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09-08-2020 at 11:49 AM
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Asking admin satff and SincerelyFranny to add to arcade joust rule No Pterodactyl hunting

Hi! How are you doing , I hope all is well with you your family and friends. I have few questions that are game related. It deals with the arcade game Joust a addition to the rules that was forgotten to be put in for both Tournament 5 man and Marathon. Some people may not know the difference between the 3 ROM's Red /Yellow or Green. So putting in No pterotactyle hunting would help. Please ask John Mcallister,Donald Hayes or Lonnie McDonald since they are the experts on Joust.

1. The use of the Joust trick,bug, glitch killing the Pterodactyl https://seanriddle.com/ptero.html
The Pterodactyl Bug In the earlier Joust ROM versions, there was a bug that allowed you to easily kill pterodactyls as long as you could stand it. This bug was present in the red and yellow ROM versions, but was eliminated in the green version. You only get 1000 points for each pterodactyl, but with a little practice, you can rack up really high scores using this cheat.

The bug can only be exploited on waves that have the center platform, after the lava troll is present (the fire burning on the lava shows he's there). First, kill all the enemies except for one Hunter (the grey buzzard-rider). Then, fly low over the lava until he gets caught by the lava troll. If he gets free, try again. As soon as he is caught, land on the center platform. Stay close to the middle of this platform. After a while, a pterodactyl will come after you; just point towards him while standing on the platform, and he will fly directly into your lance. In a while, you will start getting three pterodactyls on the screen at once. The only difficulty is in staying on the platform; if several come at you from the same direction, they can knock you off. If so, it is probably best to kill the Hunter and try again on the next appropriate wave.


Arcade Joust rules for Marathon and 5 man

Marathon TRACK RULES

Extra Men Every: 20,000

Men For 1 Credit Game: 5

High Score To Date: Yes

Difficulty Of Play: 5

Letters For Highest Score: 3

Special Rules: This is a 1 Player Only Variation! No Continues Are Allowed! The Green Label version must be used, no exceptions!



5 man TRACK RULES

Extra Men Every: None

Men For 1 Credit Game: 5

High Score To Date: Yes

Difficulty Of Play: 5

Letters For Highest Score: 3

Special Rules: This is a 1 Player Only Variation! No Continues Are Allowed! The Green Label version must be used, no exceptions!

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  1. Pearl2hu's Avatar

    "no the joust pcb you have isnt allowed to be used anymore sorry!"

    just disallow the scoring trick if it's that much of a problem instead of whole pcb variations

  2. JJT_Defender's Avatar

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/220570

    Arcade - Joust - Points [Marathon/Single Player] - 11,956,000 - Eli Carrabino

    Pearl I know that Pterodactyl hunting is not allowed. The new Twin Galaxies member Eli Carrabino did not know that Pterodactyle hunting is not allowed. I put in the link if you want to check it out.

    But their are new Twin Galaxies members and myself that do not know the difference between the ROM's Red, Yellow and Green. adding to the existing rules would simplify that by putting in the arcade 5 man and Marathon rules that Pterodactyle hunting is not allowed.

    And if the expert players Lonnie McDonald, John McAllister and Donald Hayes can write a

    short explanation on the differnce of the 3 ROM's Red/Yellow and Green for arcade game Joust ,that would be helpful to, for both new and for all Twin Galaxies members.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pearl2hu

    "no the joust pcb you have isnt allowed to be used anymore sorry!"

    just disallow the scoring trick if it's that much of a problem instead of whole pcb variations

    Updated 09-08-2020 at 12:41 PM by JJT_Defender
  3. sdwyer138's Avatar

    The rules state that "green version must be used", and you are saying that the pterodactyl trick was fixed in the green version.

    Therefore, no update to the rules is needed.


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  4. Ninglendo's Avatar

    Don't waste your time guys. He is admin's problem now.

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  5. Snowflake's Avatar

    Good call I’ll delete my earlier comment

    best of luck to you jjt

  6. JJT_Defender's Avatar

    1. How do you tell the difference between the 3 ROMs Red,Yellow and Grean?

    2. By having a explanation by the expert Twin Galaxies member players John Mcallister, Donald Hayes and Lonnie McDonald for the arcade game Joust it make make things easier especially those player that own them.

    I honestly do not know the difference between 3 ROM's Red, Yellow and Green for arcade Joust ,unless they are colored or I play it.

    I know using the trick/bug,glitch , back in th 80's at Grand Prix Race 'O' Rama in Fort Lauderdale I got 100 million points, and it is really easy to learn,anybody can do it.

    New Twin Galaxies member Eli Carrabinno did not know and he own the arcade game Joust, by putting the rules No pterodactyle hunting is allowed and short explanation the the 3 expert twin Galaxies member players John McAllister ,Lonnie McDonald, and Donald Hayes would help a lot.

    here is the link Eli Carrabino Arcade marathon submission->>https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/220570

    Arcade - Joust - Points [Marathon/Single Player] - 11,956,000 - Eli Carrabino

    The new Twin Galaxies member Eli Carrabino did not know that Pterodactyle hunting is not allowed.

