Arcade - Giga Wing Generations - Highest Score - Single Player - 11,428,519,449,718,962,750 - Eric O'Brien

Highest Score - Single Player
Score Track	https://www.twingalaxies.com/scores.php?scores=223921
Rules	Life Stock : 2Bomb Stock : 2You may use either of the 4 available ships.This is a Single Player only track, however 1P side or 2P side can be used at your choice.You may play this on a cabinet or a PC with an input method of your choice.You may also record the screen with direct capture, a program like OBS/Fraps, or a physical camera, whichever is available to you; as long as the quality is sufficientThe game must run at full speed at nearly all times.No continues allowed, one credit only.
Submission Message	ALL With keyboard cam. New highest score with video

Keyboard on an arcade submission wow
Thoughts @John73

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Originally Posted by Barra

Keyboard on an arcade submission wow
Thoughts @John73

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Cough, Cough, Andrew. How's that different than when a keyboard score on DK was still considered the best DK score ever?
Just asking. But I get what you mean.

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Originally Posted by lexmark

Cough, Cough, Andrew. How's that different than when a keyboard score on DK was still considered the best DK score ever?
Just asking. But I get what you mean.

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If I were to vote, this would be a reject. Lest a very good argument could be made as to why it's legit.

Just saying.

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You guys did read the track rules right?

I am abstaining for now
Did not show Arcade - Giga Wing Generations PCB , whether a player can use PC keyboard or not I am ok with, this is not easy, but not showing PCB on the same video which would take maybe from 1 to max 2 minutes to show on the video matters to me when Adjudicating a Arcade Game I do not know if it is from PS 2,
before Voting yes accepted

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Arcade - Giga Wing Generations - Highest Score - Single Player - 11,428,519,449,718,962,750
11,428,519,449,718,962,750
11,428,519,449,718,962,750 Perfect match All Good A Ok
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Game starts at 21:07 left on the video Attachment 91787
Game settings begin at 21:09 left on the video Attachment 91786
Arcade - Giga Wing Generations - Highest Score - Single Player - 11,428,519,449,718,962,750 Final Score is at :40 left on the video Attachment 91790Attachment 91789 Attachment 91788


Rules
Life Stock : 2
Bomb Stock : 2
You may use either of the 4 available ships.
This is a Single Player only track, however 1P side or 2P side can be used at your choice.

You may play this on a cabinet or a PC with an input method of your choice.
You may also record the screen with direct capture, a program like OBS/Fraps, or a physical camera, whichever is available to you; as long as the quality is sufficient
The game must run at full speed at nearly all times.

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Originally Posted by JJT_Defender

I am abstaining for now
Did not show Arcade - Giga Wing Generations PCB , whether a player can use PC keyboard or not I am ok with, this is not easy, but not showing PCB on the same video which would take maybe from 1 to max 2 minutes to show on the video matters to me when Adjudicating a Arcade Game I do not know if it is from PS 2,
before Voting yes accepted

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Read the rules of the track, this is the Arcade version of the game, as the PS2 port does not have a TATE screen setting. The game also doesnt have a real PCB as it's a Taito Type-X game, meaning it uses PC hardware similar to a Neo-Geo.

Please actually read before you tell me the score is apparently real or not

Is this a PC download or a Arcade

GigaWing Generations: Arcade Game 2015 - DOWNLOAD! - Arcade ...
https://www.arcadepunks.com/.../giga...2015-download-...
Jan 18, 2019 - GigaWing Generations: Arcade Game 2015 – DOWNLOAD! ... It has no options menu and each setting has had to be inputted painstakingly to ...


