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Posting Truth on the Bill Mitchell DK Score Dispute...

I apologize up front for the length of this but it's important for me to share all of this from my own experience and that of my friend David Race from a post he made yesterday regarding the story that Billy Mitchell gave about the alleged "authentic" 1.062 Million DK Game back in 2010 at Boomers here in South Florida and what the real facts are about this event and the absolute contradictions of Bill's story back then and what we have come to know now. In addition to David's assessment, there is the video footage he took of the Big Bang Event at the IVGHOF in 2010 that you can watch attached to this posting.

Carlos Pineiro and myself were also told by Billy in person a year and a half ago, when we were volunteering on his behalf, that a woman from Sebring, FL he knew had video footage and pictures of the whole Mortgage Brokers Event in Orlando when he did his 1.050 million game. He assured us that the pictures and video were "in the mail" being sent to him as evidence on his behalf.
I remember how excited me and Carlos were to hear this news, as at that point we believed him at his word to acquire these all important things to help his cause.
A month later we were still asking him where this footage and photography was.
And now a year and a half later, wouldn't you think that "evidence" like this would have surely been included in his 156 page "Evidence Package" that he sent to TG's attorney??

Their timeline of deflecting stories is running out.
The "Fake" and "Staged" Boomers video that Bill Mitchell and Robert Childs made on Youtube was always recognized by them as legitimate and real UNTIL the dispute took shape and then all of the sudden it was a staged "YouTube" moment.

Then the tapes were tampered with by Dwyane Richard, until the 2006 MTV Footage with Robert Mruzcak surfaced and showed the KOK 1.047 game with the wrong orientation that was at least 3 years predating anything to do with Richard. There is also footage of that same game being displayed at a event in the U.K. in 2005 that there is footage of.

Next it will be that he didn't know he was playing on emulated equipment. You may ask why I care so much about this?

As a legitimate Guinness and TG World Record Holder(Mario Bros.) I value the integrity of the scoreboard and know how hard it is to achieve a world record on these classic games.

OH Btw, on this footage of the 1.062 game at the IVGHOF, you can see the Donkey Kong game on the TV to the right of Bill. If you zoom in, pause, and move frame by frame, you will see the "3 Girders" starting the barrel board as exhibited on the other two games of footage(KOK 1.047 and Mortgage Brokers Convention 1.050). And Now from David Race...

" I remember hearing Billy say at the Big Bang in 2010, “There were scores of people, maybe as much as a hundred people at times behind ya. They had their cell phones and videos. So the word of it leaked out to some degree one way or another.”

( https://youtu.be/l-LRptUQwFE 5:30-5:40)

I remember being contacted by Billy(April 19, 2018) and Rob(April 20, 2018) about an investigative reporter named Dan Sweeney who I was told they were working with. I remember being contacted by Mr. Sweeney and I spoke with him on April 23, 2018. A few days earlier(April 20, 2018) he had put out an article titled, “Video game champ Billy Mitchell fighting back after being stripped of record scores”.

(https://www.sun-sentinel.com/…/fl-reg-mitchell-follow-20180…)

At the end of that piece, he wrote, “If you recall Mitchell’s record-setting run in 2010 at Boomers in Dania Beach, contact [email]dsweeney @Daniel _Sweeney.”

After the “Billy Mitchell Evidence Package” was made public I e-mailed Mr. Sweeney on September 19, 2019 and asked if anyone had come forward with recollections of Billy’s game at Boomers in 2010. I was told that he spent weeks trying to confirm Billy’s side of the story through independent sources, but was unable. He was also told that there was video out there but was never able to find it. He even reached out to Palace Entertainment, who owned Boomers at the time, but to no avail.

When someone says that there was up to a hundred people, some with cell phones and video, it is more than reasonable to ask for proof. Simply stating it, does not serve as proof. I have been told by Rob Childs on more than one occasion that he has tons of video and pictures of this event but that they were on one of his laptops or hard drives and doesn’t have the time to find them. I informed Billy of what Rob told me and that if true he needed to light a fire under him because if there was such a plethora of video evidence that could vindicate him, there certainly is NO excuse why it hasn’t surfaced. One cannot simply pass the buck and try to shift the blame or offer excuses when such evidence could be seen as vital to Billy’s defense. I can only surmise that anything Rob has must not be that important, otherwise, Billy would have been all over it.

