Tim Balderramos,Dean Saglio,Mark Longridge,Aart van Vliet,Brian Johnstone,Frankie Cardulla


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  1. Garrett Holland's Avatar

    Not sure about the others, but Don Hayes is indeed still around, and occasionally comments in the forums ... as recently as a couple of weeks ago.

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  2. Garrett Holland's Avatar

    Tom Duncan has made it clear that he wants nothing to do with TG anymore.

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  3. Garrett Holland's Avatar

    I'd like to know where Doug Korekach is. He's got some 'splainin to do LOL!

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  4. Rogerpoco's Avatar

    I actually asked JD recently about mebbe coming back around, he says he is just done with competitive gaming.

    Bugmann still submits from time to time, I've seen him pop in several times over the past few years, Good Guy.


    Sometimes people just move on from stuff, wind up with different hobbies, things like that, and just fade away.



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  5. Snowflake's Avatar

    dwayne showed up in your dispute of his score. he's also been known tomake videos from time to time about his feelings on billy mitchell related matters


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  6. Derek's Avatar
    I'm pretty sure anders svensson still around just not here at TG, he's at Marp and plays in the mame tournaments
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  7. Blackflag82's Avatar

    I heard they were all trying to beat your Fast and Furious skills but couldn't so they decided to call it quits

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  9. Rogerpoco's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Fly


    I like my World, but yours sure looks fun to live in!!!

    Awesome Bro pic there.

    :D

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  10. Garrett Holland's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Fly


    I recognize you and D. Richard... who are the other two?

    Updated 02-18-2020 at 08:45 PM by Garrett Holland
  11. Fly's Avatar

    Left to right: Abdner Ashman, Tim Balderramos, Dwayne Richard, and some chump who photo bombed their pic.

  12. Barthax's Avatar

    Mark Longridge has been on the forums in this year. Frankie Cardulla was here during this era TG - good banter between him & Marcade as always when he shows up.


    As for why people don't post or aren't here, it's like the legal tagline requirement for all UK gambling ads: "When the fun stops, stop."

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    Updated 02-18-2020 at 11:43 PM by Barthax
  13. Marcade's Avatar

    Ah, yes. My former partner in crime Frankie Cardulla (cyberfly) . Very talented 2600 gamer, along with Doug Korekach. (AKA the "fifth ghost" in the forums)

    Good times...

    IF only full transparency was around during those referee days, would of been fun to watch some of their gameplay

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  14. Barthax's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Marcade

    Ah, yes. My former partner in crime Frankie Cardulla (cyberfly) . Very talented 2600 gamer, along with Doug Korekach. (AKA the "fifth ghost" in the forums)

    Good times...

    IF only full transparency was around during those referee days, would of been fun to watch some of their gameplay


    Couldn't for the life of me remember Doug's forum ID. Thanks. :)

  15. RTM's Avatar

    1. Where are the Top ESI Expert Skill Players like David Nelson,Martin Bedard,Tom Ducan,Jason Cram,Kelly Flewin,Adam Wood,Dwayne Richards,Tom Votava etc?

    2. What happened to Donald Hayes one of the worlds best all around classic arcade game players?

    3. What happen these players->Jeffrey Dean Lowe, Jr.,Fred Bugmann,J. Eric Geddes,Albert Daubee,Neil Chapman,Troy Whelan,Shawn Cram,Steve Gumtow,Anders Svensson,Henrik Orreblad, Brian Kuh, Tim Balderramos,Dean Saglio,Mark Longridge,Aart van Vliet,Brian Johnstone,Frankie Cardulla



    RTM REPLY - without breaching confidences, here's what I can provide...and I'm leaving off any names that I am either unfamiliar with or never directly dealt with on a personal level...

    David Nelson - happily married now, living the family life, and still occasionally gaming...traditionally spotted every week before Thanksgiving at Funspot conducting the "chocolate challenge" at the skee-ball area

    Martin Bedard - lots of work-related travel all across the globe, but still pays visits to major arcades as his time permits...also traditionally spotted every week before Thanksgiving at Funspot

    Tom Duncan - like myself he focuses on his other hobby, non-sports trading card collecting

    Jason Cram - living the family life and running his own business now...likely squeezes in gaming when family life permits

    Kelly Flewin - no longer in touch with him

    Adam Wood - haven't seen him at Funspot in quite a few years...unsure if he shows during the May events but definitely not there during the week before Thanksgiving for a great many years

    Dwayne Richard - still "shrooming" in the Great White North, still into theology, and working on at some point another "Ironman" style event down the line

    Tom Votava - no idea if he is still gaming, but I recently had a great conversation with him with respect to the history of speed-running both the original "Zelda" and "Castlevania" for the NES

    Donald Hayes - happily married now, living the family life, and when time permits he squeezes in gaming as well as competing in table tennis events

    JD Lowe - no longer in touch with him

    Neil Chapman - haven't spoken to him in a while...I think I last spoke with him regarding the specifics of what happens at the end of "Circus Charlie"

    Troy Whelan - no longer in touch with him

    Shawn Cram - he's a very hard worker...90+ hours per week easy. I only see him every couple of November trips to ACAM

    Anders Svensson - haven't heard from him since one of the old TG MAME Deca events pre-2007 so it's been awhile

    Brian Kuh - once every two or three years he shows up in November during my trip to Funspot...apparently he is getting his very own Facebook "celebrity" (public figure) page soon

    Tim Balderramos - I last saw Tim during the Pacman event in NYC quite a few years back, but I think he has chimed in on the TG forum at least a FEW times over the past several years...unsure what he does today with respect to gaming as he has achieved all that can be achieved in "Pacman"

    Dean Saglio - haven't heard of Dean ever since the DK record was pushed to upper echelon limits...unsure if he still competes or participates with the DK forum

    Mark Longridge - the "Cubeman" is still interested in classic arcade gaming lore and I frequently discuss historical arcade topics with him from time to time

    Aart Van Vliet - I last spoke with Aart shortly after I finally broke his "Super Galaxian" record...unsure if he still games or even plays "Galaxian" at this point


    As for your other questions...