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A World Record Eric

Highest Score - Single Player
FOUNDED BY: Derek ; Pearl2hu ;
View Rules
Rank
1
Eric O'Brien
Date Submitted: 2019-07-17
Percent: 100.00%
Verification Method: IN PROCESS
Status: Vote
Points
11,428,519,449,718,962,750
Rank
2
Eric O'Brien
Date Submitted: 2019-07-16
Percent: 75.62%
Verification Method: IN PROCESS
Status: Vote
Points
8,642,352,799,098,792,960


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giga_Wing_Generations
Gameplay continues from Giga Wing and Giga Wing 2. Generations has no characters to pilot the 4 selectable planes and no storyline. Each ship varies in ability more drastically than they do in previous Giga Wing games including flight speed and shot type. The player now selects which stage (out of two) to tackle first (in previous Giga Wings the plane choice affected the starting stage). The distinctive Reflect Force attack remains a major part of gameplay, though the new Reflect Laser from Giga Wing 2 was removed for Generations. A major addition is the ability to gain additional points from defeating enemies at close range. Generations is also the first and only Takumi scrolling shooter to use a vertically-oriented monitor (with standard player-controlled vertical scrolling).


In 2-player mode, both player shares the same multiplier, which allows players to reach score levels otherwise impossible to achieve in single player mode.


Fighters
Hawk: Wide angle fire.
Eagle: Slow speed, includes homing shot.
Robin: High speed, straight laser fire.
Grouse: Straight and mine shots.

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Originally Posted by JJT_Defender

Is this a PC download or a Arcade

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Read my post, this is an Arcade game on PC hardware similar to a Neo-Geo. The original game was made for "Taito Type-X" hardware, which is a Windows XP based arcade PCB, these games can run on any modern PC.

Also please don't post piracy links in my thread.

That is what I found on the internet Ok I will not in the future. My apologies.
Question.
1.Why did you not show the Arcade game setup that you are working with your desk top PC computer,& keyboard?
2. Why did you not show the Arcade - Giga Wing Generations PCB or is it just a Game software program from the Original game or was it uploaded or what, I do not know? That is why I am asking you sir.


Reason because people can Download many Arcade Games now. Example like The Fast and Furious, The Fast and Furious Super Cars, and use a Racing Simulator at home,rather than playing on the real arcade game in a game room. They are completely different in play. Then they are no longer a Arcade Game that is in a Cabinet. Just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Pearl2hu

Read my post, this is an Arcade game on PC hardware similar to a Neo-Geo. The original game was made for "Taito Type-X" hardware, which is a Windows XP based arcade PCB, these games can run on any modern PC.

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1.) Software from the original game, there is no PCB.
2.) The gameplay is 100% identical if using a cabinet (In this case, an astro city) or a normal PC setup, using a keyboard also has no advantages to using a stick, likewise with monitor choice or PC specs.
3.) I didnt show my PC cause frankly I just forgot lol, not like it matters too much

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Originally Posted by EVN

You guys did read the track rules right?

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I just read the track rules, and it looks like this track was incorrectly created in the "Arcade" section when it should be in the PC section.

This is clearly not an arcade machine, and saying the original runs on PC hardware is semantics.

Having said that, the TG scoreboard is getting so messed up with scores that clearly shouldn't be accepted via adjudication - so what do I care? Submit this under the Atari 5200 section if you like, it will probably still pass adjudication.

So what if this was played on a cab even tho it's the exact same game

Some good points being made here what do you think @Snowflake ?

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Originally Posted by Pearl2hu

So what if this was played on a cab even tho it's the exact same game

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So tell me, if I could find an original one of these machines, in an arcade, it would have a keyboard interface?

If the answer is no, then this clearly doesn't belong in the arcade section.

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Originally Posted by Barra

Some good points being made here what do you think @Snowflake ?

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I'm not an expert on this by any means, however, i can speak to precedent and consistency. A very simliar precedent was set here https://www.twingalaxies.com/game/po...ualifying-lap/ where mama/jrok/arcade are all allowed per track rules despite the platform being arcade.

fix it felix is in a similiar position, but those rules explicilty demand it be in an arcade, so its simliar, but in the reverse direction

I supported yes votes for john in his track, not because i agreed with the track -- i do take some issue with the track itself -- but because I dont believe its our place to judge the validity of tracks. Its our job to judge if the performance followed track rules. complaints about the track itself is admins call. If anyone thinks this entire track should be moved to a different platform or deleted, take it up with admin. i, and allen staal, have also made tracks the community took issue with, but valid performances on those tracks were accepted, since again, its not adjudicators place to judge the track, just the performance.

