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02-07-2021 at 08:05 AM
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Jace Hall solution EXEMPT TG members from Joe Jackmovich 6 yr old mess credibility loss.

@Jace Hall solution EXEMPT all Twin Galaxies members from Credibility point loss from 2015 past Joe Jackmovich mayhem mess of 256 video game recordings from 3rd party site was put in Private or deleted. Twin Galaxies members voted yes accepted 256 times & put into Twin Galaxies Scoreboard Database archives. I suspect Joe Jackmovich was banned for life from Twin Galaxies website.

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  1. timmell's Avatar

    First take care of the INTV flashback subs that hurt my cred. When I was right pointing out that was using a Raspberry pie

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  2. Almighty Dreadlock's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by timmell
    First take care of the INTV flashback subs that hurt my cred. When I was right pointing out that was using a Raspberry pie
    .
    I don't get why you care about "cred", all of a sudden. Your CR could be double what it is now, but you've taken heavy penalties, voting on principle. That's my guess, anyway.
  3. timmell's Avatar

    Cause I'm close to the 4,000. So I can actually start a dispute. When it is proven I voted correctly. Instead of waiting for others to start the dispute. I won't give a lick of care of cred once above 4,000.

  4. Almighty Dreadlock's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by timmell
    Cause I'm close to the 4,000. So I can actually start a dispute. When it is proven I voted correctly. Instead of waiting for others to start the dispute. I won't give a lick of care of cred once above 4,000.
    .
    Admin's handling of the Intellivision disputes is currently showing you that raising disputes doesn't necessarily get you the result you want. So, there is absolutely no point in getting your CR over 4,000.
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  5. JJT_Defender's Avatar

    Stella_blue Scott


    I have completed my review of all scores submitted by Joseph "My YouTube videos need their privacy" Jackmovich (accepted, rejected, and disputed). The manual data collection and analysis were both extremely time-consuming. I believe I have discovered several system issues. For now, I will report the most problematic one.

    Issue #1: Incomplete Processing of Accepted Score Disputes

    After a score dispute is accepted, it appears that an important processing step has been overlooked. The issue arises when a player has multiple submissions under the same platform, game, and track. Once a disputed item has been removed from the scoreboard, the relevant TG script should examine the accepted archive, looking for other submissions by the player on that same track. If it finds any, the highest score (or fastest time, or whatever) should be added back to the scoreboard, replacing the removed item. In the case of Joe Jackmovich, this has clearly NOT been happening.

    There have been 127 accepted disputes of Joe's scores. Of that number, there are 17 tracks where Joe still has one or more accepted submissions. Currently, none of those scores appear on their respective scoreboards. The following table summarizes those 17 tracks:

    Scoreboard
    Track ID
    Accepted
    Submissions
    Rejected
    Submissions
    Scoreboard
    Entries
    128046
    310
    132230
    310
    172445
    310
    131897
    230
    132234
    210
    190056
    110
    197985
    110
    15063
    110
    131900
    110
    131898
    110
    132237
    110
    132236
    110
    196573
    110
    196334
    110
    196333
    110
    21224
    110
    130855
    110


    I have provided a couple of examples (although you can click any Track ID in the first column to view the details):


    Example #1

    Track ID = 128046

    Super Nintendo Entertainment System | Alien vs. Predator | NTSC - Points



    Next, clicking the "View All Submissions" button displays all TGSAP submissions: Current, Accepted, and Rejected



    The word "ACCEPTED" is misspelled, a global error that appears on all TG tracks.

    Joe Jackmovich does not appear on the scoreboard, despite having 3 other submissions in the accepted archive (see below):

    Submission
    Topic ID
    Submission
    Date
    Submitted
    Score
    Video
    Available?
    Disputed?Submission
    Status
    157429
    05-31-2016220,600Yes
    (TG Upload)
    NoAccepted
    158436
    06-21-2016347,700Yes
    (TG Upload)
    NoAccepted
    165794
    12-30-2016641,900Yes
    (TG Upload)
    NoAccepted
    166695
    02-05-2017825,500No
    (Private
    YT Video)
    YesRejected


    The accepted submissions all appear to be valid, with video evidence uploaded directly to Twin Galaxies. In this case, the 641,900 score should appear on the scoreboard, replacing the disputed/removed 825,500 entry.


