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02-16-2021 at 09:47 AM
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My credibility points was penalized 2 times here is the proof. And few others

@Jace Hall @admin staff @SincerelyFranny fix this it is happened 4 times


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  1. Ninglendo's Avatar

    And?


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  2. stella_blue's Avatar

    Hey Juan,

    It is highly unlikely that you were penalized twice for the same disputed submission.

    This is what you need to do:

    Ask @admin staff to rerun your Credibility Audit Trail.

    Once you have been notified that your stats have been rerun, navigate to that page:

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/profile.php?do=scorestatistics

    The list is displayed as a series of pages (50 items per page), so your complete stats will comprise roughly 550 to 560 pages.

    The list is sorted by effective CR date (the column at the far right), from earliest to latest. The submission you're looking for will be buried somewhere in the middle. It was originally submitted on 01-27-2017, so the effective CR date will probably be between 01-31-2017 and 02-03-2017. Use the navigation links at the bottom of the page to locate that range of dates (see below):

    Once you have found the disputed submission, confirm that it appears only once. Next, compare the values in the Old CR and Final CR columns:

    Final CR - Old CR = CR Loss (a negative number)

    CR Loss / Old CR should be very close to 5% (or -0.05)

    Perform these calculations to convince yourself that you were not unfairly penalized more than once.


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    Updated 02-17-2021 at 06:59 AM by stella_blue
  3. JJT_Defender's Avatar

    This particular submissions is in among my 76 wrongly voted submissions, long before it was Disputed and finalized many months later, just a week ago.

    Please explain , this not first time this has happened ,their are others.

    I made copies last year of 36 Joe Jackmovich that are currently in my 76 wrongly voted submissions. Last year. Now there have 5 recently Disputed submissions all in my past wrongly voted submissions and I penalized 5% each time. Double jeopardy not cool

    Quote Originally Posted by stella_blue

    Hey Juan,

    It is highly unlikely that you were penalized twice for the same disputed submission.

    This is what you need to do:

    Ask @admin staff to rerun your Credibility Audit Trail.

    Once you have been notified that your stats have been rerun, navigate to that page:

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/profile.php?do=scorestatistics

    The list is displayed as a series of pages (50 items per page), so your complete stats will comprise roughly 550 to 560 pages.

    The list is sorted by effective CR date (the column at the far right), from earliest to latest. The submission you're looking for will be buried somewhere in the middle. It was originally submitted on 01-27-2017, so the effective CR date will probably be between 01-31-2017 and 02-03-2017. Use the navigation links at the bottom of the page to locate that range of dates (see below):

    Once you have found the disputed submission, confirm that it appears only once. Next, compare the values in the Old CR and Final CR columns:

    Final CR - Old CR = CR Loss (a negative number)

    CR Loss / Old CR should be very close to 5% (or -0.05)

    Perform these calculations to convince yourself that you were not unfairly penalized more than once.


    Updated 02-17-2021 at 06:54 PM by JJT_Defender
  4. JJT_Defender's Avatar

    None of Twin Galaxies staff Jace Hall Mrs Franny, Twin Galaxies Admin Staff or contact us has answered any of my questions or private message ZERO nothing 0.

  5. stella_blue's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by JJT_Defender

    This particular submissions is in among my 76 wrongly voted submissions, long before it was Disputed and finalized many months later, just a week ago.

    Please explain , this not first time this has happened ,their are others.

    I made copies last year of 36 Joe Jackmovich that are currently in my 76 wrongly voted submissions. Last year. Now there have 5 recently Disputed submissions all in my past wrongly voted submissions and I penalized 5% each time. Double jeopardy not cool


    Hey Juan,

    I have a solution, but it requires the cooperation of TG and your permission.

    I would like to ask admin to rerun your Credibility Audit Trail, upload the results somewhere as a delimited text file, and share the link with me via private message. I could easily analyze the results in a few hours and get to the bottom of this, reconciling your current CR with the submission details. The total number of votes (roughly 28,000) may seem like a large number, but it's a relatively small database.

    Do you have any issues with that?

    @Jace Hall

    @Admin Staff

    If Juan gives his blessing, does this seem like a feasible solution? I'm trying to help him figure out why his credibility rating is correct (or not), so that we might finally resolve this matter.


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  7. stella_blue's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by JJT_Defender


    Those are the most recent submissions for which you have been penalized, but they are NOT necessarily the most recent penalties. Regarding the Credibility Audit Trail, you seem to be under the impression that the latest penalties will always appear at the top of the list. That is simply not true.

    The list is sorted by Effective CR Date. That date is usually 4-7 days after the original submission date. Take the Joe Jackmovich example from your first post:

    Xbox 360 - Beautiful Katamari - Oasis Café - Time - 01:42.626 - Joe Jackmovich

    Joe's score was originally submitted on 01-27-2017. It was accepted on 02-04-2017. The score was disputed on 02-15-2021. Less than an hour later, the dispute was accepted. The score was removed from the scoreboard and the submission was moved to the Rejected archive. The CR recalculation service was run overnight and you were penalized for voting "Yes" on the original submission.