so i do not believe playing on a computer here is ground for reject due to the fact the track rules explicilty allow for it.

purposely making this a seperate comment as my comment here might make things worse and muddy the water, but....

i've felt for a while neo geo mvs should be its own platfom pulled out of arcade. heck, i'd be more ok with merging the mvs with aes than i am merging the mvs with arcade in general. I know pretty much nothing about the system described here, other than what i read in this thread. but could this justify a new platform altogether? maybe leave it under arcade now as a holding zone, but petition admin to give it its own platform? from what i was reading elsewhere, the community that plays these games typically allow autofire right? by giving it its own platform, you could have a bunch of platform specific global rules to override the general global rules.

Remember TG was born out of classic arcades. Alot of the rules are just plain stupid on newer stuff -- and anything after 1986 is new to tg lol. So another benefit of giving this stuff its own platform is you could have more appropriate global rules for it.

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Originally Posted by John73

So tell me, if I could find an original one of these machines, in an arcade, it would have a keyboard interface?

If the answer is no, then this clearly doesn't belong in the arcade section.

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The answer is maybe.

These taito viewlix cabs that typically house a type x have an option to mount USB ports so people can bring their own controllers to plug in. Typically this is to allow Street Fighter players who play on a joypad to BYO.

I don't know if they could plug in a keyboard but they could plug in a hitbox which is essentially a keyboard.

In theory yes, you can wire a keyboard to many cabinets such as astro city/candy cabs. As well as being able to directly plugin a USB to a taito type X machine, so yes! you *could* find one with a keyboard. Keyboard offers 0 advantage to an arcade stick, nor any disadvantage, its all personal preference.

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Originally Posted by John73

So tell me, if I could find an original one of these machines, in an arcade,

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Also, this game was never released outside of Japan nor did it have a standalone cab.

VOTING YES. The rules of the track clearly indicate that a PC can be used. Once that rule is included, then in my opinion, any requirements for an arcade PCB and any other arcade hardware requirements typically reserved for arcade submissions are non-existent. If one wants to take issue with the rule set, that's a different story, and is handled a different way than voting NO on a submission that follows the rules. As far as I see it, this submission falls within the guidelines as set forth in the rule set. Accepted.

I'm not going to rescind my YES vote, but showing power-on and/or the start-up sequence would have been optimal.

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Originally Posted by Garrett Holland

I'm not going to rescind my YES vote, but showing power-on and/or the start-up sequence would have been optimal.

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You're right, however this was from a stream and resetting takes a while and my screen capture takes a few seconds to notice the damn game is even running; so I just let myself gameover and put another credit in when I reset

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Originally Posted by Pearl2hu

Also, this game was never released outside of Japan nor did it have a standalone cab.

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It looks to me that now TG needs to go to the ridiculous measure of DEFINING what constitutes "ARCADE" WTF.

With ALL due respect, Eric, This would be a NO vote from me, on the grounds that it reeks of not being ARCADE. Regardless of the rules!!

john

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Originally Posted by lexmark

It looks to me that now TG needs to go to the ridiculous measure of DEFINING what constitutes "ARCADE" WTF.

With ALL due respect, Eric, This would be a NO vote from me, on the grounds that it reeks of not being ARCADE. Regardless of the rules!!

john

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so just to be clear, when rtm on his mame score used inconsequential but wrong settings, and redelf on his dk mame used irrelevant but wrong settings, you joined with me in saying rules are rules regardless of what "common sense" is, but now you think we should ignore rules based on our own feelings?

if its the right score for the right game and the right track, and the issue is the track itself, then cant that be handled through admin? if admin agrees, they can move/fix/rewrite whatever the track. if admin disagrees they can leave it.

either way, i very strongly feel thats admins call and not ours. Yes, I understand why you and some others may want to reject, and I and others have made clear why we think rules are rules. so perhaps the more productive area of discussion is to ask "do we have the right to ignore rules to our liking". my answer is no, but i'm open to hear reasons why you disagree

