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03-14-2021 at 06:53 AM
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Twin Galaxies staff & members, brainstorm on ways to safely upload 10+ hr marathon game to TG

Like for MAME, Arcade,PC or any console system games that are 5 plus hours long.


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  1. 80sArcadeKid's Avatar

    I think the Nibbler submission is a good learning exercise, obviously the 5GB limit is not the only limit for lengthy videos, length of time must have an impact on the processing. I also wonder if there will be issues with these kind of length performances and the automated Twitch streaming setup.

    I've actually got a 4 part version of the Nibbler performance that I'm testing in Vzaar. 3 x 10hrs and 1 x 8.5hr video (each less than 1.5GB)

    I also I wonder how many gigabytes (or terabytes) worth of failed uploads there are sitting on the TG Vzaar account, it must be huge.

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  2. thegamer1185's Avatar

    If they are under 5 GB you should be good. If I know I'm doing a marathon I purposely find a quick safe spot, usually after defeating a boss or end of game credits, to quickly stop and restart my recording device. If you are playing a game that doesn't have such a safe place, you can record the full play and use a free program to break it down into several videos to come under the 5GB requirement

    I haven't had a failed upload attempt in years so I think that issue is solved. In fact, my uploads are quicker than **** now. An hour video might take 5 minutes at the most to upload.

    You bring up a great point. Couple 20-30 terabytes worth of dead uploads perhaps?

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  3. RedDawn's Avatar

    This is definitely an issue that needs resolved.

    Several notable and highly acclaimed marathon world records lack the evidence that is required of most other submissions. If somebody challenged these at some point in the future they would have a decent argument, especially since some of them heavily rely on Twitch. TG needs to give the ability to somehow archive ALL of a submission's evidence in-house without depending on other services for these marathon games just like all of the other submissions.

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  4. Snowflake's Avatar

    is a 40 hour marathon long enough to provide a good example?
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/192788


    use handbreak, break into ten seperate four hour segments. upload them with additional evidence button. badaboom badabing you're done.

  5. RedDawn's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

    is a 40 hour marathon long enough to provide a good example?
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/192788


    use handbreak, break into ten seperate four hour segments. upload them with additional evidence button. badaboom badabing you're done.

    So should submissions that dont do this be rejected? Even when say, a bunch of people watched them play it on Twitch?
    Should we go back and look at all TGSAP Marathon submissions with these requirements?
  6. Snowflake's Avatar

    pretty sure theres a way to break up twtich subs too or there used to be a way at least


    fyi yes all twitch subs marathon or not need direct upload now. marathoans follow the same rules as everthing else. the example i gave you was simultaneoulsy streamed on twitch and locallly recorded.

    so i'm not sure if you're asking if the direct upload requried rule should be removed or if you're asking if TG needs to be able to better import twitch videos.

  7. Snowflake's Avatar

    oh no i remember why my mind thought there was a way to break up twitch subs, just the opposite. TG does have an option to import twitch videos, but it limits itself to 4 hours, so the exact opposite of whats needed

    I havent imported from twtich in forever, but its possible that feature needs updating

  8. Snowflake's Avatar

    theres a problem too with "others witnessed it". the actual witnsses know they witnessed it, but thats problematic claim for evidence to others. remember all of billy and todds scores that supposedly had dozens of witnesses and were done at public places.

    additionally even if we hear from the witnesses themselves, how many witnesses really watched every moment of all 40 hours? theres a world of difference between people casually watching parts of something, and adjudicators scrutinizing the evidence.

    we need permanent transparent evidence. all TGSAP scores need permanent transparent evidence and yes, if you know of any tgsap missing video it should be disputed. i'll gladly dispute any such submission you can point me to. As for twitch evidence which still exists but is not direct uploaded, that used to be allowed. i forgot the exact date the rule of direct upload was made, but yes any twitch only evidence before that date is disputable. in that case a dispute would probably get a lot of eye rolling but it would be in line with the rules

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  9. Snowflake's Avatar

    not a twitch expert (excuse the many comments i'm looking into this and trying to be thorough as we speak) but it appears twtich does allow download so its ok if you didnt locally record. so assuming "download" does what it sounds like and isnt a very misleading name
    1. downlaod the twitch video
    2. handbreak it
    3 upload all parts with additional evidence

    its not to late to do this for ac urrent sub. no need to resubmit, just download, break, upload with additional evdience

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  10. Garrett Holland's Avatar

    Ive submitted several 10+ hr runs with no issues. I compressed the video down to 5GB.