    Please go back and carefully reread my first suggestion in this thread. The CR Audit Trail does not update automatically; it runs only on request. Once your stats have been rerun, you won't find that Katamari submission at the top of the "Wrong Votes" list, even though it is your most recent penalty. It will be buried many pages back, grouped with other submissions between 01-31-2017 and 02-03-2017.

    Trust me on this. I know what I'm talking about.


    Updated 02-19-2021 at 11:17 AM by stella_blue
  8. JJT_Defender's Avatar

    They all dated and in order I copied everything and have all the Joe Jackmovich submissions from last year. I voted yes on the 36 Joe Jackmovich video game submissions from last year that I copied them to keep track of potential repeats.

    I rarely if ever vote no.

    2 times I was took a Credibility hit same exact submission.

    On Joe Jackmovich 36 submissions, years ago I voted yes and the Twin Galaxies members voted NO REJECTED that is when I was penalized all 36 times on my Credibility points no more repeats credibility penalization..

    I double checked everything to be sure


    Updated 02-19-2021 at 01:51 PM by JJT_Defender
  9. stella_blue's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by JJT_Defender

    They all dated and in order I copied everything and have all the Joe Jackmovich submissions from last year. I voted yes on the 36 Joe Jackmovich video game submissions from last year.

    2 times I was took a Credibility hit same exact submission


    Hey Juan,

    You keep repeating the same thing over and over. This "discussion" (if anyone would call it that) keeps going in circles, and we are getting nowhere.

    You claim to have proof that you were penalized twice on a number of submissions.

    Show us your proof. So far, you have provided a pair of screen captures at the beginning of this thread, documenting a couple of relevant items:

    • Simon's dispute of the "Beautiful Katamari" score by Joe Jackmovich was accepted
    • You voted "Yes" on the original submission


    That's it.

    In the past 6 years, I have raised a number of issues related to CR reconciliation. In each case, TG acknowledged the problem and took action to correct it. The issues were resolved because I did my homework, providing clear and compelling documentation that I was right.

    You have not presented a convincing argument. Instead, you tell us 50 times that you were unfairly penalized, as if the repetition somehow makes it a fact. It does not.

    I suggested that you request an updated CR audit trail. I provided instructions on how to locate the problematic submission. I also offered to perform a complete analysis on your behalf. You have neither acknowledged my suggestion nor accepted my offer.

    I am willing to help you, but it appears that I am wasting my time.


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  10. Snowflake's Avatar

    Mind reading can be difficult especially when the other person refuses to help but I think I’ve deciphers Juan’s claim

    jjt you said tg members rejected and you voted yes, I believe this claim of yours helps explain the confusion. You seem to see the disputed sub being rejected now as proof it was rejected by tg members then. So if you thought tg members rejected it then of course you thought you took a hit then. Likewise since you did take a hit after the dispute you also see that hit and conclude two hits happen

  11. stella_blue's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

    Mind reading can be difficult especially when the other person refuses to help but I think I’ve deciphers Juan’s claim

    jjt you said tg members rejected and you voted yes, I believe this claim of yours helps explain the confusion. You seem to see the disputed sub being rejected now as proof it was rejected by tg members then. So if you thought tg members rejected it then of course you thought you took a hit then. Likewise since you did take a hit after the dispute you also see that hit and conclude two hits happen


    If you interpret Juan's reasoning correctly, then he can easily check that submission.

    Below is an excerpt from my CR audit trail. It was rerun at my request BEFORE the Joe Jackmovich "Beautiful Katamari" dispute was accepted. As a result, the audit is outdated and indicates that I earned 3 CR points for voting "correctly" (CR increased from 25179 to 25182). The next time my stats are rerun, that same entry will show up as a wrong vote with a penalty.


    Notice the effective CR date of 01-30-2017. In Juan's case, that date may or may not be the same (TG has never disclosed that information), but it should be very close.

    Juan should navigate to his own CR audit trail (link below) and use the navigation tools at the bottom of the page to locate that submission. It should only take 2 or 3 minutes to find.

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/profile.php?do=scorestatistics

    Unless his stats have been rerun within the past 3 days, the line item should display a correct vote and a 3 point CR gain, confirming that he was only penalized once (after the dispute went through).


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    Here are all 76 wrongly voted submissions and all 76 was penalized my Credibility points , so there is no need to penalize my Credibility points a 2nd time.

    Agreed all 76 wrongly voted submissions are done/ finished.

    No need to mess with any of my past 76 submissions with them at all.