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Originally Posted by Snowflake

so just to be clear, when rtm on his mame score used inconsequential but wrong settings, and redelf on his dk mame used irrelevant but wrong settings, you joined with me in saying rules are rules regardless of what "common sense" is, but now you think we should ignore rules based on our own feelings?

if its the right score for the right game and the right track, and the issue is the track itself, then cant that be handled through admin? if admin agrees, they can move/fix/rewrite whatever the track. if admin disagrees they can leave it.

either way, i very strongly feel thats admins call and not ours. Yes, I understand why you and some others may want to reject, and I and others have made clear why we think rules are rules. so perhaps the more productive area of discussion is to ask "do we have the right to ignore rules to our liking". my answer is no, but i'm open to hear reasons why you disagree

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Thanks, Bill. The answers to what you said are, yes, no and reality isn't a picture as rosy as you paint it. Happy to discuss with you and the members IF you post a new thread where discussion won't get cut short by a adjudication success or failure. For example, this thread can't be replied to when it goes through.
Just copy and paste what you said in a new thread and I'll reply ASAP.


john
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Is the normal setup a PC? So do you say that the original cabinets do came with a PC motherboard inside?
Anyone do have the game manual of the cabinet version that was originally produced/made?

On controls: To play with original controls or not is quite a big difference when playing arcade games. Especially playing Atari consoles with original controller vs Atari EMU with a keyboard. In the Atari case the Keyboard do have advantages in quite a few games.

The main thing here is: Showing original PCB. PCB here mean original motherboard. PCB is just an acronym for "programmable circuit board. Now a pc motherboard is also a PCB. Just a growing newer version. When we refer to PCB in Arcade cabinets we mean the original computer board that the game was manufactured in the production plant when the game was released the FIRST time. Not a hacked version at home.

If no PCB is shown how do we know it not "not-MAME"?

To ADD: I do feel the track have to be fixed first. Moved. Lets do the right thing first. To move a track would not take that long and the games can then re-play and submit a continuous video with PCB. Numerous submissions were rejected because no continuous video was shown which do show the full game-play and PCB afterwards.

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Thanks, Bill. The answers to what you said are, yes, no and reality isn't a picture as rosy as you paint it. Happy to discuss with you and the members IF you post a new thread where discussion won't get cut short by a adjudication success or failure. For example, this thread can't be replied to when it goes through.
Just copy and paste what you said in a new thread and I'll reply ASAP.


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Bumpidy bump for my good friend Snowflake Bill :)


john

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Is the normal setup a PC? So do you say that the original cabinets do came with a PC motherboard inside?
Anyone do have the game manual of the cabinet version that was originally produced/made?

On controls: To play with original controls or not is quite a big difference when playing arcade games. Especially playing Atari consoles with original controller vs Atari EMU with a keyboard. In the Atari case the Keyboard do have advantages in quite a few games.

The main thing here is: Showing original PCB. PCB here mean original motherboard. PCB is just an acronym for "programmable circuit board. Now a pc motherboard is also a PCB. Just a growing newer version. When we refer to PCB in Arcade cabinets we mean the original computer board that the game was manufactured in the production plant when the game was released the FIRST time. Not a hacked version at home.

If no PCB is shown how do we know it not "not-MAME"?

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We know it is not MAME as it is not yet emulated. Personally I would feel happier if TG just created a Taito TX section as that would make whether it is played in a cabinet or not irrelevant, also I have these games so it would be something else I could submit to :)

VOTING YES!

The player followed the rules of the track to the letter. The rules themselves are what’s creating the fuss, not if we found this setup in an actual arcade. It is inconsequential for voting - we should only be determining if the player followed the rules of the track.

IMHO I think this should be in a separate category, but this should be up for the admins to decide.

