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04-25-2018 at 02:07 PM
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PETITION: To reinstate ALL #1 ranked scores as a TG World Record.

Recently, us TG active members/gamers learned that back when Premium/Non-premium track status were intact, it reflected within the #1 ranking count, but not giving credit towards the overall "TG WR count". Recently. we then learned that a "TGSAP newly created track/ or a derivative of" needed over "10 competitors" for it to count as a TG World record. I personally find this bias, inequality, and unacceptable.

Therefore, this blog post is a petition to: Re-instate any/all Twin Galaxies Ranked #1 scores, (whether inaugural, or a few competitors), to count as the OVERALL TALLY as an official "TG World record". (a consistent match with the overall member leaderboards) as it once was, before the "track creation" days were implemented.

Whether tracks were originally created by a TG referee (Pre-TGSAP days, some even suggested by gamers like myself) or created by current TGSAP active members/gamers , (retro, modern, or both), who work on behalf of this database to keep the modern day generation console tracks active, participate, and rules "up to speed", the bottom line is "ALL SCORES/TIMES count as equal", no matter what the game track is. The amount of competitors/participants involved inside that specific track (original or new) is insignificant.

The goal here is consistency! A TG WR is a TG WR!

Please refer to Ben Sweeney's original blog post in relation to the topic discussed.
https://www.twingalaxies.com/benswee...-record-counts

Please feel free to support this petition "the way it once was" by either like/thanks this post, or feel free to comment with your support.

Thanks...
Marc Cohen (Marcade)

@Jace Hall @Dave Hawksett

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  1. GibGirl's Avatar
    I agree, and my view is simple. If you don't think a score on a track deserves to get the recognition as a record, then beat it, or arrange to have someone else do it. There's no more effective way to address that.

    (Though I do think there should be some sort of official "novelty track" category for those that really more "for fun", and those could probably not be called world records)
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  2. Snowflake's Avatar
    my agreeement is more based on where this leads. By twin galaxies itself claiming first places at its site dont count as TG world records then it destroys the semantics defense as to why first place for something else does get the "wr" rating even if other sites have a higher score.

    people from other sites sometimes complain tg shouldnt use wr for scores other sites beat. the counter has always been "tg wr" just means the highest score recorded at TG from players all around the world. it does not actually reflect how high the score is compared to others. their counter is wr means highest recorded anywhere.

    both points of view have validity. but tg is playing it both ways by saying for some scores "wr" just mean "tg wr" but for other scores saying "wr" is too meaningful to use on the score
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  3. bensweeneyonbass's Avatar
    Write me in by name. Ben Sweeney supports making all #1 scores count as TG WRs.
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  4. sdwyer138's Avatar
    Agreed.

    A top score is a top score, no matter who created it or how many people have submitted on it. It does not have to be called a "world record", "TG #1 score" is fine and more accurate.

    Definitely create a "just for fun" platform for joke tracks that does not count towards overall score ranking or ESI.
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  5. Intellivision Master's Avatar
    Other than novelty tracks, I agree 100%.

    I have two scores that for no reason are not WR's.

    Both tracks were newly created and deemed to be 'premium' but they fell through the cracks.

    I feel robbed.
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  6. datagod's Avatar
    I agree. First place is still first place.
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  7. Snowflake's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Intellivision Master
    Other than novelty tracks, I agree 100%.

    I have two scores that for no reason are not WR's.

    Both tracks were newly created and deemed to be 'premium' but they fell through the cracks.

    I feel robbed.
    Were you robbed or were you burgled? :)
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  8. MyOwnWorstEnemy's Avatar
    I support this petition. A 1st place score that is tracked on a Twin Galaxies leaderboard, regardless of regime and number of participants, is a Twin Galaxies World Record. Calling it something else is not logical or intuitive. It doesn't make sense that a time/score is acknowledged as 1st place on Twin Galaxies tracked leaderboard but not recognized as a Twin Galaxies record???