As of right now, there is no independent evidence that Billy even played DK or DK Jr on July 30, 2010, and the fact there are staged/faked videos featuring Rob Childs and Todd Rogers doesn’t help in establishing such a claim. Some of the signed statements in the evidence package have already been shown to contain false statements. Given this, the statements signed in relation to the Boomers score should also be viewed with suspicion. Please remember if this dispute makes its way to court, all those witnesses may have to testify and be cross-examined under oath.

I have heard in conversations with Billy statements like, “Rob is incapable of lying” or that he doesn’t know how to lie, or words to that effect. I know that ALL of us are capable of lying, so I am not impressed when I hear something like that. I have heard both Rob and Billy offer to take a lie detector test. That is the reason why in my “Initial Assessment”, of September 2, 2018, I strongly suggested to Jerry Byrum, president of the IVGHOF, that “a polygraph examination be scheduled for each individual at different times and at different locations”.

Recently(October 8, 2019), I sent the following to Mr. Byrum, “I was wondering if the IVGHOF had decided to set up polygraph exams for Billy Mitchell and Rob Childs? The last thing I heard from Billy is that they were still willing. I was told that they knew someone who could conduct the tests. This, however, would be unacceptable. If done, the tests would have to be conducted separately and at different times with the other one not present or in contact with the other. The examiners also would have to be chosen by an independent 3rd party. I haven't heard anything related to my assessment and recommendation coming out of the IVGHOF since I presented it to you on September 2, 2018. Has a decision been made, or will it be made soon with respect to the concerns about Billy Mitchell?”

The response I received from Jerry was that the Hall of Fame has no intention of setting up such tests for Billy of anyone else and that he has not seen anything conclusive that would prove guilt.

This was part of my response, “I didn't ask you to adjudicate gameplay or scores. I asked if a decision had been made with respect to Billy Mitchell. Forgive me Jerry, but the impression you gave me on the phone and what was posted on the IVGHOF facebook page was that an independent investigation was being pursued in order to make a decision regarding Billy and others with respect to Hall of Fame eligibility. That is certainly within the scope and power of the IVGHOF. I mentioned the polygraph tests because both Billy and Rob have stated they would be willing to take one. In my initial assessment I made a suggestion that this should be done. Even before that I messaged you about the subject along with a link to sites where exams could be scheduled. You didn't respond with any concerns about this or anything mentioned in my assessment until now. It has been over a year since you acknowledged receipt of it. The last message I got from you was from the end of November where you said you thought it was time to issue a statement and press release. This was in response to me asking about the Billy Mitchell situation. Did I miss something? Did you issue a press release and statement regarding this matter? If so, I don't remember seeing it, or being notified.

As far as polygraphs are concerned, if the IVGHOF has no interest in this, I would be willing to schedule and pay for them myself. That would mean, however, the IVGHOF would not be involved and no input from the organization would be considered. I would be the one who determines where and when each one would be conducted along with the list of questions provided to the examiner(s).

Jerry, I know the IVGHOF was under no obligation to investigate anything. I am just wondering why you took the course you did? You contacted me and then posted that you were working with an independent 3rd party. Was this all just for appearances or show? After all, none of this had to be done.

With that being said, I still want to know the truth. I don't think Billy or Rob would ever take a polygraph test, unless of course, they had a say in how it was conducted and by who. I take any statement indicating their willingness to take a lie detector test as a meaningless gesture. Essentially, I am calling their bluff. I will be making a public statement echoing these sentiments.”

Yes, I am offering to pay for polygraph examinations for both Billy Mitchell and Rob Childs. If they are willing to take me up on this offer, it will be in accordance with MY terms, not their own. This means I will be the one scheduling everything, including the examiner, questions, time and place. The site of the exam(s) will be in Ohio within driving distance of where I live. A deposit from each individual would first be required to assure that they follow through and actually take the test. Only after they have completed their exams will the respective deposits be returned to them. I will be sending a text message to both parties informing them of my offer. Any telephone call from either party will be recorded. This notification will also be included in the aforementioned text message. Any call received after notification will be taken as implied consent.