All track rules were followed. Accepted.

i asked jace about cross platform stuff like this (pc and arcade) and he says thats fine, so if you're only objection is that the track is for both pc and arcade, that objection is nullified

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above screenshot taken from this wall post, as its on jace's wall no need to worry about a user deleting it https://www.twingalaxies.com/entry.p...5#comment49835

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Originally Posted by Snowflake

i asked jace about cross platform stuff like this (pc and arcade) and he says thats fine, so if you're only objection is that the track is for both pc and arcade, that objection is nullified

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above screenshot taken from this wall post, as its on jace's wall no need to worry about a user deleting it https://www.twingalaxies.com/entry.p...5#comment49835

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Given some TG rules and regulations (there aren't any) Anyone can achieve a TG world record. And I mean ANYONE.
What does that make a TG WR worth. Nothing!



john

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Originally Posted by lexmark

Given some TG rules and regulations (there aren't any) Anyone can achieve a TG world record. And I mean ANYONE.
What does that make a TG WR worth. Nothing!



john

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To be clear, I'm not specifically talking about THIS submission.

john

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Originally Posted by lexmark

Given some TG rules and regulations (there aren't any) Anyone can achieve a TG world record. And I mean ANYONE.
What does that make a TG WR worth. Nothing!



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i know right? can you believe some records have no public viewable video in the database, and worthless as those are, the so called "record" holders actually think it means something.

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i know right? can you believe some records have no public viewable video in the database, and worthless as those are, the so called "record" holders actually think it means something.

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Example please, Bill?


john

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Example please, Bill?


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well take zookeeper for example, that guy's got no proof but expects us to believe him. pre-tgsap world records man, meaningless, anyone could get them.

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well take zookeeper for example, that guy's got no proof but expects us to believe him. pre-tgsap world records man, meaningless, anyone could get them.

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OH, yeah, That old chestnut. It just still keeps on giving after 10 years. The problem, Bill, is that NO ONE doesn't believe it's not true.

Let me know if you find someone that doesn't believe it!


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Originally Posted by lexmark

OH, yeah, That old chestnut. It just still keeps on giving after 10 years. The problem, Bill, is that NO ONE doesn't believe it's not true.

Let me know if you find someone that doesn't believe it!


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eh, you werent a ref, and i highly doubt any ref liked you enough to cheat for you either, so i dont see cheating. then again, plenty of incompetant refs, so maybe you knew that and submitted a crap run to a lazy ref. who knows. without video i cant be sure.

anyway, congratulations on a score from back in the day where people could even make scores with impossible digits, back when tg records meant nothing.

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eh,

anyway, congratulations on a score from back in the day where people could even make scores with impossible digits, back when tg records meant nothing.

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You're not talking about my ZK score now, are you?

I'll say again. NO ONE doesn't believe it's not true!

Just dispute it Bill if you think it's not true. :)


BTW, many records from those days do mean something. Not saying they are all legit But they aren't all fake either!


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Originally Posted by lexmark

You're not talking about my ZK score now, are you?

I'll say again. NO ONE doesn't believe it's not true!

Just dispute it Bill if you think it's not true. :)


BTW, many records from those days do mean something. Not saying they are all legit But they aren't all fake either!


john

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ok boomer.

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Originally Posted by lexmark

BTW, many records from those days do mean something. Not saying they are all legit But they aren't all fake either!


john

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I might add, at least I have a recording of my game. Unlike the ref verified scores from funspot =no existing proof whatsoever.

john

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Holy crap guys... Can we stop this nonsense and let the man have his Giga Wing score now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A

I am abstaining for now until things are straighten out on whether this a Arcade or PC. Another thing is you Eric never showed any hardware except keyboard.

Question
1.Eric O'Brien please show the PCB /Taito Type x and your complete setup? It would take you less than 2 minutes or less to do it, really easy.