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    10-16-2020, 03:10 AM
    Rickster8 submitted a score Intellivision Flashback - Frog Bog - Points - 575 - Richard Weidmann in -Not Accepted
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    FuriousWolf666 submitted a score M.A.M.E. - The Punisher [World 930422] - Points [Single Player Only] - 9,999,900 - Adrian Rodriguez in -Not Accepted
    3 replies | 482 view(s)

    73. 4. Barthax's Avatar
    04-21-2020, 04:02 PM
    Barthax submitted a score Xbox ONE - Forza Horizon 3 - Festival Route - Byron Bay - Goliath Circuit - Class S2 [Lap Time, No Rewind] - 10:32.166 - Andrew Mee in -Not Accepted
    3 replies | 113 view(s)

    72. 5. Garrett Holland's Avatar
    04-20-2020, 10:06 PM
    Garrett Holland submitted a score ColecoVision / Adam - Zaxxon - NTSC/PAL - Skill 1 - 2,544,440 - Garrett Holland in -Not Accepted
    6 replies | 173 view(s)

    71. 6. Barthax's Avatar
    04-12-2020, 10:01 PM
    Barthax submitted a score Android - Trial Xtreme 2 - Level 16 [Time] - 24.3 - Andrew Mee in -Not Accepted
    1 replies | 195 view(s)

    70. 7. ILLSeaBass's Avatar
    12-03-2018, 05:38 AM
    ILLSeaBass submitted a score Atari 400 / 800 / XL / XE - Crystal Castles - Points - 182,387 - Matt Sales in -Not Accepted
    2 replies | 301 view(s)

    69. 8. ILLSeaBass's Avatar
    12-02-2018, 04:02 AM
    ILLSeaBass submitted a score Atari 400 / 800 / XL / XE - Jungle Hunt - Regular - 21,380 - Matt Sales in -Not Accepted
    3 replies | 411 view(s)

    68. 9. mitchuk's Avatar
    06-03-2018, 11:22 AM
    mitchuk submitted a score M.A.M.E. - Check Man - Points - 276,650 - Michael Smith in -Accepted
    15 replies | 755 view(s)

    67. 10. oORaydenOo's Avatar
    05-21-2018, 09:53 AM
    oORaydenOo submitted a score Atari 2600 / VCS - Barnstorming - Hedge Hopper (Expert/A) EMU - 33.62 - Marcel Schewe in -Not Accepted
    5 replies | 584 view(s)

    66. 11. nads's Avatar
    05-19-2018, 02:29 PM
    nads submitted a score Atari 2600 / VCS - Decathlon - NTSC - Discus Throw - 67.61 - Peter Nadalin in -Not Accepted
    11 replies | 848 view(s)

    65. 12. trivia212005's Avatar
    05-04-2018, 11:30 AM
    trivia212005 submitted a score Nintendo Wii - Guitar Hero Metallica (Nintendo Wii) - Corrosion of Confirmity - "Albatross" - Bass - 1 Player [Points] - 164,134 - Jared Oswald in -Accepted
    7 replies | 758 view(s)

    64. 13. IodineSky's Avatar
    04-01-2018, 07:38 AM
    IodineSky submitted a score NES / FAMICOM / DISK - Contra - NTSC - Points - 6,553,500 - Michael Crandall in -Not Accepted
    6 replies | 568 view(s)

    63. 14. Gsampson35's Avatar
    11-18-2017, 05:06 AM
    Gsampson35 submitted a score Atari 2600 / VCS - Real Sports Football - NTSC - Game 1, Difficulty B - 99 - glen sampson in -Not Accepted
    5 replies | 753 view(s)

    62. 15. Gsampson35's Avatar

    10-15-2017, 11:40 PM
    Gsampson35 submitted a score Atari 2600 / VCS - Condor Attack - NTSC - Game 1, Difficulty B - 304,704 - glen sampson in -Not Accepted
    2 replies | 535 view(s)

    61. 16. CONSOLEPLAYEROFTHECENTURY's Avatar
    10-10-2017, 10:22 PM
    CONSOLEPLAYEROFTHECENTURY submitted a score Colecovision Flashback - Module Man - Points - 20,450 - Rudy Ferretti in -Not Accepted
    9 replies | 710 view(s)

    60. 17. Barthax's Avatar
    09-25-2017, 11:38 PM
    Barthax submitted a score Android - Hill Climb Racing - Onewheeler - Night [Distance] - 2,877 - Andrew Mee in -Not Accepted
    1 replies | 551 view(s)

    59. 18. Barthax's Avatar
    09-19-2017, 10:54 PM
    Barthax submitted a score Xbox 360 - Forza Horizon - Festival Race - Horizon presents Ferrari Massimo - Lap [Time] - 03:04.117 - Andrew Mee in -Not Accepted
    4 replies | 402 view(s)

    58. 19. Barthax's Avatar
    09-12-2017, 06:53 PM
    Barthax submitted a score Nintendo DS - 101-in-1 Explosive Megamix - Sniper / Sharpshooter [Points] - 12,200 - Andrew Mee in -Not Accepted
    1 replies | 531 view(s)

    57. 20. ssdninja's Avatar
    01-28-2017, 02:30 AM
    ssdninja submitted a score Xbox 360 - Beautiful Katamari - Seadome - Time - 57.843 - Joe Jackmovich in -Not Accepted
    2 replies | 558 view(s)

    56. 21. ssdninja's Avatar
    01-28-2017, 02:27 AM
    ssdninja submitted a score Xbox 360 - Beautiful Katamari - Oasis Café - Time - 01:42.626 - Joe Jackmovich in -Not Accepted
    2 replies | 582 view(s)