In the EGM article titled “The Split-Screen Man” Josh Harmon relates his interaction with Richie Knucklez, “Despite his unwavering public support, Knucklez also told me that he hasn’t always been convinced of Mitchell’s innocence. Uncertainty crept in when Mitchell was unable to replicate his Boomers stunt—by matching the Donkey Kong and Donkey Kong Jr. scores in a single day—in the months following the verdict. ‘Since then he’s playing like crazy, and he cannot duplicate the one-day thing. He’s been at my place playing and he can’t do it again. So part of me kind of thinks that he cheated,’ Knucklez told me.

A heart-to-heart with Mitchell tempered those doubts. ‘I said, ‘Even if you tell me the truth, man, I swear to God I will keep it to my grave.’ He looked me in the eye and he almost got teary. He got choked up. He’s like, ‘Richie, you don’t believe in me.’ I go, ‘I believe in you. Just the evidence is too strong against you. Please be honest with me.’ And he looked at me and he said, ‘It’s the last time we’re going to talk about this.’ And he got choked up and he’s like, ‘You’re one of my best friends, if not my best friend. I would never let you risk your reputation on me going down.’

‘And that’s all I had to hear, because you think about it: He’s putting me out there as a shield, and if he goes down I go down, and I have a business. I make a living doing this. So he said, ‘I would never do that to you because your little girl would suffer if that happened to you.’

‘I thought about it. What kind of man would let me go down that hard?’

(https://egmnow.com/the-split-screen-man/)

Unfortunately, it is fairly common for certain people. Playing on one’s emotions and using what a person values most – a parent or child- is often employed in order to manipulate another. Think about how many times you have heard someone in real life or on TV or film swear that they were telling the truth, going even so far as to invoke the life of their mother or daughter, just to find out that they were lying the whole time. Such manipulative tactics have been referred to as “gaslighting”. The term derives its name from “Gaslight” the name of a play and film adaptations in the early 20th century.

The following is from a Psychology Today article, “As in the movie, the perpetrator often acts concerned and kind to dispel suspicions. Someone capable of persistent lying and manipulation is also quite capable of being charming and seductive. Often the relationship begins that way. When the gaslighting starts, you might even feel guilty for doubting a person you’ve come to trust. To further play with your mind, an abuser might offer evidence to show that you’re wrong or question your memory or senses. More justification and explanation, including expressions of love and flattery, are concocted to confuse you and reason away any discrepancies in the liar’s story. You get temporary reassurance, but you increasingly doubt your own senses, ignore your gut, and become more confused."

(https://www.psychologytoday.com/…/how-know-if-youre-victim-…)

Wikipedia begins its definition of “Gaslighting” this way, “Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation in which a person seeks to sow seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or in members of a targeted group, making them question their own memory, perception, and sanity. Using persistent denial, misdirection, contradiction, and lying, gaslighting involves attempts to destabilize the victim and delegitimize the victim’s belief.”

(https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting)

See also, “Dorpat, T. L. (1994). On the double whammy and gaslighting. Psychoanalysis & Psychotherapy, 11(1), 91-96.
Abstract
Uses illustrations taken from everyday life and the psychotherapy situation to describe the double whammy (DW), a type of gaslighting. In gaslighting, 1 individual by projective identification attempts to cause another individual to doubt his/her own judgments and perceptions. The basic pattern of the DW includes a verbal attack on the victim; the victim's response; and a gaslighting intervention in which the victimizer attacks the victim's judgments, perception, or reality-testing. A major and probably universal motive for the DW is the victimizer's need to regulate his/her feeling states by controlling interactions with other individuals. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2016 APA, all rights reserved)”
(https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1995-25157-001)

I now believe this whole drawn-out thing has been an elaborate exercise in gaslighting a certain section of the classic arcade community. I don’t take kindly to being lied to. If I believe there is good evidence that someone is trying to lead me on or manipulate me in such a way, I’m not going to put up with it. Sure, we are all susceptible, but after admitting it, do you just sit quiet or do you do something? Well, this is me doing something.