Other Twin Galaxy members have done it to, so they can see for themselves and confirm not go by word of mouth, like the saying goes, "Seeing is believing. I am sure your not hiding anything, no secrets. It be perfectly ok and Twin Galaxy members would have a better understanding of the setup of the Arcade or PC. TG members be more likely vote yes on your submission. trying to help you out

Happy Thanksgiving to all your family and friends Attachment 100319


The only thing you showed was the game play and your fingers on a keyboard left,right, up ,down Attachment 100317https://www.twingalaxies.com/attachm...6&d=1563387212


Information on the game
Arcade system Taito Type X
GigaWing Generations, released in Japan as Yokushin: GigaWing Generations (翼神 GIGAWING GENERATIONS), is a 2004 vertically scrolling shooter arcade game developed by Takumi and published by Taito on their Taito Type X arcade system board. It was ported to the PlayStation 2 console in 2005.
It is currently the last game in the Giga Wing series, and the last game developed by Takumi before they disappeared from the public.
Developer(s) Takumi Corporation
Publisher(s) Arcade version:
Taito Corporation
PS2 version:
Taito Corporation
505 Game Street
Platform(s) Arcade
PlayStation 2
Release
JP: October 2004 (arcade)
JP: 24 March 2005 (PS2)
JP: 23 February 2006 (PS2 rerelease)
EU: 3 February 2006 (PS2)
Genre(s) Vertical scrolling shooter,
Manic shooter
Mode(s) Single player, 2 player Co-op
Cabinet Upright
Arcade system Taito Type X
Display Vertically oriented

Hi, Juan! I know you are always trying to be helpful, and most of us appreciate that! However, when you say ...

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Originally Posted by JJT_Defender

I am abstaining for now until things are straighten out on whether this a Arcade or PC. Another thing is you Eric never showed any hardware except keyboard.

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.... when *this* is indicated within the ruleset ...

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... You may play this on a cabinet or a PC with an input method of your choice ...

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... and *this* has been indicated in prior comments within this submission's discussion thread ...

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Originally Posted by Pearl2hu

... this is the Arcade version of the game ... The game ... doesn't have a real PCB as it's a Taito Type-X game, meaning it uses PC hardware similar to a Neo-Geo.

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... as well as *this* ...

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Originally Posted by Pearl2hu

... this is an Arcade game on PC hardware similar to a Neo-Geo. The original game was made for "Taito Type-X" hardware, which is a Windows XP based arcade PCB, these games can run on any modern PC.

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... and Snowflake reminded that ...

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A very simliar precedent was set here https://www.twingalaxies.com/game/po...ualifying-lap/ where mama/jrok/arcade are all allowed per track rules despite the platform being arcade.

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... and that ...

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... the track rules explicilty allow for it.

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This game (Giga Wing Generations) was apparently developed on an arcade game system (Taito X) that uses PC architecture, and therefore, no dip switches or PCBs with ROMs exist for anyone to see ... ever ... on any Giga Wing Generations game or any other Taito X game for that matter. The only difference between what Eric shows and what someone who played this game in an arcade on a cabinet would show is that there is a wooden box around the PC that's running the game. A wooden box as the only difference should not warrant a reject, no matter *which* classification this track falls under. As far as using a keyboard, the rules specifically allow "PC", so which kind of controls would one expect a gamer to use if not a PC keyboard?

If someone wants to petition TG to move this track to a different category other than "arcade", then that is fine, but that is a different situation and a submission thread is an inappropriate forum to be petitioning as much. This player followed all of the rules. If one doesn't like the rules, we have remedies for that, and I'm sure @SincerelyFranny would love to hear it. LOL!

Hope this helps clarify a few things, Juan ;)

Cheers!

Garrett correction I was abstaining not rejecting,

Taito Type X is a arcade system board
Here is what I found on wiki and a capture picture to. Attachment 100345Attachment 100344

Question to you Eric O'Brien.
1. Do you mind showing your Taito Type X arcade system board setup?


That was never answered ,I hope it is not a problem, your choice Eric of course.


I am sure that a few Twin Galaxy members would like to see it to, this is completely new to me and some TG members

Accepted!!

Eric O'Brien that never showed nothing except your fingers on a pad from a PC keyboard.
Please show your setup of the Taito Type X arcade system board & explain it on a video I be glad to Vote Yes



You are the first Submitter of a Arcade game submission never showing either the Game cabinet , Hardware, Rom's, Dip switch settings, Game Setups Joystick,

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Originally Posted by JJT_Defender

You are the first Submitter of a Arcade game submission never showing either the Game cabinet , Hardware, Rom's, Dip switch settings, Game Setups Joystick,

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Read the track rules, he doesn't have to!