    1st Place on Track Leaderboard = +1 toward Twin Galaxies World Record Count

    I'm ok if the world record label was replaced by 1st Place Record Count or Twin Galaxies Record Count.
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    Updated 04-25-2018 at 05:20 PM by MyOwnWorstEnemy
  9. Desidious's Avatar
    Sign me the **** up.
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  10. CWK's Avatar
    Signed!!!!
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  11. Intellivision Master's Avatar
    Oh Ya .... I sign !!
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  12. spectre's Avatar
    I seem to recall the rules for premium tracks being put in place to weed out the nonesense scores so that those wouldn't get included in future Guinness Books.

    But no scores from TG was put in the book last time and it seems that they wont in the future, so why have this premium / non-premium debacle anymore?

    I sign this petition
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  13. kevinjamestobin's Avatar
    I sign this petition
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  14. gavv's Avatar
    I sign as well.
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  15. danman1234's Avatar
    Ah guess im the odd man out so to speak and disagree. If you want a WR for that you need to have someone else compete. Just creating 200 tracks and submitting a score to them shouldn't net you 200 "World Records" . That is the flaw of a "user created" system and im quite certain this must be how they are choosing to address it. Only thing I believe in is that this "rule" should apply everywhere and not just user created tracks. If there arent at least 2 (or 5 or 10 or whatever the number is) of people on the track then it just a #1 score and not a TG "World Record" score. Why shouid a TG track or an older track be different? Also trying to say "Well joke tracks really shouldnt count" makes no sense as who gets to decide what is a joke track and well a #1 score is a #1 score right? Come on TG apply the filter everywhere and lets really see what peoples WR/ESI/PSI/CSI counts are :D
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  16. bensweeneyonbass's Avatar
    @danman1234 Every scoreboard that's created anew, by a user or by TG, starts with zero scores on it right? If when someone submits the first score to a new TG founded track, would it not be a TG WR?

    Also ESI is evenly applied to all scoreboards. There's no issue there.
  17. bensweeneyonbass's Avatar
    To be clear, I'm not too concerned about my WR count. I'm more concerned with how it looks when people show up at TG to check out players and scores and notice the numbers don't add up, then they start asking why. When they get the answers (user-created tracks, tracks with fewer than 10 scores, other tracks where there is no visible trail like just asking TG to make it premium) it looks bad because it's inconsistent and subjective. Not everyone agrees with the 10 competitors thing. Not everyone agrees that you can just ask TG to make it premium and they will (during a period of time in the past).

    Just make it consistent and make all the numbers add up clearly.
  18. Intellivision Master's Avatar
    How about (for now) - making those tracks that have at least 2 scores being WR's.

    If there are two scores, it is no longer the case that someone created a track to add a WR (for that argument).

    Let's get those off the table right away !!
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  19. d3scride's Avatar
    I disagree with calling it a "WR" in any form when it's just not true in a lot of cases. If you really want some kind of distinction for the amount of 1st you have on here, just call it at a "TG Record" which is what is it.
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  20. Marcade's Avatar
    Real scenario example for "the powers that be" to seriously consider:

    Pre-TGSAP: Referee created song tracks/rules for Rockband. There were a few competitors. The #1 ranked score is given credit for a "TG WR". Referee quits under old management, and no other ref follows up to complete the project, as there are still MANY song tracks to add.

    Current day - TGSAP: I personally follow up on the completion/creation of the missing leftover tracks, (once the track creation system is sucessfully launched) using the SAME EXACT rule sets, as it was. Again, same amount of competitors, same involvement, but now different active gamers get involved this time around. (original and new tracks)

    So how is this instance any different? Why should TG referee created tracks differ in any way, compared to what I just cloned, simply to follow-up, to complete the library for?

    An exact game, exact port, with exact rules: some #1 ranked scores are labeled "TG WR's" within it, some are not.

    Again, where is the consistency?

    If this is not inequality in the scoreboard, then I really do not know what it is!
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