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  11. Fly's Avatar

    A download from Twitch is just that. I've used it when I didn't record locally.

    I believe I used it for my Excitebike submission which is two 6 hour clips.

    Fly

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  12. Alantheace's Avatar

    My PAC-MAN score was 6.5, but uploaded in 1 submission without issue. that was like 17 hours long...luckily i was not ask to break down.

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    Can you or a few Twin Galaxies members do A Wiki Tutorial "How to" on handbreak, separating, condensing etc. a marathon game.

    Especially for new & veteran Twin Galaxies members who know how to do it, on marathon game Submissions.

    Thank you

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

    is a 40 hour marathon long enough to provide a good example?
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/192788


    use handbreak, break into ten seperate four hour segments. upload them with additional evidence button. badaboom badabing you're done.

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  14. JJT_Defender's Avatar

    How did you do it, the normal way or what? Please explain if you did a different way?

    Thank you

    Quote Originally Posted by Alantheace

    My PAC-MAN score was 6.5, but uploaded in 1 submission without issue. that was like 17 hours long...luckily i was not ask to break down.

  15. JJT_Defender's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by JJT_Defender


    Can you or a few Twin Galaxies members do A Wiki Tutorial "How to" on handbreak, separating, compress, etc. a marathon game.

    Especially for new & veteran Twin Galaxies members who know how to do it, on marathon game Submissions.

    Thank you


  16. 80sArcadeKid's Avatar

    Lots of great comments but if you look at the number of attempts at the start of the Nibbler submission to upload a 4.42GB (38.5hr) video you will see that it certainly isn't uploading properly as a single video. There is NOTHING wrong with the file size. I've also seen the same happening to other submissions so it's not a one off.

    I've since converted the original 35GB file to 4 x 10hr versions (with slightly changed handbrake settings for web optimisation) and Part 1 (10hrs @ 1.45GB) worked on my test to Vzaar. So I'm gonna upload the rest and give the submitter the links for his submission. I hope that is allowed and there is no rule around 'must be uploaded by the submitter' as long as it's in TG Vzaar and in the TG submission thread.

    So honestly there is no clear cut reason why the 4.42GB file does not upload it has to be something to do with the length and way the file is processed in handbrake, even though other file processed the same have had no issue.

    Here is working Part 1 (10hrs) - https://view.vzaar.com/22743885/player



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    Updated 03-14-2021 at 01:50 PM by 80sArcadeKid
  17. Snowflake's Avatar

    there's only two issues with not the submitter uploading

    1. ownership. we've had people upload others stuff before when the person didnt want anyone uploading, but that doesnt seem to be the case here
    2. the submitter must at least claim thats their evidence. imagine if you will some cheating happened thats caught later. the submitter could say "the cheating was in the video the other guy uploaded not my evidence".

    so as long as you have both permission and acknowledgement thats the evidence i see no issues

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  18. 80sArcadeKid's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

    if you know of any tgsap missing video it should be disputed. i'll gladly dispute any such submission you can point me to.

    I’m told no ‘full gameplay’ video on TGSAP prior to 2019 when it became mandatory is fine. The previous Nibbler MAME WR only has the finish, so missing most of the performance.

  19. Snowflake's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by 80sArcadeKid


    I’m told no ‘full gameplay’ video on TGSAP prior to 2019 when it became mandatory is fine. The previous Nibbler MAME WR only has the finish, so missing most of the performance.


    worded like that isnt exactly accurate. evidence always had to be permanent. so while in theory even a photograph could've been allowed before upload required, what was always a rule was permancence. so for example, if twtich video was used that later come down, score can be removed. not exactly cause theres no video, but rather because it was accepted based on evidence that no longer existed (removed video)

    theres a difference between a removed video which is grounds for dispute and removal and video never being uploaded in the first place

  20. 80sArcadeKid's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

    worded like that isnt exactly accurate. evidence always had to be permanent. so while in theory even a photograph could've been allowed before upload required, what was always a rule was permancence. so for example, if twtich video was used that later come down, score can be removed. not exactly cause theres no video, but rather because it was accepted based on evidence that no longer existed (removed video)


    theres a difference between a removed video which is grounds for dispute and removal and video never being uploaded in the first place

    Yeah no I get that it has always had to be permanent, it just didn’t have to be the ‘full gameplay’ compared to after the rule came about.

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