This not Arcade ,a different Platform like PC yes but only showing fingers on a keypad,does not prove it belongs in ARCADE PLATFORM.

EVN: Read the track rules, he doesn't have to!
You are clearly wrong on this EVN

The official Twin Galaxy Rules state You may play this on a cabinet or a PC with an input method of your choice.

It never says you do not have show it, all Arcade submission that I have Adjudicated showed there setup, especially when it was not in a Arcade Cabinet, & not using standard arcade control panel only using their Joystick.

also,Eric never showed the PC or Cabinet just a hand on the keypad on a keyboard. What is Eric O'Brien hiding, it is just video game setup is nothing to worry about, he is not disclosing any secrets.

It seems that falls in that category, reason for that it to let Twin Galaxy members have a better understanding of video game setup not to be confused, there many TG member that know nothing of this, then Eric O'brien is assuming that they do & accept his word ,without explaining or showing the setup, I never seen anything in the arcades or heard anything about this, how do you expect every TG member to.

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You are the first Submitter of a Arcade game submission never showing either the Game cabinet , Hardware, Rom's, Dip switch settings, Game Setups Joystick,






Rules
Life Stock : 2
Bomb Stock : 2
You may use either of the 4 available ships.
This is a Single Player only track, however 1P side or 2P side can be used at your choice.

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You are the first Submitter of a Arcade game submission never showing either the Game cabinet , Hardware, Rom's, Dip switch settings, Game Setups Joystick,

EVN: Read the track rules, he doesn't have to!
You may play this on a cabinet or a PC with an input method of your choice.

You may also record the screen with direct capture, a program like OBS/Fraps, or a physical camera, whichever is available to you; as long as the quality is sufficientThe game must run at full speed at nearly all times.No continues allowed, one credit only.

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Originally Posted by EVN

Read the track rules, he doesn't have to!

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pearl just submit a screenshot of your pc. it proves nothing but it'll shut jjt up.

But leaves huge question for Twin Galaxy members, is this a ARCADE or PC? What VIDEO GAME PLATFORM does it belong to?
by snowflake:
Today, 05:49 PM

pearl just submit a screenshot of your pc. it proves nothing but it'll shut jjt up.

vote for rtm
https://www.twingalaxies.com/marcade/wall/7513/2019-peer-choice-awards

I tried the link William Rosa TG handle snowflake this is what I get.
But leaves huge question for Twin Galaxy members is a ARCADE or PC? What VIDEO GAME PLATFORM does it belong to?

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yeah i dont know whats wrong to tg, the link is to the players choice awards. i guess search marcade's wall

as for whether he played it on arcade or pc, it doesnt matter, either is allowed. so once he shows you a picture of pc, and you get to see the pc shell you'll have your precious photo and we can all move on with our lives

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Originally Posted by JJT_Defender

This not Arcade ,a different Platform like PC yes but only showing fingers on a keypad,does not prove it belongs in ARCADE PLATFORM.

EVN: Read the track rules, he doesn't have to!
You are clearly wrong on this EVN

The official Twin Galaxy Rules state You may play this on a cabinet or a PC with an input method of your choice.

It never says you do not have show it, all Arcade submission that I have Adjudicated showed there setup, especially when it was not in a Arcade Cabinet, & not using standard arcade control panel only using their Joystick.

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Firstly, track rules trump global rules and this track says you may direct capture your performance if you want to.

Secondly, the global rules do not state that you *must* show the hardware anyway.

Thirdly, the global rules state that you must play on original hardware but the track rules here say you can play on a PC.

So explain to me how I am "clearly wrong" seems like you haven't read or understood the track rules.

Voting yes after reading the comments and watching the video. Some of you folks don't know much about arcades as you think you do.