    55. 22. ssdninja's Avatar
    01-28-2017, 02:09 AM
    ssdninja submitted a score Xbox 360 - Beautiful Katamari - Delightful Dirigible - Time - 36.697 - Joe Jackmovich in -Not Accepted
    4 replies | 604 view(s)

    54. 23. ssdninja's Avatar
    01-28-2017, 02:02 AM
    ssdninja submitted a score Xbox 360 - Beautiful Katamari - Coolhouse - Time - 57.43 - Joe Jackmovich in -Not Accepted
    1 replies | 444 view(s)

    53. 24. trivia212005's Avatar
    12-31-2016, 11:48 AM
    trivia212005 submitted a score Nintendo Wii - Green Day Rock Band - Single Player - "Longview" - Guitar - 53,928 - Jared Oswald in -Not Accepted
    5 replies | 594 view(s)

    52. 25. ssdninja's Avatar
    11-12-2016, 10:35 AM
    ssdninja submitted a score PlayStation 3 PSN - Geometry Wars 3: Dimensions Evolved - Single Player: Adventure - Level 1 - 1,517,855 - Joe Jackmovich in -Not Accepted
    5 replies | 505 view(s)

    51. 26. ssdninja's Avatar
    11-12-2016, 06:58 AM
    ssdninja submitted a score PlayStation 3 PSN - Geometry Wars 3: Dimensions Evolved - Single Player: Adventure - Level 2 - 5,811,095 - Joe Jackmovich in -Not Accepted
    4 replies | 423 view(s)

    50. 27. starsoldier1's Avatar
    10-06-2016, 05:42 PM
    starsoldier1 submitted a score Super Nintendo Entertainment System - Super Mario All-Stars - NTSC - Super Mario Bros. [Points] - 665,950 - Ryan Genno in -Not Accepted
    4 replies | 1111 view(s)

    49. 28. Barthax's Avatar
    10-04-2016, 08:10 PM
    Barthax submitted a score Android - Angry Birds Seasons - South Hamerica - 1-12 - 119,720 - Andrew Mee in -Not Accepted
    5 replies | 848 view(s)

    48. 29. Barthax's Avatar
    10-04-2016, 12:58 PM
    Barthax submitted a score Android - Angry Birds Seasons - Arctic Eggspedition - 1-3 - 64,010 - Andrew Mee in -Not Accepted
    2 replies | 617 view(s)

    47. 30. crazymoose3k's Avatar
    09-30-2016, 09:51 PM
    crazymoose3k submitted a score Nintendo Wii Virtual Console - Super Mario Kart - SNES - Bowser Castle 3 [Fastest Race] - 02:39.36 - Victor Delgado in -Not Accepted
    4 replies | 637 view(s)

    46. 31. crazymoose3k's Avatar
    09-30-2016, 09:45 PM
    crazymoose3k submitted a score Nintendo Wii Virtual Console - Super Mario Kart - SNES - Bowser Castle 3 [Fastest Lap] - 29.93 - Victor Delgado in -Not Accepted
    3 replies | 536 view(s)

    45. 32. mcnear's Avatar
    08-31-2016, 06:12 AM
    mcnear submitted a score Arcade - Time Pilot '84 - Points using factory default settings - 570,900 - Michael mcnear in -Not Accepted
    13 replies | 1740 view(s)

    44. 33. Barthax's Avatar
    07-22-2016, 08:55 PM
    Barthax submitted a score Xbox 360 - Final Fantasy XIII - Battle Result - Chapter 11 - Seeker x3, Vampire [Battle Duration] - 02:10.39 - Andrew Mee in -Not Accepted
    2 replies | 353 view(s)

    43. 34. CrunchBruh's Avatar
    07-22-2016, 07:34 PM
    CrunchBruh submitted a score PC - H1Z1 - Battle Royale [ Most Kills Frenzy Style - All Weapons - WIN NOT REQUIRED] - 16 - Adam Escobedo in -Not Accepted
    6 replies | 1051 view(s)

    42. 35. Desidious's Avatar
    07-06-2016, 07:24 AM
    Desidious submitted a score PlayStation - Road Rash - Thrash Mode - Level 1 - Pacific Highway [fastest time] - 03:17.75 - Brandon Finton in -Not Accepted
    6 replies | 1303 view(s)

    41. 36. trivia212005's Avatar
    06-21-2016, 06:52 AM
    trivia212005 submitted a score Xbox 360 - Band Hero - "Black Horse and the Cherry Tree" - KT Tunstall - Guitar - Easy [Points] - 91,751 - Jared Oswald in -Not Accepted
    3 replies | 585 view(s)

    40. 37. redelf's Avatar
    06-16-2016, 03:40 AM
    redelf submitted a score Arcade - Cosmic Monsters - Points - 10,440 - John McAllister in -Not Accepted
    13 replies | 1593 view(s)

    39. 38. Barthax's Avatar
    05-04-2016, 09:31 PM
    Barthax submitted a score Android - Trial Xtreme 3 - Norway - Level 9 [Time] - 39.58 - Andrew Mee in -Not Accepted
    1 replies | 258 view(s)