    Quote Originally Posted by sdwyer138

    The rules state that "green version must be used", and you are saying that the pterodactyl trick was fixed in the green version.

    Therefore, no update to the rules is needed.


    Updated 09-08-2020 at 03:40 PM by JJT_Defender
  7. JJT_Defender's Avatar

    I been reasearching and I found this.

    https://forums.arcade-museum.com/threads/need-info-various-joust-rom-eprom-versions.322096/

    steph
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    Sep 1, 2014
    #1
    I've recently been asked to help identify a "mysterious" verison of Joust Roms,
    ... which led to a somewhat conflicting and frustrating on-line search...

    According to the info I have found, there "could" be up to 5 different Joust rom sets,

    Yellow
    Red
    White with Red Stripe (ie. White/Red)
    Green
    White with Green Stripe (ie. White/Green)


    ... plus a potentially "different" rom set sent to me by a collector.

    and I've found many conflicting statements.

    ---

    Williams manuals only mention Yellow, Red and Green,
    and say Yellow and Red are interchangeable (ie. the same ),
    and that Green is the latest version with the 'pterodactyl cheat' fix.

    Yet, on Sean Riddle's web site, it says Yellow and Red have different default scores.

    http://seanriddle.com/willrom.html


    I also read that the default score was a way to identify the version

    High score 107212 = V1.07 ?212?
    High score 109102= V1.09 ?102?

    http://www.robotron2084guidebook.com/home/games/joust/1billionpoints/extras/

    But that contradicts the fact only the green roms fix the 'pterodactyl cheat',
    yet both the Green and Yellow eproms have the same default score...



    I also found the following table which matches the color to a part number.

    <----------------------------Information from sticker---------------->
    ------------+ White/Red | Solid Green | Solid Red | White/Green |
    ROM | Board | "A" 2532 | "B" 2732 | "A" 2532 | "B" 2732 |
    ## | Loc. | joust.wr# | joust.sg# | joust.sr# | joust.wg# |
    ----+-------+--------------+-------------+-------------+-------------+
    01 | F4 | 16-30060-01 | 16-3006-13 | 16-3006-28 | 3006-52 |
    02 | C4 | 16-30060-02 | 16-3006-14 | 16-3006-29 | 3006-53 |
    03 | A4 | 16-30060-03 | 16-3006-15 | 16-3006-30 | 3006-54 |
    04 | F5 | 16-30060-04 | 16-3006-16 | 16-3006-31 | 3006-55 |
    05 | C5 | 16-30060-05 | 16-3006-17 | 16-3006-32 | 3006-56 |
    06 | A5 | 16-30060-06 | 16-3006-18 | 16-3006-33 | 3006-57 |
    07 | F6 | 16-30060-07 | 16-3006-19 | 16-3006-34 | 3006-58 |
    08 | C6 | 16-30060-08 | 16-3006-20 | 16-3006-35 | 3006-59 |
    09 | A6 | 16-30060-09 | 16-3006-21 | 16-3006-36 | 3006-60 |
    10 | A7 | 16-30060-10 | 16-3006-22 | 16-3006-37 | 3006-61 |
    11 | C7 | 16-30060-11 | 16-3006-23 | 16-3006-38 | 3006-62 |
    12 | F7 | 16-30060-12 | 16-3006-24 | 16-3006-39 | 3006-63 |
    ----+-------+--------------+-------------+-------------+-------------+

    This table does not mention anything about Yellow eproms,
    yet my collector contact says he's got the yellow roms with numbers 16-3006-1 to -12
    (which are the same as the White/Red set )

    Also, the table seems to indicate that the red roms (and White/red) used 2532 eproms,
    although I think that was just a coincidence because 2532 eproms are usually
    identified as "A", and 2732 are identified as "B".
    (...I'm sure there must be some red "B" 2732 eproms somewhere )

    Lastly, there is a break in the numbering sequence (3006-40 to 51).
    Would this be for yet a different set of roms ?

    I have only ever seen/worked with Green and white/green eproms,
    and although they have different label numbers, I can attest that they are the same.

    ----

    Looking at MAME, only 3 sets are listed :

    Green (aka White/Green, latest version)
    White/Red (only differs from Green on rom 7 and 10 )
    Red (Solid) (Very different from the other 2 sets)

    No mention of any Yellow set ...


    ---

    So where am I going with this ... ?

    I'm looking for help to clarify the various versions out there.
    (...and to document and archive this info for myself and other collectors )

    So anyone with a Joust machine which has either Red , White/Red or Yellow rom sets,
    please let me know.

    I'm basically looking for some pics of the rom board, (where labels and jumpers are visible),
    what type of eproms are used (2732 or 2532), and ultimately a rom dump
    of any of these sets.

    Let me know.

    Thanks,
    Steph
    www.Hobbyroms.com
    Last edited: Sep 1, 2014

    Updated 09-08-2020 at 03:55 PM by JJT_Defender
  8. SincerelyFranny's Avatar

    This rule change does not seem necessary and the rules will remain as they are. Thank you.

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