The more assurances I and others were given with respect to the games and events under discussion, the more questions it raised. When someone tells you that there was a video of the board being hooked up, but can offer no actual proof, not even incidental images or videos from 3rd party eventgoers, then one cannot be blamed for doubting and questioning the reliability of such statements. Even the so-called witnesses to the games in questions either can’t or won’t produce any pics or video they may have taken. If not cell phones, digital cameras were ubiquitous during the time spanning from 2004-2010. And to reiterate, Rob Childs has said that he has TONS of pictures and video, but hasn’t been able to produce anything except the staged videos, which only served as fire for this whole controverted dispute.

I assumed that when all of the witnesses came forth, we would have pictures and videos which they would provide. Has anyone seen a single picture of the Mortgage Brokers event with Billy Mitchell playing Donkey Kong? Please, I am willing to be corrected. I want to see it. Instead, all we have are written statements, most of which appear to have been crafted for the “witnesses” to sign. On top of that, when I discovered that false statements had been inserted concerning Billy’s perfect Pac-Man which certain people, including Billy himself, swore to be true, how seriously should any of this be taken, really? I believe anything forthcoming from Billy Mitchell warrants serious skepticism. I can no longer give Billy the benefit of the doubt, and he only has himself to blame for that."

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  1. Ninglendo's Avatar

    Thing that always puzzled me about the Mortgage Broker event is why would someone play Donkey Kong at a freakin' mortgage broker event? Am I the only one that can't make any sense of that? How would that even be a draw for mortgage brokers?

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  2. cashe18's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninglendo

    Thing that always puzzled me about the Mortgage Broker event is why would someone play Donkey Kong at a freakin' mortgage broker event? Am I the only one that can't make any sense of that? How would that even be a draw for mortgage brokers?

    Your question makes sense since that little detail keeps being left out. The theme for this mortgage brokers gathering event was Retro 80s. So they had Billy Mitchell playing an 80's arcade game. and the colors and clothing many wore was 80's style.

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  3. Ninglendo's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by cashe18


    Your question makes sense since that little detail keeps being left out. The theme for this mortgage brokers gathering event was Retro 80s. So they had Billy Mitchell playing an 80's arcade game. and the colors and clothing many wore was 80's style.

    Thanks for the info Carlos! I always wondered about that since day one.
  4. Snowflake's Avatar

    i'm not even saying this to be a jerk as your comment shows you know people dont tend to read long stuff. have you considered making a video, even of just audio. for long stuff i can just play it in the background and listen while doing other things. i think thats why some of the crazies get more notice than the logic people, cause the crazies are alawys making videos and videos are easy to listen to.

  5. Riatoju's Avatar

    I don't get why people like yourself and others get so hung up on Billy Mitchell for. It's as if you want some sort of Fame from it by giving your opinion about a guy who most people never heard of. He isn't that famous and no one in the real world gives a ****.

    I swear to God this just gets dumber ever year. You just piled on to it, it was already bad enough with the evidence package.

    Move on with your life and get something better to do. If you just ignore Billy he will go away. He's destroyed himself. Let's move on for fucks sakes.

  6. Snowflake's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Riatoju

    I don't get why people like yourself and others get so hung up on Billy Mitchell for. It's as if you want some sort of Fame from it by giving your opinion about a guy who most people never heard of. He isn't that famous and no one in the real world gives a ****.

    I swear to God this just gets dumber ever year. You just piled on to it, it was already bad enough with the evidence package.

    Move on with your life and get something better to do. If you just ignore Billy he will go away. He's destroyed himself. Let's move on for fucks sakes.


    say it to my face

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  7. Jace Hall's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Riatoju

    I don't get why people like yourself and others get so hung up on Billy Mitchell for. It's as if you want some sort of Fame from it by giving your opinion about a guy who most people never heard of. He isn't that famous and no one in the real world gives a ****.

    I swear to God this just gets dumber ever year. You just piled on to it, it was already bad enough with the evidence package.

    Move on with your life and get something better to do. If you just ignore Billy he will go away. He's destroyed himself. Let's move on for fucks sakes.

