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07-05-2020 at 03:11 PM
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Rodrigo Lopes, One of the Greatest.

Most of us here know Rodrigo and are aware of his story. To those who don't know him here is a very short recount.

He is a player from Brazil who joined Twin Galaxies 20 years ago, he had recently reached #1 place in the ESI leaderboard and he was also #1 in the number of World Records leaderboard. He had hundreds of scores approved in the referee era and thousands approved by the community in the TGSAP era.

A dispute was raised in one of his Zelda scores from the referee era from 15 years ago, because it was suspected of cheating. There was never an official veredict on wether he cheated or not, but based on the examples provided by experts, most people, including myself, would believe that he did cheat.

So that happened, a young human made a big mistake and cheated, should he be punished? Yes absolutely, he did something he definitely shouldn't have done.

How hard? By completely eliminating him along with the thousands of scores that the community reviewed and were never even suspected and never allowing him to return? Seems too hard to me. He wasn't just some idiot stealing footage from youtube and submitting it under his name just to get on a Walter Day's card like that guy from Israel that was banned two weeks after he joined. Rodrigo was the most dedicated player on this site and now he and all of his acomplhisments have been completely erased from the site because of one mistake.

It really bothered me to see him banned and all of his scores dissapear, like Roger said it was the first time my WR count went up but I didn't feel good about it. Every time I would get overall 1st place on a game I would think "I just hope Rodrigo doesn't pick this game up" because I knew he would quickly beat me. And even his inaugural scores were hard to beat, he would try hard even if there was no score to beat.

In my opinion, in trying to punish one person, this situationt went too far and ended up punishing the whole community and the site itself, hundreds of hours put by the community to review thousands of scores should count for something. There has to be a path for redemption for a player like Rodrigo and I think the removal of 20 years of records is more than enough punishment for one, if not the greatest player to have ever been a member on this site.

Rodrigo should be allowed to come back with a new slate and be allowed to submit again but only new scores, meaning, he can't just resubmit the same videos he has for new records, he would have to prove every time that he is getting them live. Or at least his TGSAP scores should be reinstated because they were approved by the community.

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  1. Pixe Sukola's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by kernzyp

    It's still tough!
    If only ONE one his scores is faulty...?
    I don't know what to think. I've had a score or two negatively voted upon.
    I'm outta the loop...

    The score that was disputed was from 15 years ago, still pre-TGSAP, so 1 referee reviewed id and put it on the leaderboard and I agree with you, if one is shady there is no way of knowing if any of those were legit. I agree in removing all of his pre-TGSAP ones, but not the ones that the community, you and I included, reviewed and approved.

    I'm absolutely sure that his Super Mario Kart scores are good, I'm an expert in that game and the learning curve he showed when he picked up the game completely matched with a gamer of his caliber, so I have a problem with those being gone for example, all of his scores for TrackMania can be confirmed in the official game leaderboards so we aboslutely know that those are good too.

    The TGSAP scores should be reinstated at least out of respect for the hundred of hours of work that the community spent reviewing them.

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  2. Snowflake's Avatar

    Daniel, we're just all members, if you hope to make a convincing argument to jace i suggest looking into the banning of donkeykonggenius corey chambers. he falsified info -- claimed he cheated, admited it, even though its possible his admission was a lie. he was banne for the action but scores not stripped. i strongly feel corey's s core should be stripped. there is an inconsiency here. don was banned as a side effect of a side effect of how angry he was over corey not being stripped.

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  3. Fly's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Pixe Sukola

    The TGSAP scores should be reinstated at least out of respect for the hundred of hours of work that the community spent reviewing them.

    Seems a bit selfish.

    Fly

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  4. Lauren Tyler's Avatar

    If I may offer my views?

    A dispute was opened on Rodrigo's speed run because of the possibility that he may have cheated. There was a discussion about it that went on for a while. At the same time, we asked Rodrigo to provide us with the videos to prove that he wasn't cheating.

    Eventually, Rodrigo came into the topic and made excuses about why he couldn't convert the videos at all (it was too much time, he didn't have the equipment, etc.) Later, he became very hostile and started accusing people of being 'jealous haters.' For someone who's supposed to be in his thirties (from what I've heard anyway,) he was acting very immature by calling us names like this. He also proceeded to whine and rant about how he wanted things to go, what kind of punishment he was entitled to, etc.

    All the while, he continued to constantly upload scores from mobile games nonstop. If he had time to upload scores from various mobile games (in large amounts no less,) then odds are he had time to show us footage of the tapes.