    38. 39. starsoldier1's Avatar
    03-30-2016, 06:51 PM
    starsoldier1 submitted a score Super Nintendo Entertainment System - Rival Turf - NTSC - Points - 125 - Ryan Genno in -Accepted
    7 replies | 701 view(s)

    37. 40. Cthulhu's Avatar
    03-27-2016, 03:32 PM
    Cthulhu submitted a score Xbox - Fusion Frenzy - PAL - Tailblazer [Fastest Time] - 49.0 - Don Atreides in -Accepted
    14 replies | 1011 view(s)

    36. 41. Pauliechoo's Avatar
    03-22-2016, 03:48 PM
    Pauliechoo submitted a score Nintendo Wii - Excite Truck - Silver Cup - Fiji - Beach Run - Normal Mode [Fastest Race] - 03:07.0 - Paul Cassat in -Not Accepted
    4 replies | 1085 view(s)

    35. 42. trivia212005's Avatar
    01-10-2016, 10:01 AM
    trivia212005 submitted a score Nintendo 64 - Mario Kart 64 - NTSC - Frappe Snowland - Fastest Race - NO Shortcuts - 02:16.62 - Jared Oswald in -Not Accepted
    6 replies | 662 view(s)

    34. 43. ssdninja's Avatar
    01-10-2016, 06:20 AM
    ssdninja submitted a score PlayStation 3 PSN - Geometry Wars 3: Dimensions Evolved - Single Player: Adventure - Level 41 - 3,562,360 - Joe Jackmovich in -Not Accepted
    6 replies | 908 view(s)

    33. 44. Brendon Meares's Avatar
    01-09-2016, 12:18 AM
    Brendon Meares submitted a score PlayStation 2 - Mortal Kombat Deception / Mortal Kombat Deception Premium Pack - NTSC - Puzzle Kombat - Max Difficulty [Points] - 28,700 - Brendon Meares in -Not Accepted
    12 replies | 1154 view(s)

    32. 45. CONSOLEPLAYEROFTHECENTURY's Avatar
    01-08-2016, 11:12 AM
    CONSOLEPLAYEROFTHECENTURY submitted a score Atari 2600 / VCS - I Want My Mommy - NTSC - Game 1, Difficulty B - 1,160 - Rudy Ferretti in -Not Accepted
    3 replies | 780 view(s)

    31. 46. Barthax's Avatar
    12-29-2015, 05:30 PM
    Barthax submitted a score PlayStation 2 - Shadow of the Colossus - PAL - Time Attack Mode - Colossus #3 (2nd right / Gaius) - Normal Difficulty [Time] - 03:48.85 - Andrew Mee in -Not Accepted
    6 replies | 1154 view(s)

    30. 47. Snowflake's Avatar
    12-25-2015, 05:00 AM
    Snowflake submitted a score Atari 2600 / VCS - Alien - EMU - Game 1, Difficulty B - - 92,441 - william rosa in -Not Accepted
    7 replies | 1397 view(s)

    29. 48. somekindacalamity's Avatar
    11-14-2015, 04:47 AM
    somekindacalamity submitted a score Nintendo Entertainment System - Dragon's Lair - NTSC - Points - 10,030 - Josh Jones in -Accepted
    12 replies | 1504 view(s)

    28. 49. datagod's Avatar
    11-07-2015, 06:51 AM
    datagod submitted a score M.A.M.E. - Robotron [Solid Blue label] - Points [Marathon Settings] - 103,450 - William McEvoy in -Not Accepted
    18 replies | 1927 view(s)

    27. 50. datagod's Avatar
    11-02-2015, 12:27 AM
    datagod submitted a score M.A.M.E. - Space Tactics - Points - 135,300 - William McEvoy in -Not Accepted
    20 replies | 2446 view(s)

    26. 51. timmell's Avatar
    10-26-2015, 03:47 AM
    timmell submitted a score Commodore 64 - Zaxxon - EMU - Points - - 12,950 - Michael Sroka in -Not Accepted
    10 replies | 969 view(s)

    25. 52. ssdninja's Avatar
    10-21-2015, 12:03 AM
    ssdninja submitted a score Playstation 4 PSN - Super Meat Boy - The Forest: 1-20 The Test (fastest time) - 18.97 - Joe Jackmovich in -Not Accepted
    1 replies | 224 view(s)

    24. 53. ssdninja's Avatar
    10-21-2015, 12:01 AM
    ssdninja submitted a score Playstation 4 PSN - Super Meat Boy - The Forest: 1-19 Intermission (fastest time) - 10.56 - Joe Jackmovich in -Not Accepted
    1 replies | 221 view(s)

    23. 54. ssdninja's Avatar
    10-20-2015, 11:59 PM
    ssdninja submitted a score Playstation 4 PSN - Super Meat Boy - The Forest: 1-18 Altamont (fastest time) - 02.18 - Joe Jackmovich in -Not Accepted
    1 replies | 238 view(s)

    22. 55. ssdninja's Avatar
    10-20-2015, 11:56 PM
    ssdninja submitted a score Playstation 4 PSN - Super Meat Boy - The Forest: 1-17 Morningstar (fastest time) - 05.09 - Joe Jackmovich in -Not Accepted
    1 replies | 226 view(s)