    I think that it is important to consider that there may be a lot of strong feelings built up throughout the community in regard to the matter and that there may be a strong desire by community members to finally express those feelings and thoughts. Many may not have been able to feel comfortable doing so until now.

    Since the entire matter has occurred over a very long period of time (10+ years) it is possible that many people could have been impacted in different ways. Some people may feel that they have been significantly hurt by the actions and circumstances of this matter at some point and have not felt safe or comfortable expressing themselves about it until recently.

    So there just may be a much needed emotional release for many participants. Having felt wronged and not ever being able to get a proper acknowledgement can lead to frustration. In many cases for people, part of the process of "moving on" is assisted by expressing thoughts and feelings and having those feelings acknowledged.

    If someone feels hurt by something, and they find the strength to calmly express their feelings about it, but then they are accused that the act of calmly expressing themselves somehow makes them a bad person (and simultaneously has the unconscious message that they are wrong for feeling how they feel) it can actually cause the person even more hurt and frustration.

    Just something to consider.


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  8. thegamer1185's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Jace Hall


    I think that it is important to consider that there may be a lot of strong feelings built up throughout the community in regard to the matter and that there may be a strong desire by community members to finally express those feelings and thoughts. Many may not have been able to feel comfortable doing so until now.

    Since the entire matter has occurred over a very long period of time (10+ years) it is possible that many people could have been impacted in different ways. Some people may feel that they have been significantly hurt by the actions and circumstances of this matter at some point and have not felt safe or comfortable expressing themselves about it until recently.

    So there just may be a much needed emotional release for many participants. Having felt wronged and not ever being able to get a proper acknowledgement can lead to frustration. In many cases for people, part of the process of "moving on" is assisted by expressing thoughts and feelings and having those feelings acknowledged.

    If someone feels hurt by something, and they find the strength to calmly express their feelings about it, but then they are accused that the act of calmly expressing themselves somehow makes them a bad person (and simultaneously has the unconscious message that they are wrong for feeling how they feel) it can actually cause the person even more hurt and frustration.

    Just something to consider.


    Have you been watching my marriage through a crystal ball and put it into words?? Now I'm sad.

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    P.S. I was laughing so hard when I wrote that my wife wanted to know what was so funny. I had her read Jace's comment and then my own. She shook her head, smirked and said it wasn't funny. I'm getting some tonight!

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  10. datagod's Avatar

    I get annoyed with the amount of anti-Billy piling on that is occurring. There seems to be a large number of people that believe that if Billy didn't get the accolades, they would have. They don't seem to understand that no matter what, Billy and Walter were a successful team that promoted Twin Galaxies and themselves as a brand. Other people who are excellent at Donkey Kong won't get a movie made about them unless they have charisma and are interesting to the audience. People didn't watch King of Kong because they heard there was a movie finally celebrating high scores. They watched it because somebody they know watched it and said "You gotta watch this movie. It is about video game fans (nerds) that are fighting over a high score on Donkey Kong. It is really interesting because of the people and the story."

    People who think they deserve the money Billy got for that movie are deluding themselves if they think they deserved the money instead.

    Charm. Charisma. Talent. Looks. Style. You gotta have it all.

  11. Marcade's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by datagod



    Charm. Charisma. Talent. Looks. Style. You gotta have it all.


    You forgot... Lie, manipulate, cheat, throw your friends under the bus, humiliate and embarrass yourself, and believe in your own BS, so others will buy into it too.

    ( Uh, its over, it was MAME! )

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    Quote Originally Posted by datagod

    I get annoyed with the amount of anti-Billy piling on that is occurring. There seems to be a large number of people that believe that if Billy didn't get the accolades, they would have. They don't seem to understand that no matter what, Billy and Walter were a successful team that promoted Twin Galaxies and themselves as a brand. Other people who are excellent at Donkey Kong won't get a movie made about them unless they have charisma and are interesting to the audience. People didn't watch King of Kong because they heard there was a movie finally celebrating high scores. They watched it because somebody they know watched it and said "You gotta watch this movie. It is about video game fans (nerds) that are fighting over a high score on Donkey Kong. It is really interesting because of the people and the story."

    People who think they deserve the money Billy got for that movie are deluding themselves if they think they deserved the money instead.