    He later provided us, if I recall correctly, with a brief clip as well as a bin of video cassette tapes which he claimed had the records on them, but refused to provide them unless some kind of condition was met. Never mind the fact setting a condition like that was questionable enough, there was no way of knowing for certain if those were the actual video tapes or if those even were his.

    In the end, the administration ruled that the dispute was valid, and not only did they remove that time, but they also stripped him of all his records and banned him from the website. This was not just because of what happened, but was because of several factors, which I will list below:

    1. He was determined to have been cheating.

    2. He acted in a very immature and suspicious manner by whining about the whole thing and calling us names while trying to make excuses and conditions about providing the videos.

    3. On the topic of 'not having the equipment' someone told him he could prop up his cell phone and record the footage that way, but he refused. Likewise, he claimed not to have enough time to film it, but he had time to upload countless (for want of a better term here) scores for various mobile games. These excuses lead me to believe that he had something to hide.

    4. There is also the fact that he was a former referee for Twin Galaxies. While I am not entirely saying that this is the case, his former position may have given the administration additional grounds to ban him because his conduct was detrimental to the image of Twin Galaxies.

    Rodrigo had the opportunity to come clean about it, yet all he did was make up endless excuses and whine nonstop. He acted immature, and now he has to take the consequences of his actions.

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  5. Tompa's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Tyler

    He later provided us, if I recall correctly, with a brief clip as well as a bin of video cassette tapes which he claimed had the records on them, but refused to provide them unless some kind of condition was met.


    And in the clips he also showed that he had the full run already encoded and put on his computer. Though only showed the very beginning, of him getting the sword, and the very end, which we had already seen. So there was literally no reason to upload/show the whole thing, other than just mocking everyone and being an *******.

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  6. Lauren Tyler's Avatar

    That only added more justification to ban him if you ask me.

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  7. Snowflake's Avatar

    ooo ooo i got a compromise. what about he gets reinstated the moment after he uplaods the run proving hes innocnet like he promised he would lol

    to defend glen's statement. While sure he still submits, and acting like old games are automaticaly betetr than new is wrong, i dont think anyone can deny zelda is more heavily competed on than angry birds. now look, i dont feel i have to watch my words too much cause everyone knows how i feel about treating everyting equal. i'm not saying zelda is better or more important than angry birds, i'm merely saying it receives more competion. so yes, it is suspicous that the moment video proof beocmes needed, he, and so many former refs, magically retreat form the high profile games they were once masters of

    lets see the video he claims he has and said he would uplaod right after being banned. until then, in my opinoin, hes just as credibile as all these other refs that mysteriously lost thier skills in the days of video evicence (not to be confused with the refs that kept their skills in the days of video of evidence.).

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  8. bensweeneyonbass's Avatar

    Necro this old thing - does anyone know where we can find a link to the original Rodrigo dispute? I can't find it.

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  9. Snowflake's Avatar

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/207162-Dispute-Angela-Stefanski-NES-FAMICOM-DISK-The-Legend-of-Zelda-NTSC-Fastest-Completion-1st-Quest-Player-Rodrigo-Lopes-Score-31-37-0/page41


    if we're gonna necro this its worth pointing out rodrigo was gonna shame his haters by providing proof after his ban, i think plenty of time has passed. its worth remember how many former tg refs use such bluffs. i hope people see the pattern that these guys all followed the same formula and it never works again. "why would he say that if its not true he knows he'll get caught". cause thats how bluffs work. "why would he bet it all if he knows he's guilty he must know something you dont" again thats how bluffs work. ive seen one former tg ref after another do incredibly stupid bluffs, that even more stupid people fall for. gotta stop falling for all bluffs. "why would he do someting so stupid if he really is gulity" i'll tell you why cause he knows someone will ask exactly that and he thinks we're all even more stupid and will fall for such bluffs.

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  10. Barthax's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by bensweeneyonbass

    Necro this old thing - does anyone know where we can find a link to the original Rodrigo dispute? I can't find it.


    Archive > Submission Archive > Accepted Disputes, then use the search for Rodrigo.

    Final page: https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/207162-Dispute-Angela-Stefanski-NES-FAMICOM-DISK-The-Legend-of-Zelda-NTSC-Fastest-Completion-1st-Quest-Player-Rodrigo-Lopes-Score-31-37-0/page11?highlight=rodrigo+lopes

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  11. bensweeneyonbass's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Barthax

    Archive > Submission Archive > Accepted Disputes, then use the search for Rodrigo.

    Thanks! I was looking in the wrong archive.

