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07-05-2020 at 03:11 PM
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Rodrigo Lopes, One of the Greatest.

Most of us here know Rodrigo and are aware of his story. To those who don't know him here is a very short recount.

He is a player from Brazil who joined Twin Galaxies 20 years ago, he had recently reached #1 place in the ESI leaderboard and he was also #1 in the number of World Records leaderboard. He had hundreds of scores approved in the referee era and thousands approved by the community in the TGSAP era.

A dispute was raised in one of his Zelda scores from the referee era from 15 years ago, because it was suspected of cheating. There was never an official veredict on wether he cheated or not, but based on the examples provided by experts, most people, including myself, would believe that he did cheat.

So that happened, a young human made a big mistake and cheated, should he be punished? Yes absolutely, he did something he definitely shouldn't have done.

How hard? By completely eliminating him along with the thousands of scores that the community reviewed and were never even suspected and never allowing him to return? Seems too hard to me. He wasn't just some idiot stealing footage from youtube and submitting it under his name just to get on a Walter Day's card like that guy from Israel that was banned two weeks after he joined. Rodrigo was the most dedicated player on this site and now he and all of his acomplhisments have been completely erased from the site because of one mistake.

It really bothered me to see him banned and all of his scores dissapear, like Roger said it was the first time my WR count went up but I didn't feel good about it. Every time I would get overall 1st place on a game I would think "I just hope Rodrigo doesn't pick this game up" because I knew he would quickly beat me. And even his inaugural scores were hard to beat, he would try hard even if there was no score to beat.

In my opinion, in trying to punish one person, this situationt went too far and ended up punishing the whole community and the site itself, hundreds of hours put by the community to review thousands of scores should count for something. There has to be a path for redemption for a player like Rodrigo and I think the removal of 20 years of records is more than enough punishment for one, if not the greatest player to have ever been a member on this site.

Rodrigo should be allowed to come back with a new slate and be allowed to submit again but only new scores, meaning, he can't just resubmit the same videos he has for new records, he would have to prove every time that he is getting them live. Or at least his TGSAP scores should be reinstated because they were approved by the community.

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  1. thegamer1185's Avatar

    I had the same mind set as you, his TGSAP scores should have remained. They are still in the system BTW, just not showing or being used to calculate. At least they were late last year because my Hyrule Warriors scores showed 3 records when Mathew and I are the only other ones to submit to the game other the Rodrigo. I agree that the TGSAP system is the now system, everything is transparent and can be disputed. His older scores should have been removed, and if he didn't cheat all he had to do was upload his run. His story of not being able to convert it or whatever didn't fly at all.

    It's unfortunate, but I'd be willing to give ANYONE a second chance by having a completely clean slate. By that I mean, he is allowed back but has to resubmit every single score...nothing gets reinstated that remains in the system.

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  2. Pixe Sukola's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by thegamer1185

    His story of not being able to convert it or whatever didn't fly at all.


    Yes, I don't believe that story either, I'm not sure but I think he did cheat, and should be punished like he has.


    Quote Originally Posted by thegamer1185

    It's unfortunate, but I'd be willing to give ANYONE a second chance by having a completely clean slate. By that I mean, he is allowed back but has to resubmit every single score...nothing gets reinstated that remains in the system.

    I'm being harsher than you here, I say he can't just resubmit, he has to play the games again.

  3. datagod's Avatar

    If memory serves he was given a chance to show how he achieved that score. He said over and over that he did not cheat that it was legit. He was also given a chance to come clean and admit that he cheated. If he came clean his punishment would not have been as severe. so he made a mistake 15 years ago when he was young. But now that he is a grown up how come he could not admit that mistake?.

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  4. Pixe Sukola's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by datagod

    If memory serves he was given a chance to show how he achieved that score. He said over and over that he did not cheat that it was legit. He was also given a chance to come clean and admit that he cheated. If he came clean his punishment would not have been as severe. so he made a mistake 15 years ago when he was young. But now that he is a grown up how come he could not admit that mistake?.

    I agree, he cheated and should be punished.

    Now, is the removal of 7000 scores not enough? Is a ban for life the only solution?

  5. Snowflake's Avatar

    people who cheated in old tg and were caught old tg, were given a second chance by jace. people who cheated in old tg but were caught now were not given a second chance. I can definitely see not banning anyone for pre-jace cheating. defnitely strip the tgsap scores since if one was cheated we cant trsut any. the tgsap scores are tougher. i hear ya, they were adjudicated and public. but we also know how many blind voters there are that do things on faith, now we know that faith was misplaced.


    it it was up to me -- and its not -- i'd have all his s cores removed, but also allow him to resubmit. if the scores pass again under the no doubt tougher scruity he'd get, fine and good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

    it it was up to me -- and its not -- i'd have all his s cores removed, but also allow him to resubmit. if the scores pass again under the no doubt tougher scruity he'd get, fine and good

    I completely agree, to me this would be the best way to deal with it too. Punish him severely for cheating by removing 20 years of scores and sending him from 1st to last place in all leaderboards, but don't completely erase him from the site. Don't eliminate such a great and competitive gamer from the competition.

