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Lauren Tyler
11-02-2018 at 08:08 PM
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So I made a few mistakes with voting...

Yeah, I made a couple mistakes... I admit it...


NOW GIVE MY @#$%ING CREDIBILITY BACK! I MEAN NOW!

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  1. RaGe's Avatar

    That's not how it works..lol

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  2. Lauren Tyler's Avatar

    I was at like 2300 now I'm down to 1800! I worked hard for that credibility!

  3. GibGirl's Avatar

    Yeah, I got caught in a mistake, and it set me back quite a bit toward being able to file disputes... :( Why the heck are those things connected?

  4. RaGe's Avatar

    Yep. I've been there. I haven't had one in a while, but I think it's a 5% deduction for every wrong vote.

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  5. Snowflake's Avatar

    Confirming for rage it is in fact 5% deduction per wrong vote

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  6. thegamer1185's Avatar

    Weird, I just posted something about disputes effecting CR. Trending.

  7. Max's Avatar

    Trending indeed.


    We could just hide CR all together. If TG wants to use it behind the scenes, nobody would be the wiser. SP only.

  8. bensweeneyonbass's Avatar
    Sigh. It is what it is, people. Deal with it in whatever way works best for you. Dialing back your adjudication volume will always help you keep track of things. As for disputes that's just the way the system works. Don't have to like it. I don't. But I'm still here and I'm not demanding anything of TG. They give us a lot already.


    You can't recoup CR by asking for it back. That's obvious, right?
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  9. Pixe Sukola's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by bensweeneyonbass
    You can't recoup CR by asking for it back. That's obvious, right?


    I know it worked for Kyle Nelson, he lost almost 2,000 credibility with Jesse Porter submissions, next day he posted an angry message asking for it back and the day after that he got it ALL back.

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    Updated 11-03-2018 at 11:26 AM by Pixe Sukola
  10. Lauren Tyler's Avatar

    I feel that the penalty was FAR too harsh!

  11. Marco1019's Avatar

    I've been nicked on two occasions: Once when I voted & went out to dinner, only to return home and discover the submission was incorrect. The second time took place while I was off TG for about six months so I have no idea what happened. I was able to recoup all of my points each time, though it took a few weeks of voting correctly.

    It does sting at first, but then you make it up before you know it.

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  12. Max's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Tyler

    I feel that the penalty was FAR too harsh!


    It is pretty harsh.


    It's also an arbitrary percentage. Some guy (Jace) thought that 5% would be a "just" amount to deter blind voting. It is what it is.


    While I can't give you your CR back, here are a few tips and things to think about:


    Blind voting remains present in the system.


    The system encourages safe voting only. As a result, never vote no on anything ever as it represents too great a risk.


    The system encourages that one only votes on well known submitters playing well known games. Voting on anything else represents too great a risk.


    Submissions are decided by the top 30 people anyway, so voting on anything that is not obvious represents too great a risk.


    While anyone can get into the top 30 over time, once one gets there you are still only 1 vote out of 30.


    If the top 30 abstain from a risky submission, the submission will likely either never pass adjudication or it will sit forever and perhaps one day, a long time from now pass adjudication. Perhaps.


    The only value CR offers is one becomes eligible to make a dispute if your CR is 4K or above. I personally have well over 4K but never started a dispute. If one really wants something disputed, there are many users with 4K or more CR that would gladly open a dispute for others if evidence so deems, or in some instances, even if there is no evidence whatsoever.


    TG does state that "a high CR could be referenced by media and industry!" :D


    We all want our stats to increase, but exactly how does CR benefit anyone?



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  13. Snowflake's Avatar

    I wonder if this is a case where simple wording change could make people happy. Credibilty does two things, weights the vote, and gives accss to open disputes. yet time after time i see people viewing it as a score rather than a way of determining how many votes someone should get. maybe if it was renamed "vote weighting" you know, given a name that reflects what it is.

  14. GibGirl's Avatar

    I only care about mine because of wanting to hit 4k for opwning disputes. Other than that, I dont really care.

    I still think that TG would be better if credibility was hidden and disputes were disconnected from it.

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  15. Snowflake's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by GibGirl

    I only care about mine because of wanting to hit 4k for opwning disputes. Other than that, I dont really care.

    I still think that TG would be better if credibility was hidden and disputes were disconnected from it.


    i strongly agree in theory, in practice though i get it.

    hiding, or at least removing the cred leaderboard which only further encourages people to view it as points in some sort of competition, would stop people from treating it as some sort of weird status symbol. however, remember how terrible programming is here. Stella wouldnt be able to catch so many bugs if it was hidden. So while i'd like it to behidden, there fact programming has zero quality control means we need transparency for now.

    As for why the two are connected, i would also have to agree that credibility doesnt make you more or less qualitifed for disputes. the stated reasoning (that i believe has merit) is to stop abuse. people with higher cred have more to lose from a ban since more effort was put in, and are also less likely to even want to abuse things so anyone who put that much effort in presumably cares about the integrity of TG. I would hope that if any of us can come up with alternative way to prevent a wave of invalid disputes from being opened by just anybody then TG would have to at least consider it. a "commissioner" for disputes wouldnt be a terrible idea.

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  16. thegamer1185's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Pixe Sukola



    I know it worked for Kyle Nelson, he lost almost 2,000 credibility with Jesse Porter submissions, next day he posted an angry message asking for it back and the day after that he got it ALL back.


    Haha, damn right. And much time has passed and here we are again having the same discussions. If you are wronged, speak up and see what happens. TG has done a lot on here, some things get done and unforeseen things end up happening or unexpected. Make note if them and correct them, or at least address us and say it is this way for a reason and it's staying. Right now, I don't think anyone can argue that the person responsible for removing the video/losing the video should be punished and not the voters.


    I don't want to think about a punishment while I'm adjudicating. Nobody should. If a score is legit, it's legit and we should be able to vote with confidence on it.


    This is why I love this group of peeps that weigh in on these topics. We aren't attacking each other, we discuss and something might come of it, more than likely it won't. You guys are good people.

  17. Pixe Sukola's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by GibGirl

    I only care about mine because of wanting to hit 4k for opwning disputes. Other than that, I dont really care.

    I still think that TG would be better if credibility was hidden and disputes were disconnected from it.


    I think having to hit certain CR before opening disputes is a good thing. Remember how annoying those spam walls posts are? Imagine having dispute spams from trolls, people that dislike TG, or dislike certain players, it would be chaos.

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    Updated 11-03-2018 at 05:39 PM by Pixe Sukola
  18. GibGirl's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Pixe Sukola
    Quote Originally Posted by GibGirl
    I only care about mine because of wanting to hit 4k for opwning disputes. Other than that, I dont really care.I still think that TG would be better if credibility was hidden and disputes were disconnected from it.
    I think having to hit certain CR before opening disputes is a good thing. Remember how annoying those spam posts are? Imagine having dispute spams from trolls, people that dislike like TG, or dislike certain players, it would be chaos.
    I wouldn't want disputes to be free and unrestricted, but that there could be some other criteria used instead.
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  19. Barra's Avatar

    ESI >>> CR

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  20. thegamer1185's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Barra

    ESI >>> CR


    Not just greater, he has this greater to the third power greater! Awesome!

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