    Example #2

    Track ID = 132230

    iOS | Piano Tiles: Don't Tap the White Tile | Classic - Fastest Completion - 25 tiles




    Once again, Joe Jackmovich is completely absent from the scoreboard, despite 3 other submissions currently sitting in the accepted archive (see below):

    Submission
    Topic ID
    Submission
    Date
    Submitted
    Score
    Video
    Available?
    Disputed?Submission
    Status
    143144
    05-10-201503.416 secNo
    (Private
    YT Video)
    NoAccepted
    143465
    05-20-201503.283 secNo
    (Private
    YT Video)
    NoAccepted
    143481
    05-21-201503.166 secNo
    (Private
    YT Video)
    NoAccepted
    143571
    05-26-201503.016 secNo
    (Private
    YT Video)
    YesRejected


    Unlike the first example, all 4 submissions are plagued by missing evidence and should ultimately wind up in the rejected archive. In this case, the 03.166 score should be added back to the scoreboard, replacing the disputed/removed 03.016 entry. Once done, that submission would also become susceptible to a dispute (followed by the 03.283 score, and finally the 03.416 score). Rinse and repeat. As you can see, this produces a rather unpleasant domino effect, as a number of adjudicators (myself included) may suffer additional CR penalties.

    More to come.


    @Admin Staff

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  6. JJT_Defender's Avatar

    TG member Stella_blue Scott

    Issue #2: Discrepancy Between Submission Archives & User Profile

    An advanced search of the submission archives reveals that Joe Jackmovich has 256 accepted submissions and 152 rejected submissions. Those numbers match the totals displayed on the activity tab of his profile page (see below):

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/ssdninja/activity

    However, if we drill down by clicking the highlighted links in the image above, the retrieved results do NOT agree:

    CategorySubmission
    Archives
    User
    Profile
    Variance
    Accepted25622036
    Rejected15213319


    The submissions missing from the profile page are as follows:

    Accepted Submissions

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146215

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146216

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146538

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146540

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146542

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146553

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146554

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146586

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146592

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146615

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146616

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146631

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146632

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146639

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146660

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146668

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146671

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146673

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146692

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146696

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146709

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146784

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/148281

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/148286

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/148288

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/157486

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/166658

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/166667

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/166783

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/166850

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/166883

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/166920

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/166921

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/166926

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/166971

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/167005

    Rejected Submissions

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/140652

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/143362

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/143421

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/145835

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/145861

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/145871

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/145903

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/148625

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/148626

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/148627

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/148628

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/148632

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/148687

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/148688

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/148689

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/148690

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/148691

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/148692

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/148694

    More to come.

    @Admin Staff

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  7. timmell's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Almighty Dreadlock


    .
    Admin's handling of the Intellivision disputes is currently showing you that raising disputes doesn't necessarily get you the result you want. So, there is absolutely no point in getting your CR over 4,000.


    True, the system is broken.

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  8. JJT_Defender's Avatar

    I simply want this over with all together.

    The Twin Galaxies Scoreboard Database archives are a complete mess from the Twin Galaxies REFEREE era 1,000's of video game records are disputable,questionable or outright impossible to say the least.

    One of biggest issues that many Twin Galaxies members have are judging of some of the bad TG referee's before TGSAP were video recording is now required to get into Twin Galaxies Scoreboard Database archives now.

    This problem needs immediate attention now not later, by doing so, you clean 🏠 house of these bad records and make Twin Galaxies more attractive, trusting and fun to join. Without the issues like Todd Rogers,Billy Mitchell Ron Cocoran etc.

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  9. JJT_Defender's Avatar

    originally voted yes accepted by TG members

  10. Garrett Holland's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by JJT
    Joe Jackmovich was banned for life ...