This should be under PC or MAME or anything other than ARCADE...this isn't a CABINET or a Board from a Cabinet.....SMH if this goes through but as of right now

VOTE = NO

Your SCORE is LEGIT but SUBMISSION is NOT

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Originally Posted by 1CreditCrusader

This should be under PC or MAME or anything other than ARCADE...this isn't a CABINET or a Board from a Cabinet.....SMH if this goes through but as of right now

VOTE = NO

Your SCORE is LEGIT but SUBMISSION is NOT

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So what you're saying is this should be shoved into a category that it's LESS appropriate for because it's being played on a PC outside of an arcade cabinet instead of a PC inside an arcade cabinet? And that it should be rejected because you disagree with the track rules even though the submission complies with them?

This is just as legit as any arcade game played with a supergun.

An arcade platform that is just a game on a PC seems to have broken many people.

I dont think you understand mine and prob the others logic on VOTING NO.

This submission is EMULATION of an Arcade Game....Not REAL HARDWARE..It is not a PCB Arcade Board
Now His score is LEGIT and with his Gameplay. But it needs to go Into the PC side of submission bc ARCADE is meant for REAL HARDWARE.

Let me ask you this...Why cant I upload a MAME Rom Gameplay into Arcade??? BC its not REAL HARDWARE and Its not a CABINET! Thats what ARCADE is!

Thats why I voted no! Im not trolling nor trying to be a Butthead. Its just what I believe in. The ARCADE Section should only be reserve for real hardware. Thats why there is a MAME section. It breaks the boundry of EMULATION and REAL HARDWARE...Now I wish they would make the same for all the retro consoles.

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Originally Posted by 1CreditCrusader

I dont think you understand mine and prob the others logic on VOTING NO.

This submission is EMULATION of an Arcade Game....

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It's you who doesn't understand I'm afraid. What is a Taito Type X? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taito_Type_X

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The arcade board in this instance *is* a PC.

this score is in limbo because people cant read

I guess we spell it out again for people who don't read.

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Voting YES. This run has a handcam, thus the Gameplay is verifiable and the hardware used follows the rules of the track.

I can read the track rules! And thank you for posting the tech info on the game. Track Rules were created by someone that probably doesn't have the real board to this game. So they made that track rule in their favor.

My biggest arguement here is that the "Arcade" submission section should only be capture from a real arcade board and not PC processed games. Then why don't we submit "MAME" runs in "Arcade"?

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Originally Posted by EVN

It's you who doesn't understand I'm afraid. What is a Taito Type X? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taito_Type_X

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The arcade board in this instance *is* a PC.

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I will reiterate that arcade machines don't always have "boards" but have pc components instead. They are a ***** to fix in comparison to boards but they are both considered arcades.

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Originally Posted by 1CreditCrusader

I can read the track rules! And thank you for posting the tech info on the game. Track Rules were created by someone that probably doesn't have the real board to this game. So they made that track rule in their favor.
My biggest arguement here is that the "Arcade" submission section should only be capture from a real arcade board and not PC processed games. Then why don't we submit "MAME" runs in "Arcade"?

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because mame is an emulator

Yes MAME is emulation which I get. Emuation of a Arcade ROM through Software on a PC.

But are you using the TATITO's PC Board? or your own computer?

I have i7 and 2070 Super with 64GB of RAM all on a GIGABYTE motherboard but its not the TAITO's MotherBoard/Arcade Board and thats my complaint with I belive this should be in the PC Genre thats all. In order to post in Arcade you would have to have the Taito Board with the Game on it.

Your SCORE is LEGIT and I'm not arguing that at all!

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Originally Posted by 1CreditCrusader

I can read the track rules! And thank you for posting the tech info on the game. Track Rules were created by someone that probably doesn't have the real board to this game. So they made that track rule in their favor.

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Yes, that's how track creation works, welcome to TG! @Pearl2hu made a track with rules that he wrote and paid to fund it with his submission points to create it.

What you are missing here is that track rules override global rules.

If you want to make a track subject to the global rules where an original Taito Type X system and Arcade controls are required, you are free to do so!