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05-21-2019 at 03:50 PM
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On This Day Record May 21: Donald Hayes - Joust

Lonnie McDonald is always the one I hear about when I hear about Joust. We spoke about it at length last year and I was aware of a tour he was doing to challenge every Joust machine he could find in the continental US, so color me surprised when I went searching and found that he's actually the #2 on the Joust [Tournament] - Single Player Points track. In 2016, Donald Hayes ( @dbh ) was recognized for a 1,723,000 point record run and currently holds the record on Twin Galaxies. It's about a 53 and a half minute run and the second life is absolutely a site to behold.
Given the level of skill and talent associated with Joust, it's a wonder the 2016 record still holds the top spot, but given that it takes an hour of tight reflexes to get to where Hayes got, I imagine it's also a terrifically stressful experience even approaching that bar. Awesome run.
You can check out the entire run here.
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  1. Snowflake's Avatar

    if youre interested in joust theres really another name that deserves attention to -- john mcallister -- best arcade marathoner

    john has the record for marathon (allowed to use every life he earned)
    don has the record for 5 lives only (thats what "tournament" normally means, you can only use 5 lives regardless of what you earn)
    and of course lonnie "joust tour" where i believe he's finally rolled the score in every U.S. state

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  2. JohnnyOlMan's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

    if youre interested in joust theres really another name that deserves attention to -- john mcallister -- best arcade marathoner

    john has the record for marathon (allowed to use every life he earned)
    don has the record for 5 lives only (thats what "tournament" normally means, you can only use 5 lives regardless of what you earn)
    and of course lonnie "joust tour" where i believe he's finally rolled the score in every U.S. state

    Correct, and thank you for the clarification on all accounts. John McCallister set the Marathon record back in February 2018. Although in regards to Tournament settings, I believe in Joust's case, it's like games like Galaga where the settings don't let you earn extra lives. You're held to a few lives and that's that.

    I remember talking to Armando Gonzalez a lot about playing between Marathon and Tournament settings on Galaga and the mentality for both. With Marathon, it's an iron man thing where you just have to keep going, play past mistakes, earn your
    way to extra men, and keep your senses about you. The challenge is in the fatigue that many players suffer after hours of
    play. With Tournament like what we see here in Hayes's record, it's about maximization of each life. Everything counts so
    much more in those small spaces because you can't play your way back to more lives. The stress is less about fatigue and more about immediate perfection.

    Of course it varies from game to game, but you can feel the pressure on Hayes when he crashes his first life early before
    going on that absolute tear with the second one. Fascinating stuff. And for sure! Joust fans should absolutely check out
    McCallister's Marathon record linked above as well! A much, much longer watch, but worth observing the difference in style.

    Updated 05-21-2019 at 04:55 PM by JohnnyOlMan
  3. Snowflake's Avatar

    close. but its not always the setting that limit your lives. i'm not an expert on galaga so i could be wrong, but i'm pretty sure both tournament actual dip switch setting and marathon settings allow extra lives to be earned, however its a track rule that limits you to 5 lives. so you're correct about the skill level and making each life count. thats why in galaga lets say if you lost 4 lives already, you may actually have several lives in reserve, but since you're supposed to limit yourself to 5 you're not allowed to use the double trick

    the "tournament setting" isnt exact a "setting" so much as its rule governing game play.

    if you watch Don Hayes' "touranament settings" however you seem to be correct and the settings itself enforce it, it varies from game to game.

    there's even a seldom used "extreme settings" which limits you to one life, and is usually just a rule than an actual setting

    oh, and to be clear, i was wrong on joust so thx for the correction. joust i thought was one of the many games where you earned extra lives but could only use 5. rewatching dons game though i realize my memory was wrong

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  4. Fly's Avatar

    Rumor has it that someone is sitting on a really fat score and has been for years. I don't know what he's waiting for, but I've seen him play 1 life to an extreme amount of points. So I have no reason to not believe him. I just wish he'd post it already.

    Hec

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  5. Blackflag82's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyOlMan

    John McCallister set the Marathon record back in February 2018.

    Actually John set this record a ways back in 2010 (https://kotaku.com/new-world-record-in-joust-awaiting-certification-5671566 ). He just went through the effort of uploading his videos under TGSAP for full transparency which is why the 2018 date is attached (I know he did Asteroids as well, but am not sure of the others).

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  6. Blackflag82's Avatar

    Also, as a side note, Don didn't steal the crown from Lonnie as he'd held the record since at least 2008. He just upped his score even further. That evidence is included in the link to the submission you posted.

    I appreciate what you're trying to do with these posts, so please don't take this as a dig, but doing a little bit of research on the score/s featured in these posts and providing some background on the score and leader board could really go a long way to make these more interesting/engaging. Most of that research can be done with some pretty quick TG site and google searches.

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  7. JohnnyOlMan's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Blackflag82
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyOlMan
    John McCallister set the Marathon record back in February 2018.
    Actually John set this record a ways back in 2010 (https://kotaku.com/new-world-record-...cation-5671566 ). He just went through the effort of uploading his videos under TGSAP for full transparency which is why the 2018 date is attached (I know he did Asteroids as well, but am not sure of the others).
    Haha, fair enough. This is why I usually make the distinction of “was recognized” as opposed to saying it was when it happened with these. I figure there's usually some wait normally, but that's definitely interesting.
  8. Fly's Avatar

    Some if the dates are when scores were reentered. I've had scores that were challenged and temporarily taken down. They reappeared with a different date afterwards. Some are when the database was transferred over from one format to another. I have some that have NOTHING to do with the original date they verified them. Also, my profile says 2005. It should be 1999 or 98. 2005 is a bit off. So its kinda hard to follow and date trails here.

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  9. Snowflake's Avatar

    A lot of the time for tgsap scores at least you can read the comments and they’ll likely be some indication if it’s a reentry or upping of the score in the adjudication thread

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  10. Snowflake's Avatar

    still cant knock TG journalism standards for it though. when the local news did a story on my tapper run, they must've checked my list of scores, saw i had first for joust on the atari 2600, but must have read quick and assumed it was arcade, and listed joust arcade as one of my accomplishments.


    whenever any news cite has ever done a single story on anything i was personally familiar with they always got something simple wrong. i expect it. i respect that johnnyolman is reading the comments and learning though, in my opinion that shows more effort than what most better known journalists put out

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  11. JohnnyOlMan's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake
    still cant knock TG journalism standards for it though. when the local news did a story on my tapper run, they must've checked my list of scores, saw i had first for joust on the atari 2600, but must have read quick and assumed it was arcade, and listed joust arcade as one of my accomplishments.


    whenever any news cite has ever done a single story on anything i was personally familiar with they always got something simple wrong. i expect it. i respect that johnnyolman is reading the comments and learning though, in my opinion that shows more effort than what most better known journalists put out
    Honestly, it's all super interesting to me. I've always been interested in the achievements and records, and much of this is illuminating as to the further history, twists and turns, and execution here. Then there's the fact that it also just helps me do my job and continue to make stuff like this better.


    I do appreciate the patience where I can get it. But it's most certainly an opportunity to learn and apply it as we go and I appreciate that too.
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