    This is news to me. I dont remember ever seeing his account having a "banned" status, and I haven't seen anyone accuse him of a bannable offense.

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  11. Blackflag82's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Garrett Holland

    This is news to me.

    I mean, this applies to 90% of JJT's posts for everyone on the site :P

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  12. sdwyer138's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Garrett Holland


    This is news to me. I dont remember ever seeing his account having a "banned" status, and I haven't seen anyone accuse him of a bannable offense.

    cause he's not?

  13. Jace Hall's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by timmell

    First take care of the INTV flashback subs that hurt my cred. When I was right pointing out that was using a Raspberry pie

    This is being worked on. It is not a simple issue.

    Instead of flatly rejecting all those Flashback scores and allowing this same issue to recur over and over we are working on moving those score performances to appropriate EMU tracks for that platform that currently do not exist. So those EMU tracks all must be created in bulk via the database back-end.

    Then once created, we can move all those submissions there and future submissions will also have a place to reside and not recreate the same problem all over again.

    Then once moved, we will manually address all the cred issues associated with this.

    Thank you for your patience.

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    Updated 02-07-2021 at 10:31 AM by Jace Hall
  14. JJT_Defender's Avatar

    Correction suspect Joe Jackmovich 2015 was banned for life by TG then why leave maybe because problems with TG staff and certain TG members.

    Why out of the blue he decides to leave,then later decides to put from 2015 6 years ago 256 of his world records game recording from 3rd party site either put in Private or delete knowing full well that he will be losing all 256 his records. Is it because he was angry for how TG staff and members treated him.

    Back in 2015 Twin Galaxies members voted Yes Accepted on 256 of Joe Jackmovich video game submissions and put in Twin Galaxies Scoreboard Database archives, 6 years later we have this mess.

    1. Has anyone contacted Joe Jackmovich to ask him why he suddenly left Twin Galaxies?


    Quote Originally Posted by Garrett Holland

    This is news to me. I dont remember ever seeing his account having a "banned" status, and I haven't seen anyone accuse him of a bannable offense.

    Updated 02-07-2021 at 11:00 AM by JJT_Defender
  15. Snowflake's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by JJT_Defender

    Correction suspect Joe Jackmovich 2015 was banned for life by TG then why leave maybe because problems with TG staff and certain TG members.

    Why out blue he decides to leave then later decides to put 2015 6 years ago 256 of his world records game recording from 3rd party site either put in Private or delete knowing full well that he will be losing all his records. Because of he was angry for how TG staff and members treated him.

    Back in 2015 Twin Galaxies members voted Yes Accepted on 256 of Joe Jackmovich video game submissions and put in Twin Galaxies Scoreboard Database archives, 6 years later we have this mess.

    1. Has anyone contacted Joe Jackmovich to ask him why he suddenly left Twin Galaxies?




    i didnt see the original post where you said joe was banned but i've seen the responses as well as you repeating it here. all i have to say is "wrong again


    edit: ok i do see now it was in original post not sure if you edited that or i just plain missed it first reading. regardless the fact remainds he's not banned for life (or banned at all).
    There might some grey area in discussing if hes in "good standing" since alot of tg members have expressed their frustration he made his videos private, but he was certainly in good standing and respected before he left and hes broken no rules.
    you seem to like guessing alot. thats fine, guessing is fun. but some of your guesses are pretty easily checked for yourself

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    Updated 02-07-2021 at 10:50 AM by Snowflake
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    This issue has been resolved . Please check and confirm


    Quote Originally Posted by JJT_Defender

    TG member Stella_blue Scott

    Issue #2: Discrepancy Between Submission Archives & User Profile

    An advanced search of the submission archives reveals that Joe Jackmovich has 256 accepted submissions and 152 rejected submissions. Those numbers match the totals displayed on the activity tab of his profile page (see below):

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/ssdninja/activity

    However, if we drill down by clicking the highlighted links in the image above, the retrieved results do NOT agree:

