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07-04-2018 at 05:17 AM
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TG Rule Revisions

As some are aware, over the course of the last month to six or so, TG has fairly heavily modified their wording on many global rules. I don't know exactly when these changes occurred or who made these modifications, nor am I able to note where TG advised the community that changes were made.

These rule modifications may impact anyone who submits or adjudicates.

Users that have not recently read the rules are encouraged to do so.






@TWIN GALAXIES : Would you please consider advising the community in the future when rule changes are revised? Also, it may be a benefit to see a historical record as to what the previous rules were and why they were changed (much like TG's concept of being transparent by way of the dispute system being a documented record).

https://www.twingalaxies.com/help
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  1. Almighty Dreadlock's Avatar
    [LOL.] TG doesn't have a "concept of being transparent", come on!
  2. Barthax's Avatar
    I had a quick scan through the other day & noticed at least one "click here" text which had no link. To be honest the text on the help page has never been accurate in this era vs. its inherited history causing all manner of debates during TGSAP. The help page doesn't keep up with changes that have happened during TGSAP either (and is unlikely to ever do so with the number of niche mini-groups). There's no ideal to it but it would be very good to understand the revisions that this era's TG has made to the "concept of guidelines that might reflect what actually happens".

    Note: the page does well as an introduction to good practice. :)
    Updated 07-04-2018 at 05:38 AM by Barthax
  3. EVN's Avatar
    Do the rules actually say anywhere that thou *must* show thy PCB for arcade submissions? I can't find that anywhere. Seems to be a lot of chatter about that topic.
  4. Barthax's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by EVN
    Do the rules actually say anywhere that thou *must* show thy PCB for arcade submissions? I can't find that anywhere. Seems to be a lot of chatter about that topic.
    Most rules have never been formally written down in a single location. This is both good and bad which Jace understood when taking on TG. If all the rules are written down and enforced, there is no movement for change - people will use the written rule to batter people into conforming. If the rules are not written down, how is anyone suppose to learn what makes a good submission!

    TGSAP does the middle ground but, alas, it's down to the individual to go hunting for the actual written bits.

    As for PCBs: the principal behind showing the PCB is to confirm settings of game where hardware DIPs are used. As technology moved on and non-original formats evolved it also becomes a nice confimation that it is the original tech in there.

    So, if the old rule was "you must show PCB to confirm settings" and the game has no hardware DIPs: enforcing the old rule for a game with no hardware dips doesn't need the PCB shown. Boils down to common sense and trust - and many adjudicators are willing to go the trust route.
  5. francoisadt's Avatar
    Hi Barthax to show the PCB is not only for showing the dip settings but also
    to show that the PCB do contain the original ROMS.

    Show trust is not enough, sorry, PCB for Arcade games regardless of dip
    switch or not must show the PCB to verify originality.

    Regards
    Francois du Toit
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  6. Barthax's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by francoisadt
    Hi Barthax to show the PCB is not only for showing the dip settings but also
    to show that the PCB do contain the original ROMS.

    Show trust is not enough, sorry, PCB for Arcade games regardless of dip
    switch or not must show the PCB to verify originality.

    Regards
    Francois du Toit
    Hi Francois,

    A half-true point, I concede. :) To show that something looks like the original ROMs, yes. Nobody checks the ROMs' content. Trust is still required.

    Cheers,

    Pete
  7. Snowflake's Avatar
    I’ve noticed some contradicting rules that come from lack of updating. Even worse though updating sometimes go overboard and updates wrong. As an example references to refs are replaced with references to adjudicators but in making those changes other small but significant changes sneak in. Like deleting the word “not” or “except” makes a huge difference despite being a single word
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  8. Dave Hawksett's Avatar
    It would be helpful if any examples of contradictory or outdated rules could be posted here.
  9. EVN's Avatar
    How does this work with no discussion forum?

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  10. Max's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by EVN
    How does this work with no discussion forum?

    Your point is good. Having forums back for at least rules discussions (perhaps a members only section) would be a great help as mentioned many times by many people. With regret, while having fixed forums to refer to, a user who wasn't clear prior to entering TG to submit would still be faced with forums packed with disagreement without conclusion.

    I'm interested in the TG quote from INFO --> HELP --> What is TG?

    I'll strip out the extra and get to my point while quoting TG's full text below that.

    What I read: TG is a platform that provides structure. TG is a platform where video game rules are officially set.

    Should TG conclude to provide structure and officially set a rule (or rules depending on the issue/s at hand), it would eliminate a whole slew of questions, especially (but certainly not limited) to new users to the platform.

    Here is TG's full text:

    TwinGalaxies.com is comprehensive eSports social platform that facilitates a competitive community and provides official structure and parameters to video game playing achievement across all electronic gaming platforms. It is where competitive video game rules are officially set, player performances are objectively measured/adjudicated, and the statistical data of official records/rankings are logged, maintained and updated.
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  11. EVN's Avatar

    This rule is woefully inadequate. The Double Dragon dispute is a perfect example. A guy can spend 45 minutes in a 62 minute game using a repetitive tactic on one screen and we get literally zero input from any judge at TG. What's the point of this rule? It's completely subjective and unenforceable.


    This rule is also badly in need of revision. Some things in this hobby you buy to mod.

    -CRT technology is dying, people are RGB modding everything and using upscalers.
    -Optical media is failing and people are replacing drive mechanisms with flash devices to keep their consoles running but this is not allowed?
    -People are using all kinds of flash media for cartridge based systems but there's nothing in the rules to give the practice the nod.

    Mostly I just wish that TG would get more involved. Like in the recent discussion about seeing the boards at Funspot. Or when there's a dispute for something that is totally objective, why do we need to vote on a dispute where its blatantly clear what is going on? Capcom arcade scores ending in a 1 for example. Not everything needs to take forever to happen.

    Too often it feels like the same people are writing endless walls of text going back and forth that could be ended by someone from TG dropping a quick clarification or if the rules were written a bit more clearly.
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    Maybe what you need to do with this one is give a good guideline as to what is reasonable. Say if you spent 25% of the total game time leeching on one screen then its too much? 50% even? Give people something tangible so that this guideline means something.
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