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  7. thegamer1185's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by datagod

    If memory serves he was given a chance to show how he achieved that score. He said over and over that he did not cheat that it was legit. He was also given a chance to come clean and admit that he cheated. If he came clean his punishment would not have been as severe. so he made a mistake 15 years ago when he was young. But now that he is a grown up how come he could not admit that mistake?.

    Ask Billy Mitchell about that and there's your answer.

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  8. swaggers's Avatar

    He was given quite a few opportunities to come clean and kept saying he had the tapes. He was given an ultimatum which he ignored and so all his scores were removed. I back that play. I would not want a cheater who hasn't even come clean to be allowed to start submitting new scores.

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  9. Fly's Avatar

    I don't want cheaters around here and I have issues with people that would allow cheaters to come back.

    Plain and simple.

    Fly

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  10. Pixe Sukola's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by swaggers

    He was given quite a few opportunities to come clean and kept saying he had the tapes. He was given an ultimatum which he ignored and so all his scores were removed. I back that play. I would not want a cheater who hasn't even come clean to be allowed to start submitting new scores.

    And I respect your opinion of not wanting him back.

    Even convicted criminials that never admited their guilt are allowed to return to society once they have recieved their punishment. I think Rodrigo's punishment is the removal of all of his scores and he should be allowed to compete here again.

  11. thegamer1185's Avatar

    I respect these comments and completely understand them. If it was still the old TG way absolutely no chance to come back. With the new TGSAP system and how it's set up, it is the only thing swaying me being Okay with the possibility.

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  12. swaggers's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Pixe Sukola

    And I respect your opinion of not wanting him back.

    Even convicted criminials that never admited their guilt are allowed to return to society once they have recieved their punishment. I think Rodrigo's punishment is the removal of all of his scores and he should be allowed to compete here again.

    Not those that get the death penalty. Just saying.

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  13. Pixe Sukola's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by swaggers


    Not those that get the death penalty. Just saying.

    I agree, some players should never be allowed to be back, like Billy for example, he is even suing TG when he clearly cheated. If Rodrigo behaves the same way saying he will sue TG, etc, then I would never make a case for his return.

    Following the analogy, Rodrigo does not deserve the death penalty for what he did.

  14. Marcade's Avatar

    No way, Jose. You cheat, you dont come clean, you get no 2nd chance.

    I dont care if you had 1 WR or 10,000 WR.

    We dont F around in this place...

    Cheaters justice...

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  15. datagod's Avatar

    He did not admit to cheating. He denied it over and over and over. He was given a chance to come clean. His punishment would not be full banishment forever. All he had to do was admit he cheated. But he kept to his story. The speed run community said his score was impossible -- people who had been trying and playing for YEARS. They were not "just a bunch of jealous haters". They have the skills and the talent to prove it.

    Rodrigo was given a chance to NOT be banned forever. Instead he taunted and ridiculed. It is HIS behaviour that lead to his permanent banishment.

    If he came forward with a video statement admitting guilt and pleading for mercy to be allowed to submit again under TGSAP, I would be willing to listen.

    Otherwise no, forever no.

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  16. datagod's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by thegamer1185

    Ask Billy Mitchell about that and there's your answer.

    I asked him and he said "That guy? He is a tard of epic proportions".

    So I guess that is what you were hoping for? I am still a bit confused why you brought him into the conversation.

    Thanks for being anti-social!

  17. Pixe Sukola's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by datagod

    He did not admit to cheating. He denied it over and over and over. He was given a chance to come clean. His punishment would not be full banishment forever. All he had to do was admit he cheated. But he kept to his story. The speed run community said his score was impossible -- people who had been trying and playing for YEARS. They were not "just a bunch of jealous haters". They have the skills and the talent to prove it.

    Rodrigo was given a chance to NOT be banned forever. Instead he taunted and ridiculed. It is HIS behaviour that lead to his permanent banishment.


    Just to be completely clear, I never called the people providing the evidence for the case "jealous haters", like I said, they were experts and I respect and believe their opinion. I think you used this phrase because maybe that was something Rodrigo said, he called some people haters, I remember that and to be completely fair to him, at least one or two of all the people wanting his ban could have easily been just haters, it is statistically imposible that everybody involved in the dispute was knowledegable and concerned about the Zelda score itself. Were the most important people in the case, haters? Absolutely not, they were experts willing to help TG.

    Quote Originally Posted by datagod

    If he came forward with a video statement admitting guilt and pleading for mercy to be allowed to submit again under TGSAP, I would be willing to listen.

    Otherwise no, forever no.

    This is what I'm talking about, being open.

    I completely agree with you, in order to return he would have to admit his guilt.

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  18. thegamer1185's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by datagod

    Thanks for being anti-social!

    Must be some "cool" phrase going around?? How the hell am I being anti-social? This comment doesn't even make sense. Billy Mitchell of all people would know why one would never admit they cheated on a score was the point of that comment...because he got caught, won't admit it, sticking to his guns, calling us names, etc.

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  19. Desidious's Avatar

    He was shady until the end. That's why I don't want him back. We are supposed grow and learn from our past and our mistakes. He didn't.

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  20. datagod's Avatar

    When I said "jealous haters" I was paraphrasing what Rodrigo said about his enemies.

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