    Charm. Charisma. Talent. Looks. Style. You gotta have it all.

    What???? His charm is used for deception, his charisma is his selfish ego, his talents has been called out even by his own followers, looks shouldn't matter (Honey Boo-Boo and any other reality show at this point proves that), and his style is outdated but to be fair, it is his own. So he has style, 4 more to go.

    And he absolutely "stole" accolades from someone else. If it wasn't him, it would have been someone else. If someone takes and exam, aces it because they cheated and gets the job over a guy who got an A- and doesn't get the job, he stole the legit guys accolades. Doesn't even matter if it was 1 year 5 years, 10 years down the road before it is known he cheated. That fame/money is gone for that individual who did it right and it all ends up in the hands of the guy who did it wrong. That's not delusion, that's a fact. The only cold hard fact is that nothing anyone can do about it except stop him from doing it again.

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  13. Snowflake's Avatar

    datagod i think is partially correct as far as promotion

    Yes, someone else would've been able to brag about "first to whatever' and got in the books and have that accolade

    but think of how many people get DK records after billy that came with no money. Look how many people were first to great scores in other games, and did nothing with it

    Its completely possible, that if it wasnt for walter and billy over promoting donkey kong and billy that sure, someone else would've gotten credit within the walls of tg, but no movie would be made, no appearance feeds.

    Billy didnt get his appearance fees for his scores, he got them for networking and overpromotion. i mean he used the scores yes, but not the scores alone. the scores alone dont do it. so as far as that goes, i agree, someone else getting credit for doing it first may not have been able to leverage those accolades into the same opportunities.

    celebrity status is far more about promotion and far less about skill. people are still right to feel hurt though, because people were led to believe that high scores would someday benefit them too. it's almost like a pyramid scheme. live the dream through billy. see the fame and fortune (life changing money) he gets from kok, and dream you'll get it one day too. "work is for people that dont play video games" encouraged that delusion

    so are some billy haters delusional? you bet they are. but billy and walter encouraged the delusion, and now they're hurt that they know the delusion was just that, a delusion.

    if you wanna get money off games, go play fortnight. the idea that donkey kong is a path to fame was a false idea, that only worked through the circular logic of people believing it, falling for it, and paying to go to events that promoted billy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake



    so are some billy haters delusional? you bet they are. but billy and walter encouraged the delusion, and now they're hurt that they know the delusion was just that, a delusion.


    And THAT, is why I find this entire charade so comical and amusing.

    We all know EXACTLY WHO they are. Beyond obsessed with every little, tiny detail of his past and present actions !


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    Quote Originally Posted by datagod

    I get annoyed with the amount of anti-Billy piling on that is occurring.

    I get annoyed with all the negative things Billy has done. He's done a lot to hurt a lot of people. the anti-Billy piling is cathartic for some, and I don't think there is anything wrong with it. It'd be one thing if he made a mistake, hurt a bunch of people, and owned it and apologized. Instead he keeps doubling down. Personally, I don't feel like I'd be rich and famous if Billy hadn't lied, I just don't like cheaters, and nothing I say about the man will be as bad as the things he directly did and continues to do to individuals and the community with his antics.

    I get that he's your friend and all, but step off your soapbox already and let members of the community process their anger towards the guy however they choose to.

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  16. datagod's Avatar

    So my commenting that I find something annoying is preventing people from speaking? How weak are these people? And that isn't a soap box. It is 24 of beer. I am Canadian. Want one? What do you drink?

  17. datagod's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Marcade
    You forgot... Lie, manipulate, cheat

    That could be covered by charm, Rosa.

    Thanks for being Antisocial!

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  18. Marcade's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by datagod


    That could be covered by charm, Rosa.

    Thanks for being Antisocial!


    I am Brandon. Get it right next time! :P

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    Updated 10-14-2019 at 08:58 PM by Marcade
  19. Snowflake's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by datagod

    So my commenting that I find something annoying is preventing people from speaking? How weak are these people? And that isn't a soap box. It is 24 of beer. I am Canadian. Want one? What do you drink?

    Canadian beer sucks

  20. Marcade's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake


    Canadian beer sucks


    Yal just Suckin' on a Molson dry keg!

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