    21. 56. ssdninja's Avatar
    10-20-2015, 11:54 PM
    ssdninja submitted a score Playstation 4 PSN - Super Meat Boy - The Forest: 1-16 Sidewinder (fastest time) - 04.77 - Joe Jackmovich in -Not Accepted
    1 replies | 237 view(s)s

    20. 57. ssdninja's Avatar 10-20-2015, 11:53 PMs ssdninja submitted a score Playstation 4 PSN - Super Meat Boy - The Forest: 1-15 Cactus Jumper (fastest time) - 07.02 - Joe Jackmovich in -Not Accepted

    2 replies | 346 view(s)

    19. 58. ssdninja's Avatar
    10-20-2015, 11:51 PM
    ssdninja submitted a score Playstation 4 PSN - Super Meat Boy - The Forest: 1-14 Blood Mountain (fastest time) - 04.42 - Joe Jackmovich in -Not Accepted
    1 replies | 342 view(s)

    18. 59. ssdninja's Avatar
    10-20-2015, 11:49 PM
    ssdninja submitted a score Playstation 4 PSN - Super Meat Boy - The Forest: 1-13 Tommy's Cabin (fastest time) - 03.49 - Joe Jackmovich in -Not Accepted
    1 replies | 237 view(s)

    17. 60. ssdninja's Avatar
    10-20-2015, 11:47 PM
    ssdninja submitted a score Playstation 4 PSN - Super Meat Boy - The Forest: 1-12 Revolve (fastest time) - 01.98 - Joe Jackmovich in -Not Accepted
    1 replies | 208 view(s)

    16. 61. ssdninja's Avatar
    10-20-2015, 11:45 PM
    ssdninja submitted a score Playstation 4 PSN - Super Meat Boy - The Forest: 1-11 Fired (fastest time) - 04.35 - Joe Jackmovich in -Not Accepted
    1 replies | 217 view(s)

    15. 62. ssdninja's Avatar
    10-20-2015, 11:25 PM
    ssdninja submitted a score Playstation 4 PSN - Super Meat Boy - The Forest: 1-8 The Bit (fastest time) - 01.92 - Joe Jackmovich in -Not Accepted
    1 replies | 253 view(s)

    14. 63. Snowflake's Avatar
    10-19-2015, 03:01 PM
    Snowflake submitted a score Arcade - Tapper - Points [Marathon] - 10,361,550 - william rosa in -Not Accepted
    18 replies | 2990 view(s)

    13. 64. ssdninja's Avatar
    10-19-2015, 01:57 AM
    ssdninja submitted a score Playstation 4 PSN - Super Meat Boy - The Forest: 1-10 The Levee (fastest time) - 05.49 - Joe Jackmovich in -Not Accepted
    3 replies | 395 view(s)

    12. 65. ssdninja's Avatar
    10-19-2015, 01:55 AM
    ssdninja submitted a score Playstation 4 PSN - Super Meat Boy - The Forest: 1-9 Safety Third (fastest time) - 04.7 - Joe Jackmovich in -Not Accepted
    1 replies | 334 view(s)

    11. 66. ssdninja's Avatar
    10-19-2015, 01:50 AM
    ssdninja submitted a score Playstation 4 PSN - Super Meat Boy - The Forest: 1-7 Diverge (fastest time) - 03.37 - Joe Jackmovich in -Not Accepted
    1 replies | 263 view(s)

    10. 67. ssdninja's Avatar
    10-19-2015, 01:48 AM
    ssdninja submitted a score Playstation 4 PSN - Super Meat Boy - The Forest: 1-6 Bladecatcher (fastest time) - 03.7 - Joe Jackmovich in -Not Accepted
    2 replies | 330 view(s)

    9. 68. ssdninja's Avatar
    10-19-2015, 01:44 AM
    ssdninja submitted a score Playstation 4 PSN - Super Meat Boy - The Forest: 1-5 Holy Mountain (fastest time) - 05.56 - Joe Jackmovich in -Not Accepted
    2 replies | 301 view(s)

    8. 69. ssdninja's Avatar
    10-19-2015, 01:35 AM
    ssdninja submitted a score Playstation 4 PSN - Super Meat Boy - The Forest: 1-4 Nutshell (fastest time) - 04.99 - Joe Jackmovich in -Not Accepted
    2 replies | 312 view(s)

    7. 70. ssdninja's Avatar
    10-19-2015, 01:32 AM
    ssdninja submitted a score Playstation 4 PSN - Super Meat Boy - The Forest: 1-3 The Gap (fastest time) - 01.48 - Joe Jackmovich in -Not Accepted
    1 replies | 367 view(s)

    6. 71. ssdninja's Avatar
    10-18-2015, 09:19 PM
    ssdninja submitted a score iOS - Piano Tiles: Don't Tap the White Tile - Classic - Pro - 06.97 - Joe Jackmovich in -Not Accepted
    4 replies | 719 view(s)