    CategorySubmission
    Archives
    User
    Profile
    Variance
    Accepted25622036
    Rejected15213319


    The submissions missing from the profile page are as follows:

    Accepted Submissions

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146215

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146216

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146538

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146540

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146542

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146553

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146554

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146586

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146592

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146615

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146616

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146631

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146632

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146639

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146660

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146668

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146671

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146673

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146692

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146696

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146709

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/146784

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/148281

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/148286

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/148288

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/157486

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/166658

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/166667

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/166783

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/166850

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/166883

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/166920

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/166921

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/166926

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/166971

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/167005

    Rejected Submissions

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/140652

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/143362

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/143421

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/145835

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/145861

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/145871

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/145903

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/148625

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/148626

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/148627

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/148628

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/148632

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/148687

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/148688

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/148689

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/148690

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/148691

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/148692

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/148694

    More to come.

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    While working on the Joe Jackmovich master file of ALL submissions and disputes, I came across a couple of interesting (in hindsight) comments under the following submission topic:

    Super Nintendo Entertainment System - Space Megaforce - NTSC - Standard Game [Points] - 6,225,560 - Joe Jackmovich

    Joe was asked why some of his videos are uploaded directly to TG, while others are only uploaded to YouTube. His responses appear below:



  18. stella_blue's Avatar


    I have completed the Joe Jackmovich master file. The Excel workbook has been zipped and uploaded to my Google Drive. I will provide the link here shortly. But first, I want to share some information I gathered from my research and analysis.

    Joe Jackmovich still has 32 accepted submissions with missing video evidence. Of that number, 14 submissions are vulnerable to score disputes because they meet the following criteria:

    • The submissions reside in the Accepted archive
    • The video evidence is currently unavailable (YouTube videos marked as "private")
    • The submitted scores appear on their respective scoreboards


    These 14 submissions are summarized in the following tables:


    Current
    Status
    Appears On
    Scoreboard
    Video
    Available
    Video
    Source
    AcceptedYesNoYouTube


    #Submission
    Date
    Submission
    URL
    Score Track
    URL
    My
    Vote
    CR Penalty For
    Wrong Vote
    103-30-2015141834131898Yes5 Points
    204-01-2015141900131900Yes5 Points
    305-10-2015143143132237Yes100 Points
    405-10-2015143149132236Yes100 Points
    505-11-2015143174132234Yes100 Points
    605-16-2015143336130855Yes100 Points
    705-21-2015143481132230Yes100 Points
    805-21-2015143486131897Yes100 Points
    906-18-2015144084172445Yes100 Points
    1006-30-2015144429190056Yes100 Points
    1108-10-2015145828196334--100 Points
    1210-18-2015148629197985--100 Points
    1301-27-2017166490207190Yes5% of CR
    1401-27-2017166491207191Yes5% of CR


    Please understand that I am not trying to sabotage anyone's credibility rating. As you can see, I voted "Yes" on 12 of the 14 original submissions. Once the anticipated disputes have been accepted, I shall suffer along with everyone else. I just want to rip off the band-aid and be done with it.

    The remaining 18 submissions are presently immune from the dispute process. They meet two of the conditions listed above, but fail the scoreboard test:

    • The submissions reside in the Accepted archive
    • The video evidence is currently unavailable (YouTube Videos marked as "Private")
    • The submitted scores do NOT appear on their respective scoreboards


    The scores do not appear because they were superseded by scores from later submissions and replaced on the various leader boards. Consequently, those earlier submissions cannot be disputed.


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    The link to the Joe Jackmovich master file:

    Joe Jackmovich Submissions (as of 2021-02-14)

    The file contains a pair of worksheets:

    • Submissions
    • Disputes


    Most of the column headings are self-explanatory. If you see something you don't understand, feel free to ask. I included a blank "My Vote" column in the "Submissions" tab, for those who wish to calculate the impact of Joe's submissions (one, several, or all) on their overall CR rating. You can also sort the individual rows in a variety of ways, depending on what information you hope to extract.


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