    1. Why are they not competing or uploading video game submissions in the TGSAP era. Were video recording is required not verified by a referee like in the past.

    1a.Can TG members answer about these players, maybe we can get them back playing again, it is worth try to bring back these great players?

    I can tell you for a fact that some (not all) of the golden era gamers simply do not want to bother with TG now...it's a completely different climate and quite honestly I can understand that as I've encountered friction multiple times within the past few years due to the current gaming community treatment and regard of the referee-era of TG.

    The "fun factor" is in some respects sucked out of TG, and today's gaming community will never get to experience the joy of a cabin get together with 15-30 gamers competing on home console performances with the presence of a TG referee. I used to routinely come back from my November trips with 200-300 new scores to add from both the arcade and the cabin and the enjoyment level was far greater than anything I've experienced in today's climate.

    Some do not subscribe to the "full transparency" of today's TG and for good reason. Those hard-fought gaming tactics of old to this day in many cases have yet to be re-discovered, and I know of QUITE a few of these from yesteryear, and a few are even gone for good (such as how to clear out an entire stage of "Quantum" at once, or how to make the missile in "Battlezone" spin around both your tank and a barrier wall indefinitely).

    Today's TG forum is often a battleground and rife with toxicity. That has tapered down severely these past few months but for a good portion of 2019 it was pretty toxic. None of yesteryear's gamers wants to subject themselves to that nonsense, and I don't blame them.

    And honestly, some were much more open to the referee-era than to the modern "TGSAP" era. People on this forum tend to cite the negatives when in comparison there were tens of thousands of positives. Thus the "classic era" of gamers largely won't be coming back, for the most part. Some are comfortable with "Aurcade" or the MARP scoreboard, while others are pretty much done with score submission period. They play, yes, but no longer compete or submit.

    Cue the anti-old-TG haters at this point. I'm sure the same old arguments will be made about the referee-era, "corruption", yada, yada, yada...it's tiresome at this point, but there is no denying that the fun factor has been severely depleted.









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    Updated 02-19-2020 at 08:50 AM by RTM (typo ("tends" to "tens"))
  16. Snowflake's Avatar

    more events would be good for sure. i really regret not going to the jace era tg events, i just thought there'd be more and i'd catch a later one.


    one thing i loved from when games were current is everyone was playing the same game, cause well it just came out. i remember when super mario bros 2 was released and we all brought our instruction booklet to school to brag and prove we had it -- by the way, we learned very quickly theres a VERY common typo in those instructions where birdo and ostros names are reversed. i wanna say about half of them were wrong. misprint was that bad, and on release week no less there were misprints and correct versiosn.

    i would point out thouhg, that events by their nature had full transparency. so that aspect of fun is back. now instead of one room seeing what others do, all of us see i. there is the diference that its not in person and its not live, but ful transparency at least approximates the real source of fun -- actually viewing the game. noone would attend a sports event after all if all we heard was the score and none of the plays.

    Other things that help in this regard is discord servers. by a discord being narrower in focus that tg it increases the odds that people are playing the same game at the same time and having things to discuss.

    Its also a benefit of games that arent figured out yet. sometimes half the fun is discovering things. granted, you could do that by just not looking up the tactics and discovering a new, and thats fun, but its hard to convince others to join you, plus theres no way to know if people are cheating and looking up tactics rather than truly discovering them with you.


    discord, wall posts, transparent video in adjudication that lets us watch and discuss things, these things all give alot of the fun tournmanets have, but at the same time yeah, no emulation is perfect and the only true way to expereince the joy of an in person tournament, is well, with an in person tournament

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  17. GibGirl's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

    more events would be good for sure. i really regret not going to the jace era tg events, i just thought there'd be more and i'd catch a later one.

    one thing i loved from when games were current is everyone was playing the same game, cause well it just came out. i remember when super mario bros 2 was released and we all brought our instruction booklet to school to brag and prove we had it -- by the way, we learned very quickly theres a VERY common typo in those instructions where birdo and ostros names are reversed. i wanna say about half of them were wrong. misprint was that bad, and on release week no less there were misprints and correct versiosn.

    I'd love if we could identify a critical mass of people that are both able to stream gameplay, and willing to help make some streaming-based events happen. We saw bits of things back when SIOTS was active - but there's no reason we need such a show to get some sort of regular streamed challenges going. Weekly head-to-head (or even 3 or 4 person) competitions on a variety of games. A specific Twitch/Mixer channel just for these, maybe even something where re-runs of older events could be shown at other times.

    It's not the same as in-person, but it's more than just the random scattering of uploads.

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  18. fredb999's Avatar

    I'm here. :-)


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