    5. 72. ssdninja's Avatar
    10-18-2015, 11:21 AM
    ssdninja submitted a score Super Nintendo Entertainment System - Gradius III - NTSC - Points - 1,102,300 - Joe Jackmovich in -Not Accepted
    6 replies | 774 view(s)

    4. 73. Barthax's Avatar
    10-13-2015, 07:46 PM
    Barthax submitted a score Android - GnarBike Trials - Free - 14 [Time] - 24.19 milliseconds - Andrew Mee in -Not Accepted
    4 replies | 600 view(s)

    3. 74. 1500points's Avatar
    10-06-2015, 05:15 PM
    1500points submitted a score M.A.M.E. - Pac-Man - High Score Challenge! - 87,380 - Mark Hoff in -Accepted
    18 replies | 2988 view(s)

    2. 75. trivia212005's Avatar
    10-02-2015, 11:40 AM
    trivia212005 submitted a score Nintendo Wii - Guitar Hero: Aerosmith - NTSC - 7. "Bonus Tracks" - "Combination" - Easy Difficulty - 1 Player [Points] - 90,302 - Jared Oswald in -Accepted
    3 replies | 565 view(s)

    1. 76. Barthax's Avatar
    09-21-2015, 07:56 PM

    Barthax submitted a score Xbox 360 - The Crew - Solo - Omar [Score] - 19,806 - Andrew Mee in -Accepted
    1 replies | 223 view(s)


    Updated 02-19-2021 at 08:34 PM by JJT_Defender
  13. JJT_Defender's Avatar

    All my 76 wrongly voted submissions are all dated and in order from newest to oldest submissions 1 to 76; 76 to 1

    Twin Galaxies members submissions that I got right RIGHT VOTES (27,739 VOTES)

    Twin Galaxies members submissions that I got wrong
    WRONG VOTES (76 VOTES)

    Also, if any of my 76 wrongly voted submissions gets Disputed I should in no way my Credibility points be penalized again.

    Updated 02-19-2021 at 08:30 PM by JJT_Defender
  14. JJT_Defender's Avatar

    How do you get the rest of 3 Credibility points data? Has Twin Galaxies not updated it yet. It only goes to April 28, 2020 3:15 pm

    Now it is Friday, February 19, 2021 almost 10 months have passed.

  15. JJT_Defender's Avatar

    No, years ago when I voted on most of these submissions, I was on the wrong side of voting on all 76 wrongly voted submissions,

    On all 76 wrongly voted submissions my Credibility points was penalized. They are FINISHED DONE WITH ALLTOGETHER.

    What happens in the l disputing is a mute point I should not be penalized a second time on any of these 76 wrongly voted submissions and that would be wrong & double jeopardy ,in no way should this happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

    Mind reading can be difficult especially when the other person refuses to help but I think I’ve deciphers Juan’s claim

    jjt you said tg members rejected and you voted yes, I believe this claim of yours helps explain the confusion. You seem to see the disputed sub being rejected now as proof it was rejected by tg members then. So if you thought tg members rejected it then of course you thought you took a hit then. Likewise since you did take a hit after the dispute you also see that hit and conclude two hits happen

    Updated 02-19-2021 at 08:53 PM by JJT_Defender
  16. Snowflake's Avatar

    You weren’t in the wrong at the time. When you accepted at the time it was considered correct only after the dispute was it considered wrong. Thank you that incorrect claim completely establishes the disconnect. Now I can tell you you weren’t penalized then because it wasn’t considered wrong then certainly lot thr disputed among the 76 and you can insist you were if you like but in my opinion the confusion is now resolved at least on my part. I hate to fall back on trust I’d rather explain but Stella explained all you need better than I could and I explained exactly where ou made a mistake so I guess do with that what you will

    I guess if I would try one last angle consider this. If you voted yes and it wasn’t accepted at the tilme and you lost cred then how did anyone dispute an already rejected submission? That’s not possible I think if you think on this you know this

  17. Snowflake's Avatar

    Ooo perhaps a different question can help

    Ok Juan you’re right, but how do you know? How do you know how did you learn you were penalized a second time? Do you remember or still know how you learned this happened ?

  18. stella_blue's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

    You weren’t in the wrong at the time. When you accepted at the time it was considered correct only after the dispute was it considered wrong. Thank you that incorrect claim completely establishes the disconnect.


    Perhaps the disconnect is caused by the existence of 2 data sources:

    • The "Wrong Votes" link on a user's profile page
    • The CR Audit Trail


    Those 2 items are COMPLETELY SEPARATE and BEHAVE DIFFERENTLY.

    The "Wrong Votes" listing is updated automatically.

    The CR Audit Trail is NOT updated automatically. It requires substantial system resources to generate the stats for all users, so it only runs ON REQUEST.

    Now, let's take another look at the Joe Jackmovich submission that started this uproar:

    Xbox 360 - Beautiful Katamari - Oasis Café - Time - 01:42.626 - Joe Jackmovich

    According to Juan's own research, the submission shows up when he clicks the "Wrong Votes" link on his profile page (see below):

    Quote Originally Posted by JJT_Defender

    Here are all 76 wrongly voted submissions and all 76 was penalized my Credibility points , so there is no need to penalize my Credibility points a 2nd time.