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  12. bensweeneyonbass's Avatar

    Anyway this all came up again because of a new high score site called lvlupscore.com where Rodrigo is now very very active and submitting a massive backlog of MAME scores. I got notified that one of his beat mine over there, and, well, the defense that Rodrigo gives is very "Rodrigo." https://www.lvlupscore.com/score/79288

  13. Snowflake's Avatar

    if your question was also the more general "how to find" i used duckduckgo. TG search feature isnt always the best and i can sometimes find i want quicker using other search engines.

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  14. Snowflake's Avatar

    lol and i see a new bluff. he actualy has the nerve, when his score is questioned to cite twin galaxies as vouching for him and acknolwedging his score as legit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! still bluffing still hoping people are too stupid to check out his claims.

  15. Barthax's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by bensweeneyonbass

    Anyway this all came up again because of a new high score site called lvlupscore.com where Rodrigo is now very very active and submitting a massive backlog of MAME scores. I got notified that one of his beat mine over there, and, well, the defense that Rodrigo gives is very "Rodrigo." https://www.lvlupscore.com/score/79288

    It's a new site & the backlog of evidence he has is massive - just like if I trusted YouTube to not boot my account for copyright strikes ... I could do the same... still am doing the same here.

    As to what's said, the only thing I read there: his phrasing isn't perfect... but then he speaks multiple languages and English can be considered "backward" compared with many languages... The file was requested, the file was supplied. So what if it's not there now?

    His MARP subs and TGSAP scores are still accessible.

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  16. Snowflake's Avatar

    [QUOTE=Barthax;bt68637]


    It's a new site & the backlog of evidence he has is massive - just like if I trusted YouTube to not boot my account for copyright strikes ... I could do the same... still am doing the same here.

    As to what's said, the only thing I read there: his phrasing isn't perfect... but then he speaks multiple languages and English can be considered "backward" compared with many languages... The file was requested, the file was supplied. So what if it's not there now?

    His MARP subs and TGSAP scores are still accessible.

    [/QUOTE]


    You're correct that TGSAP scores are still accessible, but for those who want to access them its worth pointing out they're hidden. If people want to check to see the TGSAP review they'll have to click on "view all submissoins" since the score is removed now it doesnt show up the normal way, but since it was accepted (and i'm assuming so as to not hurt peoples good faith cred) its not moved to the rejected archives, so its now accepted while simultaneoulsy not on the scoreboard


    The score in question does not appear to have been TGSAP accepted so TG isnt much of a source for him there, i have no idea if it was ref accepted or not, but this candy crush example does show people how they can access his TG verification of his valid scores if they choose to do so.

  17. swaggers's Avatar

    Is this new a site a rebrand of Highscore.com? I've got scores on this new site and I've never submitted there.

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  18. bensweeneyonbass's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Barthax


    It's a new site & the backlog of evidence he has is massive - just like if I trusted YouTube to not boot my account for copyright strikes ... I could do the same... still am doing the same here.

    As to what's said, the only thing I read there: his phrasing isn't perfect... but then he speaks multiple languages and English can be considered "backward" compared with many languages... The file was requested, the file was supplied. So what if it's not there now?

    His MARP subs and TGSAP scores are still accessible.


    The issue of what settings were played on was never resolved in the comments on that. I wanted to do my own analysis of the INP but it is no longer available. That's the 'so what' and I hope you understand. Also as Snowflake mentioned he uses MARP and TG as a means to vouch for his legitimacy but that score is not listed at MARP. I'm currently looking through the TG INP archive to see if it's in there.

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  19. bensweeneyonbass's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by swaggers

    Is this new a site a rebrand of Highscore.com? I've got scores on this new site and I've never submitted there.

    It is in a way, yes, largely driven by the primary contributors of highscore . com

    I know for sure they imported the data from that site. All mine is there too.

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  20. Almighty Dreadlock's Avatar

    Cheating is a deliberate act. Calling it "a mistake" is the most pathetic kind of excuse making. Mr Lopes did not make "a mistake", he deliberately claimed credit which he did not deserve.

    Cheats who confess without having to be forced deserve mercy. Cheats who confess due to external force deserve no mercy. Cheats who don't confess deserve to be erased from history. Mr Lopes falls into the latter category.

    TG used to be a complete joke, with so many of its scoreboards once dominated by cheats. Giving a cheat further opportunities to get onto its scoreboards would make TG a joke, again. Unless you want TG to resume its joke status, you will not entertain the notion of allowing Mr Lopes to reactivate his account.

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