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Lauren Tyler
01-15-2019 at 11:39 AM
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Thoughts on this: Extra points trick in Popeye for Atari 2600

There's a trick in Popeye where, after collecting at least eight hearts on the first screen and then losing a life, you immediately collect the spinach and then attack Bluto. When this happens, you get over 140,000 points.


Does this seem like an actual cheat to you? Because I'd think achieving a score through this method seems a bit unfair.

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  1. Snowflake's Avatar

    i was unaware of this, however, in popeye you cant win unlimited lives so anyone doing this is actually limiting themselvse. i'm not usually too worried about tactics that actually hold the player back.

    also just how "immediate" is immediate? because people can die on accident you cant outlaw that, and people are supposed to get the spinach. it does sound like a glitch but depending on how intentional you have to be to get it versus just happening through normal gameplay i think would make a difference.

  2. Lauren Tyler's Avatar

    I believe you have to do it right after your new life starts. You have to immediately get the spinach then attack Bluto. I should probably test this for myself somehow.

  3. nads's Avatar

    Actually there is a score on the board that used this trick/glitch as the end score ends in 20.

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  4. Marcade's Avatar

    Its a well known glitch, as its been mentioned once before on the TG forum archives from referees it would be considered a cheat, as you are earning points for not earning it.


    It was once discussed on Atari-age forums as well.

    http://atariage.com/forums/topic/172561-high-score-club-814-popeye/page-2?hl=%2Bpopeye#entry2143316

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    Updated 01-15-2019 at 03:51 PM by Marcade
  5. Snowflake's Avatar

    uh oh, looks we got a challenge a brewin


  6. Marcade's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by nads

    Actually there is a score on the board that used this trick/glitch as the end score ends in 20.



    Good catch. Yes, that is an impossible digit, as the game only scores in 50's.

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  7. nads's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Marcade




    Good catch. Yes, that is an impossible digit, as the game only scores in 50's.


    The only reason I didn't challenge it was because it was verified by a Referee,

    That score would have taken less the 5 minutes to achieve so I'm assuming the Ref watched the whole thing and deemed it OK.

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  8. Lauren Tyler's Avatar

    Might as well just let it go.

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  9. Marcade's Avatar

    115,120 would be the exact score after you get 8 or more hearts, commit suicide, jump off the ledge, get the spinach ASAP, and K/O Brutus.

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    Updated 01-15-2019 at 04:03 PM by Marcade
  10. Marcade's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by nads



    The only reason I didn't challenge it was because it was verified by a Referee,

    That score would have taken less the 5 minutes to achieve so I'm assuming the Ref watched the whole thing and deemed it OK.


    Well, it should be disclosed that David Archey (who went by "Russell") WAS a referee, who most likely had this score verified by one of his local referee friends (Team Quad Rock) ... They were all a local group from Ohio, who verified each others scores. I am not saying they were shady, I met them all once at a Funspot event, all friendly and all legit gamers, but they usually verified each others scores as their own team effort.

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  11. Snowflake's Avatar

    I’m not sure being verified by ref alone means it’s ok. There have been a lot of fake scores refs verified when they shouldn’t have and are now removed.


    Don’t get me wrong as you see by my first comment I think there’s room for discussion but if refs publicly told people no while allowing someone else that’s not ok

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  12. nads's Avatar

    I'm happy for someone to dispute and I will vote accordingly :-)

  13. datagod's Avatar

    We have a score in the database that allowed this technique. Hell, we have @TriForce the Lord of Leeching and his scores proven to be using banned techniques. I don't trust the dispute system anymore.

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  14. Ninglendo's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Marcade



    Well, it should be disclosed that David Archey (who went by "Russell") WAS a referee, who most likely had this score verified by one of his local referee friends (Team Quad Rock) ... They were all a local group from Ohio, who verified each others scores. I am not saying they were shady, I met them all once at a Funspot event, all friendly and all legit gamers, but they usually verified each others scores as their own team effort.

    I can confirm this to be true. Other groups of refs BITD did the same thing as well. For years in the old days of TG there existed a "buddy system" between refs and certain players or refs with other refs. Basically, if you were friends with a ref you pretty much got special treatment whether it was getting submissions through quicker or having a game's rules tailored to you.
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  15. Snowflake's Avatar

    If I can find the old forums publicly telling others they can’t use it then you bet your ass I’ll challenge it

  16. Snowflake's Avatar

    i searched the archives i found noting either way.

    I will say though, if one of us submitted such a score i'm pretty sure the refs would DQ in it a heartbeat.

  17. Kelly Kerr's Avatar

    i might have to dig out my popeye cart and give this little glitch a shot.

  18. Pearl2hu's Avatar
    If you cant get infinite extends then it isnt cheating.
  19. bensweeneyonbass's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Pearl2hu
    If you cant get infinite extends then it isnt cheating.


    You mean it isn't "leeching" but you're right


    In this instance I believe it was ruled that it was a glitch. Glitch=bad=DQ.

  20. Snowflake's Avatar

    yeah, its definitley not leeching. TG also outlaws glitches as a global rule too though, which makes speed runs here pretty lame.

    theres globla rules on what sort of devices are allowed, but the global rules for gameplay are no leeching (fairly well defined yet somehow becomes an argument over and over anyway), glitches (also pretty well defined though to be fair it does invovle reading programmers intnetion some features are confused as bugs), and "spirit of the game" which is by the most open to opinion.

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