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09-14-2021 at 02:50 AM
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A kind of blind voting?

I just lost cred for voting Yes on this submission:
https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/236478

Barthax commented that a submitters time was wrong.
The thing is ,the time wasnt wrong, the submitter had it right. Barthax must have misread it.

Unless there's something Im missing adjudicators, I assume, simply read Barthax's comment and voted No rather then watching the video themselves.

To my knowledge there is no way to challenge a rejection, so I guess those cred points I lost are just gone now.

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  1. lexmark's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by rotunda



    . It's like doing an hours worth of work and being told you aren't getting paid for that,

    It's worst than that. It's actually like doing an hours work for someone then YOU have to pay THEM.

    Anyway stop your complaining and get on with it, it's only cred points.

    To put this into perspective, yesterday I wanted another beer, but there wasn't any left in the fridge. Now that WAS disappointing :)


    john


    .

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  2. Ragequit's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by TWIN GALAXIES

    A submission that has been rejected by TGSAP can not be disputed. The submission can only be re-submitted to the TGSAP system to attempt to pass again.

    Can you at least tell us why the submission was rejected or are you admitting that the rejection was an error?
  3. rotunda's Avatar

    First it was Ryans submissions, then this, now this: https://www.twingalaxies.com/lauren-r-tyler/wall/9794/huge-penalty-to-my-credibility

    People are going to get real sick of this adjudicating quick at this rate.

  4. 321Tieguy's Avatar

    Kirk, I believe TG was speaking in a general sense for all submissions, in terms of the way the site is currently coded.


    I mentioned it in another thread, but I dont believe Ryan's PAL submissions being approved was a result of blind voting, rather lack of knowledge. That being said, I do believe its possible that some people vote based on what others comment, and I would be cautious of that.


    Lastly, Credibility is not the high score you seek. Thats what games are for. Vote how you feel best, and let God (or the Dispute process) sort em out at the end of the day.




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  5. rotunda's Avatar

    I mentioned it in another thread, but I dont believe Ryan's PAL submissions being approved was a result of blind voting, rather lack of knowledge. That being said, I do believe its possible that some people vote based on what others comment, and I would be cautious of that.

    On that note...

    I welcome everyone to check out this and educate yourselves on NTSC on PAL hardware and vise versa.

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/rotunda/wall/9796/real-ntsc-vs-pal-ntsc-analysis

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  6. stella_blue's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by TWIN GALAXIES

    A submission that has been rejected by TGSAP can not be disputed. The submission can only be re-submitted to the TGSAP system to attempt to pass again.


    With all due respect, the above response is pretty weak.

    The following submission was rejected in error, and adjudicators who voted to accept were unfairly penalized:

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/236478

    I understand that mistakes happen, but TG's apparent unwillingness to take corrective action is particularly disappointing. I view it as a serious blunder, indicative of laziness and/or indifference.

    For the record, I did not vote on the original submission. Had I voted "Yes", I would have been slapped with a CR penalty of more than 1600 points, so I can empathize with those voters who are justifiably outraged.

    Come on, guys. Do the right thing.

    By the way, the rejected item was re-submitted on September 15th. As of this moment, it has been sitting in the queue for 10 days. Does it come as a surprise that a number of voters are steering clear of it, wary of biting the same poisoned apple twice?


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  7. Snowflake's Avatar

    i forgot about this, saw the thread while banned. This is one of those things where valid points are made and are correct in isolation but put together lead to an unfair/incorrect solution

    i get tg cant overrule a reject, rightfullly so, at that point tg would be effectively approving scores and we're back to refs. also its a harder job for tg. disputing an accepted score, well its easier to prove a mistake, you just have to point to the error for tg to be sure to remove, but to dispute a reject, you have to prove there were no other errors.

    i also get scores can be resubmitted so the scoreboard itself isnt hurt (well unless you consider having credibility be incorrect, resulting in the less accurate voters having more power to be a threat to long term scoreboard integrity)

    even still, seems like there should be some recourse. people blind accept way more than blind reject, so i would imagine theres very cases like this TG has to look into, and therefore TG could presumably find the time to do it. i'm hesitant to come up with a creative solution and get bogged down arguing the details, but surely it can be seen that a solution is needed.

  8. Snowflake's Avatar

    as a seperate comment for possible solutions

    change the algorith so accepts can still be fast, but rejects take longer.

    allow dispute of rejected scores, but put guards in place to stop abuse, perhaps the submitter cant appeal his/her own score, perhaps raise the cred requirements for such disputes, raise the number of votes needed, demand the score be resubmitted and approved before tg will look over the prior wrong reject....

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  9. Rogerpoco's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

    as a seperate comment for possible solutions

    change the algorith so accepts can still be fast, but rejects take longer.

    allow dispute of rejected scores, but put guards in place to stop abuse, perhaps the submitter cant appeal his/her own score, perhaps raise the cred requirements for such disputes, raise the number of votes needed, demand the score be resubmitted and approved before tg will look over the prior wrong reject....


    WTH is an Algorith?

    Doesn't work w/o the M, Man...

    :P

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  10. Snowflake's Avatar

    and we're on to the details now.

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