    56. 21. ssdninja's Avatar
    01-28-2017, 02:27 AM
    ssdninja submitted a score Xbox 360 - Beautiful Katamari - Oasis Café - Time - 01:42.626 - Joe Jackmovich in -Not Accepted
    2 replies | 582 view(s)


    Juan's CR Audit Trail was originally run on April 28, 2020. He has never requested to have the stats rerun, so the data is obsolete (see below):

    Quote Originally Posted by JJT_Defender

    How do you get the rest of 3 Credibility points data? Has Twin Galaxies not updated it yet. It only goes to April 28, 2020 3:15 pm

    Now it is Friday, February 19, 2021 almost 10 months have passed.



    Because Juan's CR Audit trail is outdated, his vote on the Joe Jackmovich "Beautiful Katamari" submission will appear as a correct vote, with 3 CR points earned.

    When his stats are rerun, the vote will be updated to an incorrect vote, with a 5% CR penalty applied. It won't mean that he has been penalized twice; it will only be an indication that the 2 data sources are in agreement.


    ThanksJace Hall, Snowflake, HugDD thanked this post
    Updated 02-20-2021 at 06:34 AM by stella_blue
  19. Snowflake's Avatar

    ah thx, so i think i was half right but incomplete. if i'm understanding you, the audit trail is retroactive but of course notificatoins as well as "wrong votes" happens in true chronological order. i think notificatoins belong as they are, and the audit trail belongs retroactive. i suppose wrong votes could stand be reorganized retroactively as well but that seems like it should be a fairly priority for programming

  20. JJT_Defender's Avatar

    Scott it clearly states that Joe Jackmovich submissions was NOT ACCEPTED by TG members

    I was on the wrong side of the voting, I voted yes accepted.

    Believe me I did take a Credibility points loss on that particular submission years ago and I remember every time I take a Credibility points loss.

    Question to you Scott

    1. Hopefully your not saying it delayed 4/5 years later then I get a Credibility points loss, I doubt that , it would be a fantasy. Far fetched to believe that happened.

    2. How would you fix or patch or reprogram the system to function better? So as not to have system errors, & not have this happen again.

    3. How would you get system to do credit audit trail faster and more accurate?

    But what does this have to do with my Credibility points loss recently?

    4. Scott answer this question,how and why are some of my 76 wrongly voted submissions, particularly Joe Jackmovich submissions are taking another Credibility points loss/ hit again?

    5. Do you agree that any of my 76 wrongly voted submissions in my archives should not take another Credibility points loss/hit again?

    6. What does CR audit trail have to do with my wrongly voted submissions?

    7. Can CR audit trail be updated by Jace Hall or admin staff?

    8. @Jace Hall @admin staff The simple solution is to just exempt all Twin Galaxies members from Credibility points loss/hit that are missing game videos from submissions.

    That are probably estimated to be between 500 to 1000 missing game videos from these players submissions.

    8a. Because it would be in the best interest of Twin Galaxies members to focus on Disputing questionable Referee's ,false, questionable, emulators,game genie, cheat codes,stealing other players videos,altering a games programming,clipping,impossible,cheating, leeching,made - up Scores and times from TG member players video game submissions that are in Twin Galaxies Scoreboard Database archives presently.

    9. The vast majority agree that their are many questional scores and times that should not be in the Twin Galaxies Scoreboard Database archives. We all want them Disputed and removed.

    10. Question to @Jace Hall

    10. Can you separate the old referee scores and times from TGSAP into 2 different leaderboards, you would see the major difference in the scores and times.

    also those questionable records would still be intact and Twin Galaxies members would Dispute these records more and get them out.

    Quote Originally Posted by stella_blue

    Perhaps the disconnect is caused by the existence of 2 data sources:

    • The "Wrong Votes" link on a user's profile page
    • The CR Audit Trail

    Those 2 items are COMPLETELY SEPARATE and BEHAVE DIFFERENTLY.

    The "Wrong Votes" listing is updated automatically.

    The CR Audit Trail is NOT updated automatically. It requires substantial system resources to generate the stats for all users, so it only runs ON REQUEST.

    Now, let's take another look at the Joe Jackmovich submission that started this uproar:

    Xbox 360 - Beautiful Katamari - Oasis Café - Time - 01:42.626 - Joe Jackmovich

    According to Juan's own research, the submission shows up when he clicks the "Wrong Votes" link on his profile page (see below):



    Juan's CR Audit Trail was originally run on April 28, 2020. He has never requested to have the stats rerun, so the data is obsolete (see below):



    Because Juan's CR Audit trail is outdated, his vote on the Joe Jackmovich "Beautiful Katamari" submission will appear as a correct vote, with 3 CR points earned.

    When his stats are rerun, the vote will be updated to an incorrect vote, with a 5% CR penalty applied. It won't mean that he has been penalized twice; it will only be an indication that the 2 data sources are in agreement.


    Updated 02-20-2021 at 03:12 PM by JJT_Defender
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